cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin
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<novae>
Is it just a speed difference between cython and pypy so that each thread is completing before the next one is started maybe?
<novae>
Nope, don't think it's that as pypy still gives a 'clean' sequence if every thread sleeps for 1 second after starting
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<novae>
s/cython/cpython/
<mattip>
novae: are you asking if PyPy guarantees that print('abc', end='.') will never split it into two system calls, the answer is "no"
<mattip>
when printing in threads you should always create the output string and then print it in one go
<novae>
mattip: Yeah, I guess that's what I'm asking. I was just surprised that in this example pypy never splits the output of the string and the terminator while cpython splits it >50% of the time all things being equal.
<mattip>
"never" for this output configuration. Try "-u" or redirect to a file, or run on a different OS, things may change
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<mattip>
I wonder what is easier/better: tryng to locate and link with libffi.a on macOS or doing like cpython and compiling from source
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<dholth>
How's the 3.7 branch
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<dholth>
I'm seeing if I can turn uwsgi into a pypy + asgi server using asyncio and greenlets. Seems to work. But the Quart asgi framework is 3.7+. Looks like starlette will work.
<dholth>
greenlets are too cool once you conceptualize them. Still trying to think inside-out.
<cfbolz>
dholth: depends a bit on which 3.7 features it uses
<cfbolz>
the 3.7 branch is getting there slowly. big missing parts are some new re module features, and some in ssl
<dholth>
seems to be annotations
<dholth>
that's the first noticable one anyway.
<cfbolz>
that should work
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<mattip>
cfbolz: ssl is getting close. The test runs to completion, there are 6 out of 151 failures
<mattip>
on linux64, we haven't tried macos or win32 yet