#pypy on 2018-09-26 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2018-02-26 15:52 cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/pypy/ ) | use cffi for calling C | the secret reason for us trying to get PyPy users: to test the JIT well enough that we're somewhat confident about it

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01:00 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-macosx-x86-64/builds/3986 [py3.5]

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04:43 <mattip> the py3.6 linux32 build error http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-32/builds/4835/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio

04:43 <mattip> seems wrong

04:44 <mattip> on python3, print(stderr.decode('utf-8')) should just be print(stderr) since stderr is not necessarily utf8, right?

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04:45 <mattip> that comes from pypy/tool/build_cffi_imports.py, but may appear elsewhere in the code

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07:32 <arigato> mattip: hi

07:32 <arigato> yes that seems wrong

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07:33 <arigato> I have no confidence that "print(stderr)" is right

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07:38 <arigato> no, it is definitely wrong: in Python3, "print(mybytes)" is unhelpfully equivalent to "print(repr(mybytes))"

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08:49 <krono> hi

08:50 <krono> are segfaults that correlate with high recursion limit worth reporting?

08:51 <arigato> krono: hi! yes, "probably"

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08:51 <arigato> ah

08:51 <arigato> not if you manually set sys.setrecursionlimit() to improbably high values and then get segfaults

08:52 <krono> I thought so

08:53 <krono> arigato: while you're here, One question from yesterday

08:53 <arigato> if you really want that, then you might have some OS-specific way to increase the stack limit

08:53 <arigato> sure

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08:53 <krono> yea no, its a test that blows during coverage, so I just skip that

08:54 <krono> so the translator seems to be unhappy with an @elidable function of mine which essentially looks up in a dict and returns None on not found:

08:54 <krono> https://bitbucket.org/krono/lamb/src/81cdc3c536e90c22eed4f11134e3bc42bd7f68a5/lamb/execution.py#lines-223

08:54 <krono> the error is https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gMFO3AKK/

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08:55 <arigato> hum, it's only a safety check that an @elidable function doesn't return only None

08:56 <arigato> maybe your Toplevel.bindings attribute is always empty

08:57 <krono> well no only sometimes

08:57 <arigato> you can't successfully translate if that translation sees .bindings to be always empty

08:58 <arigato> it's another instance of a general problem we have with RPython

08:58 <krono> yea

08:58 <krono> I worked around with a custom "not found" object

08:59 <krono> but it _used_ to work, 2..3 years back ;)

08:59 <arigato> you can also add hacks and keep None:

09:00 <arigato> def get(self, name):

09:00 <arigato> if NonConstant(False):

09:00 <arigato> return SomeExampleOfWhatCouldBeReturned()

09:00 <krono> ok,

09:01 <krono> yea i think I'll stick with the custom object for now.

09:01 <arigato> :-)

09:01 <krono> just for reference, raising something there through the elidable is probably a worse idea, right?

09:02 <arigato> it depends on your goals. if a elidable raises, then it's not considered elidable and will be called again every time

09:02 <krono> ok, confirmed my suspicion :) thanks again.

09:02 <arigato> i.e. if a particular call raises when the jit looks at it, then the jit will keep this particular call in the code

09:03 <krono> its good to be here

09:03 <krono> *again

09:03 <arigato> :-)

09:05 <krono> gotta run, back soon

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10:53 <njs> just got a core dump while running some ssl stress tests on pypy36 nightly: https://travis-ci.org/python-trio/trio/jobs/433409577

10:54 <njs> that's literally all I know so I guess there's no point in filing a bug yet, but figured I'd mention it in case any pattern starts emerging

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10:57 <njs> oh hmm, actually it looks like first pytest-faulthandler fired, and then it segfaulted

10:58 <ronan> mattip, arigato: that code is running on 2. Getting EncodeError when trying to .decode() is py2-only nonsense

10:59 <njs> so I think faulthandler.dump_traceback_later was used, the timeout expired, it tried to dump stack traces, but instead of dumping stack traces it segfaulted

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19:23 <atomizer> on windows, if pypy directory is in a path that has "non-ascii" characters it, it fails in different ways depending on characters

19:24 <atomizer> couldnt find any relevant bugs, seems pretty obvious, i'm probably bad at search

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19:48 <arigato> atomizer: if it fails in different ways, then there are probably several bugs

19:48 <arigato> it would be helpful if you were to collect all the different ways of failure and post them in a bug report

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21:15 <mattip> atomizer, arigato: at least one of the bugs is causing many failing tests in nightly builds on default

21:15 <mattip> in pypy.module.test_lib_pypy

21:15 <mattip> http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary?branch=%3Ctrunk%3E&category=win32

21:16 <mattip> we try to load a dll with a unicode char in the path name and fail

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21:36 <arigato> I could take a couple of days and look at these trunk-win32 failures, maybe

21:39 <mattip> dunno. I would prefer to put effort into unicode-utf8, unicode-utf8-py3 and see if they magically dissapear

21:39 * mattip zzz

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