#pypy on 2020-08-29 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2019-08-29 19:33 cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin

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00:56 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5477 [default]

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01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/8320 [py3.6]

01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-aarch64/builds/591 [py3.6]

01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/7211 [py3.6]

01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-32/builds/5971 [py3.6]

01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-macosx-x86-64/builds/5165 [py3.6]

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01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5478 [py3.6]

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01:45 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-aarch64/builds/608 [default]

01:45 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-aarch64/builds/609 [py3.6]

01:57 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/8320 [py3.6]

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02:06 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/7211 [py3.6]

02:17 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/7157 [py3.6]

02:18 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-32/builds/5971 [py3.6]

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03:10 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5478 [py3.6]

03:33 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-macosx-x86-64/builds/5165 [py3.6]

03:55 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-aarch64/builds/591 [py3.6]

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05:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/3019 [default]

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06:50 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-aarch64/builds/609 [py3.6]

07:11 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/3019 [default]

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14:42 <ebarrett> i'm updating the OpenBSD port and build_cffi_imports.py has gone

14:42 <ebarrett> do I need to do anything special to generate the cffi shared objects?

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14:47 <mattip> ebarrett: it moved to pypy_tools

14:48 <ebarrett> ah

14:48 <ebarrett> mattip: separate repo?

14:49 <ebarrett> ah, lib_pypy/tools

14:49 <ebarrett> thanks

14:49 <mattip> no, just moved to lib_pypy/pypy_tools

14:50 <ebarrett> found it :)

14:50 <mattip> the “import tools” was too generic

14:50 <mattip> and tripped up downstream projects

14:50 <ebarrett> ah, yes

14:51 <mattip> it should be in the upcoming release notes

14:51 <ebarrett> hey, I also had a user (for some reason) email me asking what PyPy will do when python2.7 is no longer maintained

14:51 <ebarrett> are you guys going to maintain it just enough to bootstrap pypy?

14:52 <mattip> https://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/release-v7.3.2.html#changelog

14:53 <mattip> probably transition to using only pypy2.7

14:53 <ebarrett> won't you lose the ability to bootstrap pypy2.7 from scratch?

14:54 <mattip> even a c compiler needs a c compiler to bootstrap

14:54 <ebarrett> well, yeah, but C is ubiquitous

14:56 <mattip> so this seems like a theological argument: today you need cpython to bootstrap, maybe at some point you will need pypy

14:56 <ebarrett> i worry that platforms without ABI backward-compat would lose pypy

14:56 <ebarrett> ah the joy of bootstrapping :)

14:57 <mattip> so they can download cpython 2.7.15 from source

14:57 <mattip> what platform worries you?

14:58 <ebarrett> well, openbsd has no abi compatibility between versions for example

14:58 <mattip> anyway a new architecture needs porting

14:58 <ebarrett> i guess you have the ability to copy to generated C

15:02 <mattip> a translation does not make deep demands from the OS

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18:37 <mattip> could someone tweet the latest blog post?

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