02:45 <aw-> freemint: uClinux is not Linux

02:45 <aw-> it's an alternative OS similar to Linux, it's not "Linux" as we know it, so yes Linux does require an MMU

02:46 <aw-> i was aware of uClinux.. that's not what i was thinking about when I wrote "linux needs an mmu"

11:16 <beneroth> hi all

11:21 <Regenaxer> Hi beneroth!

12:11 <beneroth> Hi Regenaxer :)

12:11 <beneroth> bbl

13:51 <beneroth> re

16:56 <Regenaxer> Ah, I think I found it! It was a stack check problem in 'journal'

17:15 <Regenaxer> The funny thing is that I fixed it already without being aware of it

17:15 <Regenaxer> I thought "a stack check here would be good style" ;)

17:16 <Regenaxer> And the bug not showing up after that I attributed to its Heisenbug nature

17:16 <Regenaxer> Released new versions of PicoLisp and of PilBox

17:17 <Regenaxer> (the bug showed up in PilBox, only in coroutines)

17:51 <tankf33der> sounds good, as usual

17:54 <Regenaxer> Thanks :)

18:50 <razzy> hi all :]

19:16 <freemint> Hello does anybody have thoughts on detecting mobile sites and push different content then? I would refrain for js if possible

19:46 <Regenaxer> Hi razzy, freemint

19:46 <Regenaxer> freemint, perhaps JS is not needed

19:46 <Regenaxer> Just analyze the User Agent

19:49 <Regenaxer> In pil in the global *Agent

19:52 <freemint> you would go with server side detection and generating fitting content there?

19:53 <freemint> (i am currently asking around in a web dev chat and they advise against that)

19:56 <freemint> Regenaxer, at least the user agent analyzation is stronlgy advised against by mozilla. They claim it breaks to easily-

19:59 <freemint> the approach i pitteched was provide serveral templates which should work for mobile, desktop and tablet each and have the user decide themselves.

20:00 <freemint> there used to be discussions around it and a very well known ux researcher proposed that as the only solution, he was shot down hardly and never heard of again :)

20:00 <freemint> given all the different sizes of phones/tablets/laptops it's better to just break the layout when it "breaks"

20:01 <freemint> it's all possible, I don't really have the time to argue this. Just trust in the thousands of devs that have investigated time in this

20:01 <freemint> was the o-ton

20:09 <freemint> recommendations where use a css framework and let that handle content placement for you

20:09 <freemint> What are your thoughts?

20:15 <Regenaxer> I have not thought about that

20:18 <freemint> ok ich werde dann ein bisschen ohne Richtung hin und her irren

20:18 <Regenaxer> yep, research a bit

20:18 <Regenaxer> guts Nächtle

20:19 <freemint> *search a bit

20:19 <freemint> Schlaf gut