00:00 <wpwrak> not if you look at catch 22 as a means to prevent change :)

00:00 <wpwrak> "you must be sane to be allowed to leave, but if you were sane, you wouldn't be here"

01:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds about right

01:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if Rigol scope runs sth like a VNCserver

06:07 <roh> .s

06:09 <whitequark> wpwrak: not a ban

06:09 <whitequark> the law makes it legal to forbid such people from getting a license

06:09 <whitequark> i.e. it is at discretion of the doctor

06:09 <whitequark> will likely be used for selective enforcement

06:12 <wpwrak> so at the level of that law it sounds pretty harmless. i would kinda expect to find such things everywhere.

06:13 <wpwrak> and yes, selective enforcement is of course an issue. again, everywhere ...

06:14 <whitequark> russia has a history of punitive psychiatry...

06:14 <whitequark> so, no, I do not see it as harmless

06:14 <whitequark> not to mention the timing of the law

06:16 <wpwrak> (harmless) i mean that you probably have a provision in any country that you can be declared unfit to drive for medical conditions

06:16 <wpwrak> if it's not some blanket "for whatever reason" (to be defined by some rules governed my the entity in charge of administering licenses)

06:17 <whitequark> depends on context. I mean, there always was a provision that you can't drive if you're blind or can't use the controls

06:17 <whitequark> however, adding a provision on "behavioral disorders" right in the middle of crackdown on lgbt is uh

06:18 <wpwrak> at least insensitive :)

06:18 <mth> the message seems to be that if you don't conform to the norm, they want you to keep your mouth shut about it

06:19 <whitequark> of course

06:21 <wpwrak> luckily, in the free world, we regularly share our most intimate details, especially those of a sexual nature, with the world at large and only experience friendly acceptance and support ;-)

06:23 <wpwrak> the difference seems to be more along the lines of people in .ru staying in their closets because they fear bad things will happen while people in other countries stay in their closets because they fear bad things may happen

06:23 <wpwrak> (for whatever the closet may be)

06:29 <mth> there are different meanings to "sexual"... setting orientation to "gay" in a profile is not the same as posting bedroom videos

06:29 <mth> but in either case, I don't think it's any business of the state

06:30 <whitequark> ^

06:30 <whitequark> note that the russian state does not actually care, it needs a scapegoat

06:30 <wpwrak> i'd agree with that. but it seems they just copied their list of problematic conditions from the WHO. they may not even have paid much attention to the details.

06:31 <wpwrak> (or maybe it's just included by reference)

06:31 <mth> my guess is they just quoted the WHO as a "look, we didn't make this up" excuse

06:31 <whitequark> slipping something problematic hidden in a larger packet of law is a very common tactic

06:32 <wpwrak> i.e., i can easily see how you end up with this constellation if all you want is to say that driving licenses can be denied if 1) the applicant suffers a recognized medical condition and 2) a doctor says it's bad enough to be a reason to not let that person drive.

06:33 <whitequark> frankly, I don't care whether the intent was malicious or not. the result *will* be used maliciously, as evident from, say, how it happens in USA

06:33 <whitequark> where similar laws *are* selectively enforced against even the same groups

06:34 <whitequark> lack of knowledge of law does not absolve you of responsibility. then how lack of understanding of consequences absolves the lawmaker from it?

06:34 <wpwrak> yeah, it's probably not the most clever law. i wonder if the lawmakers went "oops" after they realized the implications.

06:34 <wpwrak> hehe ;-)

06:34 <whitequark> "oops"? more like "yay"

06:35 <wpwrak> hehe :)

06:35 <whitequark> I'm not being sarcastic, transphobic and proud of it MPs are abundant

06:41 <wpwrak> perhaps a general lack of neutral viewpoint in those folks ?

06:44 <wpwrak> of course, kant would approve :) "if you don't like someone's idiosyncrasies, then there should be a universal law against them"

06:50 <wpwrak> but i guess such things will even themselves out in a couple of generations if russia can avoid any major societal upset for that long

06:51 <wpwrak> an aggressive stance against minorities is quite typical in societies that have a recent history of distress

06:54 <wpwrak> where "minorities" is any kind of "outlier" perceived as negative. of course, the definition of "negative" can vary

06:55 <wpwrak> e.g., in russia it's probably quite okay to be a flamboyant atheist. now try that in the caliphate ...

08:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: gui_canvas.c (key_press_event): make / rotate through packages as well (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5fdea0e

08:59 <kyak> despite all, the title couldn't be more yellow

08:59 <kyak> of course, they had to mention putin

09:06 <kyak> frankly, the more western media/politics bash Putin _personally_, the more support he will get in Russia

09:07 <kyak> i don't know if this is a pecularity of russians or if the same psyhologically will work in any other country

09:16 <larsc> and he probably knows that

09:21 <viric> it's a bit similar with president Mas in Catalonia

09:22 <viric> a right wing man that never was pro-independence, until last elections. He managed to convince enough people, and Spanish media proclaim everywhere that "Mas is the messiah of independence"

09:23 <viric> while Mas has always been the major ballast in the independence movement.

09:24 <viric> As the Spaniards attack Mas personally, he gets more support from the pro-independence, while he is the ballast towards independence.

09:24 <wpwrak> hmm, principal monitor going into suspend all the time. interestingly, another monitor on the same card doesn't. but i think the card is still trying to tell me something there ... like, that's it's envious of the recent retirement of its long-time neighbour.

09:27 <kyak> wpwrak: does it going suspend correlate with political discussions on this channel? :)

09:27 <wpwrak> hmm. now that you mention it. maybe it got some separatist ideas ...

09:33 <kyak> your monitor is corrupted, you should through it away. Or, and your video card, too

09:34 <kyak> shit, you just started loving them even more..!

09:47 <viric> :)

16:47 <larsc> hm, I'm thinking that the TCU thingy is a CPU bug

16:48 <larsc> or compiler

16:48 <larsc> This is what the clockevent IRQ handler looks like https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/mips/jz4740/time.c#n46

16:48 <larsc> notice the jz4740_timer_disable() if the mode is not periodic

16:49 <larsc> if I remove that the timer does not get disabled when the watchdog is enabled

16:49 <larsc> but if I replace the disable() with a printk I never see the printk either

16:50 <larsc> putting some random other instructions before or after the disable also fixes the bug

16:51 <larsc> and the bug only happens if TIMER_CLOCKEVENT is 0

16:52 <larsc> the asm http://pastebin.com/3fgSC28h

16:59 <larsc> yep, that's a compiler bug

17:00 <pcercuei> :/

17:01 <larsc> It always writes to JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR

17:01 <larsc> if mode is != CLOCK_EVT_MODE_PERIODIC

17:01 <larsc> it reads the current value from the register

17:01 <larsc> and then writes it back

17:01 <larsc> thing is the register is not readable

17:01 <larsc> and reading it will return garbage

17:02 <larsc> I guess it aliases with the WATCHDOG enable register

17:02 <larsc> since the bug only happens when the watchdog is enabled

17:02 <larsc> so it reads back 1 and writes 1 to the register and hence disables the TCU0

17:03 <larsc> screw you gcc!

17:03 <wpwrak> seems that it's gcc who's doing the screwing this time :)

17:03 <wpwrak> and not on itself :)

17:05 <larsc> basically what the asm translates to is

17:05 <larsc> val = readb(JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR); if (cd->mode == CLOCK_EVT_MODE_PERIODIC) val = 1; writeb(val, JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR);

17:06 <mth> which version of GCC are you using?

17:06 <larsc> '(OpenWrt/Linaro GCC 4.6-2012.12 r37492) 4.6.4'

17:10 <mth> if you have a minimal test case, I can compile it on 4.9.1 to check whether the issue still exists

17:11 <mth> actually 4.9.2 is out, but I haven't built that yet

17:19 <larsc> http://pastebin.com/zH2enADr with -O2

17:21 <mth> larsc: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/clockbug.s

17:23 <larsc> your webserver does not respond

17:24 <mth> fixed

17:25 <larsc> looks better

17:25 <larsc> no ldu

17:27 <larsc> Guess it's time to update the toolchain

17:34 <pcercuei> that explains why you had problems with the watchdog driver that we didn't have

17:35 <larsc> yep

17:52 <larsc> 4.8 looks like it works

17:54 <larsc> oh no, started make -j and forgot the number

18:04 <pcercuei> :D

18:05 <larsc> looks like it's not coming back to life

18:10 <wpwrak> victory ! low-cost solution: find a DVD-D cable to use my one spare DVI port instead of the failing VGA

18:11 <larsc> DVD-D?

18:11 <wpwrak> err, DVI-D

18:11 <wpwrak> why can't they choose less freudian acronyms ?

18:43 <wpwrak> thanks to the internet of things, we'll soon be able to have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ

22:31 <DocScrutinizer05> pcercuei: ((neo-nazi demonstrations like in the east of Germany)) last PEGIDA in Dresden, iirc 16k. Today: 35k *against* PEGIDA

22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: this doesn'T already spound like compiler bug. Rather I'd check my macros. They might implement bitset/bitclear on a register by readback of the register and (re)setting the bit in "Accumulator", then write back to register. That's how such stuff usually is implemented, either on opcode level or on macro level or on level of the uppermost sourcecode. And obviously that's BAD[TM] when the register is write-only

22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> s/spou/sou/

22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you regularly need a shadow variable mirroring the content of w/o register, do all the bit-toggling on this variable, and after each change write the var to the register

22:44 <eintopf> wpwrak: I already thought about connecting my toilet flush into the IPv6 world

22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: even when the compiler uses a read-modify-write opcode for the write-only register (which obviously is illegal and an according note would show up in manual about that w/o register), it's not the compiler's fault. You need to tell the compiler about the very special case that this particular register is not readable. By whatever means, worst case by using inline assembler

23:14 <eintopf> the use case would be: you sitting on the toilet (you know it will take longer) sometimes you need the toilet flush and turn around.

23:14 <eintopf> With smartphone in your hand you can push a big button :)

23:14 <eintopf> instead of turning around and search the flush key

23:15 <eintopf> s/you need the toilet/you need to hit the toilet/