00:18 <krig[m]> SeanTAllen (IRC): Oh yeah, didn’t mean to say you’re the only one. Sorry about that :)

12:17 <sarna> just watched the talk, it was great! thank you krig :)

14:04 <pinnaclejobs> If anyone is looking for a job, we are building a distributed system for interoperability in the British National Health Service(NHS).

14:04 <pinnaclejobs> We will build the thing from scratch using technologies and concepts like CBOR, Lua, Pony, Elm, Capability based Security and

14:05 <pinnaclejobs> eventual consistency by composing stand-alone services from across the NHS and private healthcare organisations(mostly our own at first).

14:05 <pinnaclejobs> You will take part in designing the system as well.

14:05 <pinnaclejobs> Positions are permanent with a salary somewhere around 30 to 60k depending on relevant skills and knowledge.

14:05 <pinnaclejobs> You would need to come to the Isle Of Wight, UK. You can send questions, a CV or something resembling one to jobs@phpartnership.com

14:06 <pinnaclejobs> (End of PSA)

14:08 <SeanTAllen> pinnaclejobs: we have a weekly "what is going on with Pony" blog post/newsletter that happens weekly, i'd suggest adding this info to the issue for next week's as well... https://github.com/ponylang/ponylang.github.io/issues/241

14:12 <pinnaclejobs> SeanTAllen: interesting, I'll have a look at that as well.

14:17 <SeanTAllen> pinnaclejobs: it generally gets more eyeballs than IRC. there's a new issue on that repository created every week for items to be included. feel free to add anything you think is of interest to the Pony community at any time.

19:44 <dougmacdoug> opinion question: is there any reason to use case functions.. i've had a few instances where i tried and the code just wound up looking and feeling better as conditionals.. my cases were always fully covered, so i guess the one time you might use them is if you already expect to possibly return None

19:58 <jemc> dougmacdoug: there's general agreement that case functions are not really useful at the moment - almost always, using an explicit `match` statement or other conditionals is acceptable or desirable in comparison - there is an RFC to remove them from the language until we can implement them in a more useful way: https://github.com/ponylang/rfcs/pull/118

19:58 <jemc> that will probably get approved this week to move forward

19:58 <dougmacdoug> well i'm still only taking it as anecdotal evidence that i'm not crazy

19:59 <dougmacdoug> j/k thanks.

20:48 <SeanTAllen> dougmacdoug: i think there is a clean-ness that case functions bring that is very nice

20:49 <SeanTAllen> additionally, you could add a new case functions without changing the API for a method

20:49 <SeanTAllen> in theory at least

20:49 <SeanTAllen> but for current case functions, its a mess

20:49 <SeanTAllen> and needs a better implementation

20:49 <SeanTAllen> i look forward to a better implementation

20:55 <samadadi> Why there is no compiler installer for pony language like other programming language? I like pony but why should i do a ton of work to get a working compiler?

20:56 <jemc> samadadi: some platforms have precompiled binaries, packages, or other streamlined ways of installing the latest stable release of pony

20:56 <jemc> what is your platform?

21:07 <samadadi> windows 10 amd64

21:09 <SeanTAllen> how are you installing samadadi?

21:16 <samadadi> In windows pony requires some prerequisites that i can't download because of my slow internet speed and i am sad about it. that's why i asked you if there is way i can download finished compiler.

21:18 <SeanTAllen> sorry about that, those are requirements for using pony (as compared to programs that are compiled with Pony). we can't ship Pony with Microsoft's compiler tools. The pony tools themselves are updated in a zip file in bintray on each release but we can't ship with Microsoft's tools and that wouldn't help you anyway as the download would be just as large as what you are facing now.

21:22 <samadadi> ok thank you so much for your response.

22:24 <sarna> SeanTAllen: hey, I need some help with the cli package. do you have a moment to spare?

22:28 <sarna> shucks, I've been to eager to ping you. the documentation is great, I just can't read '^ ^

22:28 <sarna> s/to/too

22:29 <SeanTAllen> sarna: ive never used the cli package so i probably can't be any help

22:29 <SeanTAllen> did you figure it out sarna ?

22:30 <sarna> SeanTAllen: yep, I was confused for a sec but I figured it out :)

22:30 <sarna> we're building this cargo thing but for pony :D

22:30 <sarna> and I'm excited

22:32 <SeanTAllen> sorry to not answer anything on that yet. busy day and now quite tired.

22:32 <SeanTAllen> i will get back to you soon

22:33 <sarna> it's alright, take your time

22:33 <SeanTAllen> and feel free to start playing around with ideas without me

22:42 <sarna> yeah, I'm playing with the cli package atm

22:42 <sarna> at the very moment, I'm wrestling with type errors :^)

23:12 <sarna> this package is /awesome/