<whitequark>
that actually looks like a project which makes sense
<kristianpaul>
ah yes from chumby creator
<kristianpaul>
no?
<kristianpaul>
looks a bit dense board, where is the soc? :)
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<pcercuei>
two ethernet sockets for a laptop?
<whitequark>
it doubles as a router :D
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<wpwrak_>
a freescale cpu. they seem to be the nicest around.
<larsc>
a Zynq would probably been a better choice
<larsc>
ah, ok the freescale is quadcore
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<whitequark>
wpwrak_: is that sarcasm? :)
<wpwrak_>
whitequark: do you dislike freescale ?
<derRichard>
wpwrak_: have you ever worked with a freescale bsp? (e.g porting it to a recent kernel version)
<wpwrak_>
no. and i'd try to avoid anyone's bsp for that matter :)
<wpwrak_>
BSP is for bovine sewage programming, isn't it ?
<larsc>
most of the stuff is upstream now anyway
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<wpwrak_>
yeah. i poked around a while ago and things look quite friendly in the kernel. sometimes a bit hard to find, but everything i looked for was there.
<larsc>
I think the imx6 support was even contributed by freescale
<wpwrak_>
even better. any sort of garbage can get in a vendor's bsp, but try this with the linux kernel and get torn to pieces. tough QA is a good thing to have :)
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<larsc>
yea, my job would be a lot easier if I could just commit stuff ;)
<larsc>
although a major portion of that comes from Xilinx's vendor tree
<wpwrak_>
seems that you have a bit of cleaning up and submitting to do ;-)
<larsc>
wpwrak_: my co-worker ;)
<wpwrak_>
it's good to have minions :)
<larsc>
well he's my boss
<wpwrak_>
but he gets to do the janitorial work. seems that you have something similar to a cat-"owner" relationship :)
<larsc>
well it's his code
<whitequark>
(cat-"owner") hehe
<whitequark>
that evokes some strange mental images
<whitequark>
(freescale) I heard they were not particularly FOSS-friendly
<whitequark>
but glad to hear that's not the case
<wpwrak_>
544 (minus xilinx) files changed by one person. quite productive that man.
<wpwrak_>
whitequark: from what i hear, they're among the most foss-friendly. lots of people who want a small soc that runs linux pick their i.MX series
<larsc>
I've heard that Intel has one team which is working on writing drivers and another team working on upstreaming those drivers
<wpwrak_>
not sure about graphics, though.
<whitequark>
wpwrak_: well, graphics is a lost cause for practically every vendor
<whitequark>
isn't it
<larsc>
which is imo kind of stupid, because those who write the drivers are doomed to repeat their mistakes over and over again
<wpwrak_>
larsc: there must be tense moments when they meet in the cafeteria :)
<wpwrak_>
and the others get to introduce their own bugs on the way ...
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<wpwrak_>
but yes, those who know how to make things submission-clean should rather teach, not fix
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<wpwrak_>
whitequark: yeah, lots of troublesome stuff. mali seems to partially good, though. but i think their next generation will be closed, too.
<whitequark>
wpwrak_: I don't think the present one is open?
<wpwrak_>
that's why i rather enjoy reading about intel's progress with their atoms. intel are generally very nice.
<whitequark>
from what I understood about mali, mali-200/400 have a particularly sane internal architecture (they exist!), which allowed some folks to reverse-engineer it rather easily
<wpwrak_>
could be that it's closed-but-reversed, yes.
<whitequark>
I'm pretty sure it is:) ARM even brought a lawsuit to the Lima group, or tried to
<wpwrak_>
i never had to get to the bottom of this, so i only have fuzzy knowledge :)
<wpwrak_>
yeah, arm aren't very open-minded
<whitequark>
you are being kind to arm
<wpwrak_>
it's kinda ironic that so many open projects are based on arm
<whitequark>
well, it's not like FR4 or SMT passive components are open-source either
<wpwrak_>
yes, but all those things are thoroughly commoditized
<larsc>
wpwrak_: it's kinda irnoic that ARM sells so many licenses because of open source projects
<wpwrak_>
yeah :)
<larsc>
without Linux they probably wouldn't be where they are today
<wpwrak_>
no linux, no android, well, they may still have apple
<larsc>
and window phone ;)
<wpwrak_>
and of course, they'd be just one of many in the embedded market
<wpwrak_>
you shouldn't mock the dead :)
<larsc>
well they might be alive in that alternate universe
<roh>
a soc vendor who sues coders is loony anyhow
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