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<ydl> ygrek_: looks like it. i have a fix, will submit a pull request shortly
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<mpenet`> what is +> in ocaml (might be from core) ?
<flux> no idea, it's certainly not from the standard library
<flux> you can get an idea from its type. what does (+>) say in the toplevel?
<mpenet`> nevermind, it's from Command.spec
<flux> btw, though I haven't used core's command line parsing (or anything really :)) I can recommend the great Cmdliner module
<flux> (though it has a bit steep learning curve)
<flux> not the least because it gives a very fancy git-liek experience with --help ;-)
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<mpenet`> I'll look it up, thx for the tip
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<reynir> cmdliner is awesome
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<mpenet`> Command is kind of nice too I must say
<mpenet`> close to what I am used to in other languages
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<orbifx-m> Hello all
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<orbifx-m> There are two MessagePack libraries for ocaml. Anyone using either of them?
<flux> maybe their authors.. :) but thanks, I hadn't heard of MessagePack.
<flux> is it better than protobuf?
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<flux> can ocaml polymorphic variants and sum types be intelligently be mapped onto it?
<flux> difficult choice between msgpack and msgpck. the former has had more releases, while the latter seems to be more built on the work of others (sexplib, ocplib-endian). the former is licensed under ISC, I don't know what msgpack is licensed under.
<flux> it seems msgpack depends on camlp4 while mgspck uses ppx. that would be a deciding factor for me to try out msgpck out first.
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<companion_cube> the next lib will be called msgpk
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<orbifx-m> flux: same rational here. I like that it doesn't enforce an idl and generators unlike protobuf
<orbifx-m> companion_cube: lol
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<flux> I guess it can be a bit annoying with protobuf, if you're not working with multiple projects
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<orbifx-m> Found the same issue with DDS implementations. I don't like the idea a lot
<orbifx-m> vbmithr: here?
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<orbifx-m> flux: it seems vbmithr (msgpck(
<orbifx-m> Has submitted a PR to remove camlp4 which he says is not needed for the core library.
<flux> ..how about for using it?
<flux> or how does the syntax extension work
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<flux> msgpck didn't depend on camlp4 to begin with according to opam?
<companion_cube> why does it depend on sexplib -_-
<orbifx-m> flux: no msgpack does depend. And the developer of the other implementation has submitted a patch to remove it, but hasn't been accepted
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<orbifx-m> companion_cube: what's wrong with sexplib? It even sounds sexy
<companion_cube> it seems a bit pointless to have a dependency on this in a serialization library that is not related to S-expressions
<orbifx-m> Maybe it's for parsing purposes? Dunno
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<dmbaturin> What I find disappointing about every single serialization protocol (schema enforcement issues aside) is that none of them comes with a standardized line protocol, so the "unimportant" detail, how to actually get the data to the application is left up to the user. :)
<companion_cube> isn't it the point? e.g. with json, you can put json wherever you want, in a file or in a http body, it doesn't matter
<dmbaturin> Well, it limits it to a single message per file, or per request. Not so important for files or HTTP, but for stream-oriented protocols, I really wish there was something that could just read messages from a stream, without me having to think how exactly it's done.
<dmbaturin> There are things like ZMQ of course, which come with their own limitations in communication department.
<dmbaturin> And can be an overkill if there's no queue per se.
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<companion_cube> dmbaturin: you could just concatenate them
<companion_cube> with a good parser it should be doable
<dmbaturin> companion_cube: With JSON, yes. I'm mostly talking about those space-efficient binary stuff, like protobuf. You can't just concatenate them, they need actual framing.
<companion_cube> oh
<companion_cube> they're not encoding their own length or something?
<dmbaturin> Speaking of which, can yojson read JSON this way?
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<dmbaturin> I'm still to see one that comes with its own framing, be it length encoding or anything. Not claiming none exist, just that I haven't seen one. :)
<companion_cube> I have no idea, but I know Bunzli explicitely refused to parse several successive json values in jsonm because it's not in the standard
<dmbaturin> Well, it's indeed not in the standard, so it's understandable.
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<Unknown123> Hello guys. Can anyone tell me which one is the command to print something on the screen? Thank you
<lyxia> like print_string?
<Unknown123> Mmmm
<Unknown123> Yes, but it is not working
<Unknown123> I gotta be doing something wrong
<mrvn> well, what are you doing?
<Unknown123> I have in a .ml file # print_string "Hello World";; and then I'm compiling it with ocamlc file.ml but it returns an error
<lyxia> oh print_string is a function, not a toplevel directive
<mrvn> because it is. you can't just go and issue commands.
<mrvn> let () = print_string "Hello World";
<mrvn> -;
<dmbaturin> No ;; needed really. :)
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<Unknown123> Oh.
<Unknown123> Now it works
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<Unknown123> Thank you very much
<Unknown123> !!!!!!
<dmbaturin> Unknown123: To be specific, if you bother to write "let () = ...", you can avoid ;;'s in top level function calls. If its type is not unit, you can do "let _ = ", though I would use the ignore function instead (let () = ignore 4).
<Unknown123> Oh makes sense, thank you :)
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<dmbaturin> Also, ocamlc is the bytecode compiler. Most of the time you'll want ocamlopt, the native one. You should also get familiar with ocamlfind as you will start linking libs sooner or later.
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<Simn> Anyone good with menhir? I'm trying to figure out how to actually recover from a HandlingError state. The manual states that I can "resume normal parsing", but simply calling resume is going to put it in Rejected state.
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<orbifx-m> dmbaturin: what you are after would be bad design
<orbifx-m> The layers for these things are important
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<orbifx-m> And a silver bullet for this thing doesn't exist as it stands. Different uses need different stacks. I am putting this on zeromq for example, but I'm also considering for sending it to a really simple processor over rs232
<dmbaturin> orbifx-m: Well... Is there a _generic_ layer for exchanging messages over byte streams?
<dmbaturin> Not a rhetorical question, I'll be happy if you point me at one.
<orbifx-m> Generic layer?
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<dmbaturin> Yes. Something I could point to a byte stream and read messages from it (underlying details of how bytes are sent are up to me).
<orbifx-m> Like a socket?
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<dmbaturin> Anything really. We are talking layering, right? :)
<orbifx-m> You would have to get down to kernel level stuff. And where would you stop? Ethernet 8b/10b encoding?
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<orbifx-m> You have to relinquish control of low level formats at some point for a good reason: there are some aspects which are more of an issue for others than your application
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<dmbaturin> This talk is not going anywhere and I'm not in the mood to continue it, unless you get back to the topic of a generic line protocol for parsing byte streams into messages. ;)
<orbifx-m> If you explain what you mean and want by generic line control. Still haven't understood
<dmbaturin> I did already.
<mpenet`> is it idiomatic to pass a tuple of args to anonymous functions instead of abusing currying?
<mpenet`> (it's less verbose)
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<dmbaturin> mpenet`: Well, it can be. I don't think there would be abuse of currying; to me it depends on whether pieces of the tuple make sense without one another.
<mpenet`> kinda, writing (fun x -> (fun y -> ...)) feels a bit odd
<dmbaturin> E.g. passing user/password pair as a tuple is perfectly idiomatic to me in every case because a closure with just user is useless; but I might want a function that takes coordinates to be curried because I may want to fix just X and do things with various Y's.
<mpenet`> too many parens (excuse my lisp habbits)
<mpenet`> true
<dmbaturin> But if it's not exposed to the user of the function, I think it's just aesthetic consideration. I might want to go for a tuple for brevity if I can change it any time without breaking anything outside the function.
<mpenet`> that's what I did. thanks for the advices
<Drup> mpenet`: (fun x y -> ....)
<Drup> ;)
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<mpenet`> damnit it does work, I could swear merlin was yelling at me when I tried ealier
<mpenet`> oh well
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<dmbaturin> Yeah, this too. ;)
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<orbifx-m> What's the syntax for aliasing a module? Like open Bytes as B?
<dmbaturin> module B = Bytes ?
<rgrinberg> or locally with let module B = Bytes in
<orbifx-m> Does that create an inclusion of the module?
<Drup> orbifx-m: "an inclusion" ?
<orbifx-m> There is a janestreet article which says that the above syntax creates a full copy of the module
<Drup> probably an old article
<Drup> that's not the case anymore
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<orbifx-m> Ow that's what it says, 4.02 changed it right?
<Drup> module aliases, don't remember which version
<orbifx-m> If I open Msgpck, it works fine. If I alias with module M = Msgpck, it complains that no implementations were provided for it
<dmbaturin> That's quite strange.
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<orbifx-m> It was a makefile issue. But it's strange that it changed the compiler error
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<sh0t> hi guys, I installed QuickCheck through opam but now when I open QuickCheck i get an unbounded module error...
<sh0t> any ideas?
<zozozo> sh0t: where do you open Quickcheck ? toplevel , or in a .ml file ?
<sh0t> where i get the same error anyway...let's say for now toplevel...
<zozozo> in the toplevel, you'd need something like #require "quickcheck"
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<zozozo> in a .ml file, you need to somehow adds the quickcheck package as a dependency, and how to do so depends on your build system
<sh0t> ok zozozo i try
<sh0t> on toplevel it works after "#use "topfind";;"
<zozozo> right
<zozozo> utop loads it automatically, so i forgot, :p
<sh0t> no problem...:) for .ml files... for build system what do you mean exactly? i used oasis
<zozozo> if you use oasis, you need to add quickcheck in the list of dependencies in the BuildDepends field
<sh0t> ok thanks
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<sh0t> so zozozo i updated the dependencies on the oasis file but on emacs/merlin i still get unbounded module for QuickCheck
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<zozozo> do you use merlin ?
<zozozo> if so you need to add in your .melrin file a lien "PKG quickcheck"
<zozozo> *..merlin and *line, :p
<sh0t> oh ok
<sh0t> yeay! thanks zozozo
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<sh0t> zozozo, what if i want to use ocamlc how do i specify the quickcheck library?
<zozozo> iirc, something like ocamlc -I /path/to/quickcheck, adn you can find the path with ocamlfind query quickcheck
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<sh0t> thanks
<zozozo> but ocamlfind also provides a wrapper so that you only have to do : ocamlfind ocamlc -package quickcheck ...
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<Bluddy[m]> anybody know the performance impact of -no-naked-pointers mode? Is it activated by default?
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<sh0t> is there a somewhere a good tutorial on how to use quickcheck with ocaml?
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<def`> Bluddy[m]: I might be completely wrong, but I remember a 10% to 20% faster GC
<rgrinberg> When you pin to override a pacage with opam, does the .install file also get overriden?
<rgrinberg> seems like that's not the case
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<Bluddy[m]> def`: thanks
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<notdan> Is there a way to list all the available functions/values in the module in the REPL?
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<Drup> #help;;
<Drup> oh, that's not what you asked, sorry
<Drup> #show_module M
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<notdan> ah, thanks
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<sh0t> HI guys, I am trying to use quickcheck for some tests... i don't know how to start to generate random ADTs though... (sorry i am pretty new of ocaml...) do u guys have any ideas ?
<sh0t> i meant random values of ADTs...:)
<sh0t> for instance and abstract syntax tree...
<sh0t> *an
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<orbifx> sh0t: I've not used those my self, but isn't there a tutorial or something?
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