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<gasche>
Algebr: BatList.find_map : ('a -> 'b option) -> 'a list -> 'b
<gasche>
(or the Exceptionless variant)
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<tobiasBora>
Hello !
<tobiasBora>
I can read in the documentation that Ocamlbuild can generated odoc files (I think it's link to documentation) but I tried to generate such a file and it generate a dirty binary file. How can I use this file to generate for example a pretty html page ?
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<tobiasBora>
I found a solution with a creation of a file .odocl, it generates html (but I don't understand yet the syntax of odoc, maybe it's not needed...)
<tobiasBora>
However when I try it with an eliom file, it fails (it tries to generate a .mli file, but I have only .eliomi files). Do you know if it's easy to use ocamlbuild to generate documentation for eliom files ?
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<enjolras_>
I've just read the white paper about modular implicits, and I am amazed
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<flux>
reading the recent larger stdlib-discussion on the ml an idea comes to my mind: A Standard Type Library!
<flux>
it would define no more than the types. everyone gets to implement the meat under them :)
<flux>
but at least the types wouldn't then be incompatible among modules (ie. Core, Batteries, Containers, ..)
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<mrvn>
would that be just a bunch of mli files?
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<flux>
probably yes
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<flux>
the downside I'm thinking might be that it would expose too much to the casual user of the library
<flux>
or would there be a way around it?
<flux>
on the other hand, if the types are really fixed then perhaps it doesn't matter.
<flux>
or could there be a polymorphic part in the types to allow hiding the specifics better, but still allowing some form of standard conversion between different representations..
<mrvn>
Other than that you could use (would have to use) the .mli files for your own lib what would be the point?
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<mrvn>
You can already copy the mli files from the stdlib and implement the meat yourself.
<flux>
well, if two libraries were to use the same module path for the same type, they would be compile time compatible
<flux>
not unlike using polymorphic variants, perhaps
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<mrvn>
which would prevent installing the compiled modules unless you compile them for every flavour
<flux>
opam now already recompiles everything every now and then ;-)
<mrvn>
opasm is a source distribution though
<mrvn>
-s
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<ggole>
Hmm: at first I couldn't see the point, but structural typing for modules means that if everybody made modules that were that interface + some other stuff, there would be some compatibility benefit.
<mrvn>
could would be to get them link time compatible.
<ggole>
And you could write module L : StdList = JaneStEnormousListOhGod to make sure that you didn't use nonstandard bits by accident
<mrvn>
open (JaneStEnormousListOhGod : StdList)
<ggole>
But then it's open.
<mrvn>
which list usualy is
<ggole>
Er
<mrvn>
at least [], :: and @
<ggole>
Oh, I see
<mrvn>
I think currently you would have to compile ocamlc/opt againt JaneStEnormousListOhGod to make it replace List and the pervasives for it.
<ggole>
If there were a standard .mli you could just use the constructors from that (if constructors were available)
<flux>
open (StandardLibraryReplaceent : STANDARD_LIBRARY)
<flux>
(actually StandardLibrary.S ;-))
<mrvn>
I would prefer if that would be a compiler option.
<mrvn>
ocamlc --with-std-lib=JaneSt ... and you get JaneSt.
<flux>
and what if you need to deal with two such libraries?
<ggole>
Buy a box of tissues
<mrvn>
flux: how would you mix them? Their internal representation of types would likely be incompatible.
<flux>
extract information from one and put it into other
<flux>
using an intermediate representation such as an iterator function
<mrvn>
then the code has to explicitly use/open them
<mrvn>
--with-std-lib would change what [], ::, @, ^, ... is
<mrvn>
or List.iter
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<haesbaert>
is there a way to extend a module ?
<haesbaert>
s/module/record
<haesbaert>
say I have type x = { x : int }, and now I want a type xy = { x : int; y: int} can I make record type xy compatible with record type x ?
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<flux>
this may be applicaple at times: type 'a base = { x : int } type x = unit base type xy = int base
<flux>
..if you can plan ahead and the additional field doesn't matter
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<haesbaert>
flux: ah I see, that would solve indeed
<flux>
except I mistyped the key part ;-)
<flux>
type 'a base = { x : int: y : 'a }
<ggole>
Additional field?
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<flux>
sometimes a 'partial record' is useful when you just don't have all the data at that point, and on the other hand you don't want to deal with an option field
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<MercurialAlchemi>
flux: you could just use a curried function with named arguments
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<flux>
mercurialalchemi, not if you need to retrieve values from the partially constructed record
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<flux>
well I suppose you still could, but it's not a simpler solution?-)
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<MercurialAlchemi>
flux: well, it does depend on what you want to do, certainly
<MercurialAlchemi>
the curried function solution is the Builder pattern
<MercurialAlchemi>
and typically, builders don't let you access the values you put in them
<MercurialAlchemi>
if you really need to process "partially created" records, maybe you need real records instead :)
<sgeisenh>
I can't find any documentation on the use of partial records. Could you send me in the right direction?
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<sgeisenh>
I know that you can specify a partial record pattern using something like {a;b;_}. But I thought it bound the pattern to the most recently declared record type with those fields.
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<Algebr`>
Why aren't floats like ints in the runtime, why are they allocated
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<ggole>
On 32-bit systems, they wouldn't fit
<ggole>
On other systems you could probably use NaN boxing
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<mrvn>
ggole: "NaN-boxing is a technique based on the fact that in IEEE-754 there are 2**47 different bit patterns that all represent NaN."
<mrvn>
ggole: that boxed non floats in NaN. You can't use that with 6bit intes
<mrvn>
63bit ints
<ggole>
True, you only get so much space.
<mrvn>
And on 32bit that would make value 64bit and double the memory
<ggole>
Like I said: on other platforms you could use NaN boxing
<ggole>
Probably not a great idea for OCaml, though
<ggole>
Where float performance is a secondary concern
<mrvn>
It would limit the range of ints and assumes that pointers fit in 47 bit. That only holds true on amd64.
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<mrvn>
So basically it only works for amd64.
<ggole>
The JS (and luajit) people use it everywhere
<ggole>
Er, everywhere 64-bit.
<ggole>
Perhaps they limit their heaps to that area
<mrvn>
must be
<mrvn>
they might even limit the address space ft 32bit. Because there is a flag for that.
<ggole>
Possible
<mrvn>
I wonder how much slower ocaml would be if it uses NaN boxing. You would have to unbox nearly every value every time.
<ggole>
But floats would be so fast!
<ggole>
I agree, not a good choice.
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<mrvn>
does ocaml support 64bit ARMv6 already?
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<mrvn>
ARMv8 even
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<haesbaert>
is there a way to kill an ocaml process and force a backtrace ?
<haesbaert>
I want to know where the cpu is
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<MercurialAlchemi>
is there a way to convince merlin to lookup package sources in opam?
<Algebr`>
ggole, mrvn : thanks
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<zozozo>
haesbaert: you could set a handler for sigint that raises an exception not handled by your code, and then use the functions in Printexc to print the backtrace when you handle the raised exception
<haesbaert>
hmm cool, will try that
<haesbaert>
thanks :D
<zozozo>
haesbaert: even better you can use the Printexc.get_callstack to print the current stack without exiting the program
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<Drup>
Is anyone in vancouver now already ? :D
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<haesbaert>
can I have a functor that takes a normal value (say a list) as argument and returns me a module ?
<haesbaert>
or the input must always be another module ?