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<apache2> is there something like a List.find : (fun 'a -> 'b option) -> 'a list -> 'b in the standard library?
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<flux> no
<flux> which is why projects such as Batteries, Containers and Core are popular :)
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<apache2> :(
<maker> wtf
<maker> maker@test:~$ oasis
<maker> Fatal error: unknown C primitive `unix_has_symlink'
<maker> google shows 0 results for this, incredible
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<maker> oh, missing opam config env -- that error is super misleading
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<apache2> uh oh
<apache2> I'm wondering what a .cmo file (caml object file?)
<companion_cube> it's a bytecode file, resulting from the compilation of a single file
<apache2> ah, thanks
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<maker> File "src/jws.mli", line 22, characters 0-0:
<maker> Error: Syntax error
<maker> riiight
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<mehdib> something funny: let f ~x = x;; f 1;; gives - : x:(int -> 'a) -> 'a = <fun> and (f : x:int -> _) 1;; gives - : int = 1
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<octachron> mehdib: functions with a labeled argument and a polymorphic return type have a special behavior: they are never considered as fully applied
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<octachron> another fun corner case to consider: "let g x y = f ~x ~x:y;;"
<mehdib> :)
<maker> :O
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<mehdib> and then g f;; gives - : '_a -> '_a = <fun>
<mehdib> and g f f;; gives - : x:'_a -> '_a = <fun>, however unlike f 1;; , g f f 1;; gives an error
<mehdib> but (g f f : x:int -> _) 1;; gives 1 and (g f f : x:_ -> _) 1;; gives - : x:(int -> '_a) -> '_a = <fun> ...
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<orbifx> is there a comparisson of lwt to native threads anywhere?
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<tobast> Hello
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<tobast> Anyone had to deal with an OCaml AST?
<octachron> yes
<tobast> We're trying to recurse on the AST to collect informations on nodes, node types, …, but we would really like to avoid the painful task of writing the whole 800-lines function to do so
<tobast> as we just need to call a function on each node
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<rks`> tobast: Ast_mapper Tast_mapper ?
<tobast> rks`: don't we need to implement a function for each node type anyway with these?
<mrvn> is there something that iterates over each method of a class and gets told what the class name is?
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<octachron> tobast: there is also iterator equivalent ast_iterator, but yes you need to precise the behavior of the iterator/mapper over each node type
<tobast> octachron: if it is only over each node type, it's still easier
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<tobast> Thanks!
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<tobast> octachron: I can't find Ast_iterator anywhere apart from http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml/libref/Ast_iterator.html... Not even in compiler-libs
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<octachron> tobast: are you using the "compiler-libs.common" package?
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<tobast> octachron: the default one, coming with opam switch 4.02.3
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<Drup> tobast: Ppx_core.ast_iterator
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<orbifx> is it possible to use lenses to replace nested record updates?
<flux> isn't that their intended purpose?
<flux> was it that someone proposed a additional nested record update syntax as well on mantis..
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<orbifx> yeah
<orbifx> there is an effort to have { record with a.b.c = val }
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<rseymour1> hi folks, has anyone used ocplib-json-typed to load a json schema and then validate json against it?
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<mpu> For memoization, can I create a hash table using the address of objects passed?
<Enjolras> this is not a terrific idea. You have to make sure your objects are copied when they are the same. Else you will have dups
<Enjolras> But i'm not sure you can make this without stubs
<Enjolras> you can use pysicall equality, but using address for hashing i don't see hw without doing something hacky
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<Enjolras> i guess Obj.obj would do it actually. But what if the object is moved by compact ?
<Enjolras> you would need to hook into gc
<Enjolras> like, detect major GC, and rehash your hashtbl when a compaction is performed
<def`> This is tricky and rely on a lot of GC internal :)
<Enjolras> def`: i'm not sure i want to read such a code. I want to remain sane :p
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<def`> Enjolras: I tried to implement without stubs
<def`> but the problem is that safepoint are too hard to predict
<def`> so GC could run at unexpected places, ... falling back to C is the best to ensure no GC runs :P
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<Enjolras> def`: wow. You actually did it :o
<Enjolras> probably it would be a bit easier with Gc.promote. At least you can rule minor gc out of the party. But still it looks very hacky
<def`> There is a Gc.promote?
<Enjolras> mpu: just use fast hashing :).
<def`> If you decent performances, you have to deal with minor heap
<def`> (I would like to have such structure in stdlib, this might be useful, for multicore OCaml for instance)
<def`> (not this implementation of course :))
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<mpu> Enjolras: In my case, I know stuff won't be copied, and taking the pointer is safe.
<mpu> (it is safe regardless of copies)
<mpu> How does Hashtbl.hash work on an Obj.t?
<mpu> Probably the same as on the object itself.
<mpu> GC is a good point, though...
<mpu> I'll just cache the result of my function inside the object itself.
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<Enjolras> Hashtable use polymorphic compare and polymorphic compare on Obj.t does pysical compare i think
<Enjolras> let foo1 = Obj.repr (`Foo 33) in let foo2 = Obj.repr (`Foo 33) in let hash = Hashtbl.create 4 in List.iter (flip (Hashtbl.add hash) 1) [foo1; foo2]; Hashtbl.iter (fun _ b -> print_int b) hash;;
<Enjolras> 11- : unit = ()
<seliopou> how does one configure oasis to display the full ocamlbuild commands that are being executed?
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<Enjolras> hmm but hash is the same
<Enjolras> 543984111
<Enjolras> 543984111
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<companion_cube> seliopou: look into _build/_log
<seliopou> companion_cube: thanks!
<companion_cube> or use something like XOCamlbuildExtraArgs: -classic-mode
<companion_cube> (something like this(
<seliopou> ah ok
<ggole> Obj.t is only at the type level, values of Obj.t are just regular values with their types changed
<Enjolras> yeah forgot there were no such thing as specialized hash function
<companion_cube> and it's hard to write good hash combinators -_-
<companion_cube> especially with 63 bits
<ggole> Well, there is the Hash functor for that
<companion_cube> which functor?
<ggole> Hashtbl.Make?
<companion_cube> ah! but it assumes you have a hash function already
<Enjolras> not exactly the same thing as specialized compare
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<ggole> Oh I see, you are talking about implementing one. Right.
<companion_cube> compare combinators are easier than hash combinators
<Enjolras> hash combinator is hard. I'ven ever seen a language with this in stdlib
<companion_cube> hmm, doesn't rust have this?
<ggole> iirc Java has something like it, although it's in OO style rather than combinatorial style
<Enjolras> not really. There combinator doesn't combine well. It depends on ordering
<companion_cube> I mean, they have a Hash trait and the double dispatch trick for using it with several hash functions
<companion_cube> of course it depends on ordering
<companion_cube> why wouldn't it?
<companion_cube> [a;b;c] should not hash the same as [c;b;a]?
<ggole> If it didn't depend on ordering of fields, wouldn't it be inconsistent with equality that works in field order?
<Enjolras> In rust, if you want to hash 'a * 'b you can't get the hash of a and the hash of b and combine them
<Enjolras> you have to hash 'a * 'b
<Enjolras> so you can't combine hash, you have to rebuild the hash from scrash for the tuple
<companion_cube> ah, I see
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<companion_cube> but you can see it the other way: to combine two hashes, just hash their pair
<Enjolras> yes, but it prevents implementing cashing.
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<Enjolras> So basically you always have to rehash deep nested structures even you if you have already computed parts of it
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<Enjolras> whic can be a problem
<companion_cube> caching*
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<companion_cube> I'm not sure why you'd have to do this? you could stre the hash in the structure, and use it for the impl of Hash
<Enjolras> sorry my connection is really bad right now i can't read what i type
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<Enjolras> companion_cube: but it means you need full control on the hashed object representation.
<Enjolras> or you need to wrap it in tuples
<Enjolras> it's not very nice
<companion_cube> well I'm not sure how you could od it differently
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<companion_cube> mpu: do you know you can tweak the default hash function?
<companion_cube> look at Hashtbl.hash_param for looking deeper into the object
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<seliopou> uhhh... what's the special incantation to get flambda working in 4.03?
<companion_cube> -O3
<companion_cube> well, `opam switch 4.03.0+flambda` first, obviously
<seliopou> so the standard 4.03 switch won't do the trick?
<flux> correct
<seliopou> ahah
<seliopou> so "hidden behind a flag" really means "hidden behind a compile-time flag"?
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<flux> yes
<flux> in other words, it's not enabled by default in the compiler
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<flux> apparently it was more trouble than its worth to support both optimizers (the old and the new) so it was chosen to err on the safe side
<flux> a future release would enable flambda by default
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<flux> and even a more future release might drop the old optimizer altogether I imagine
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<rseymour> so did anyone see my troubles w/ turning a json-schema.org json-schema into something resembling a 'type' in ocaml? I would love to turn a json-schema into a .atd file for example
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<mpu> Where can I find the freaking documentation for Ocamlbuild plugin extensions?
<mpu> Like, the list of commands available (S, A, ...)
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<Drup> mpu: in the .mli ... :x
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<mpu> I'm pretty sure ocamlbuild could be a nice tool, but right now the documentation is just incredibly bad.
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<mpu> So when I use "dep", the thing depended upon gets added to the build command?
<mpu> This is very inconvenient as I need to have some libraries before this on my linking command.
<mpu> (actually after this)
<Drup> mpu: have you looked at gasche's tutorial ? it's in the ocamlbuild repository now
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<rseymour> so my thought is for some variable of type tt can I do tt [@@ deriving ____]
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<mpu> My myocamlbuild.ml is now pretty insane... http://c9x.me/paste/aQVU
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