<bernardofpc>
Drup> because it's such an important piece of syntax quite poorly explained by the manual -> also, given that most things OCaml are ddirected to a fun prog public, there's not a lot of help to understand fundamentally different constructs as they appear in other paradigms
<dramas>
quite
<bernardofpc>
it's certainly "better" (in some sens) if one just lets his/her mind empty before learning
<dramas>
also i bristle at your term 'fun prog'
<Drup>
bernardofpc: that doesn't happen in practice, though. :p
<bernardofpc>
at the same time, it's worse because you don't relate your knowledge, and that discourages a lot
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<Drup>
we should have an article "Ocaml syntaxe for the dumm^W C programmer"
<Drup>
dramas: you can s/C/Perl if you want :p
<dramas>
so long as somebody writes the corresponding article, C for dumm^Wocaml programmers :)
<bernardofpc>
(c*mp_cube is probably the one that has most heard me complain about strangeness in Ocamland)
<dramas>
for what it's worth, i really got a lot out of learn you a haskell
<dramas>
and it was a lot more approachable than what i've read today
<Drup>
bernardofpc: c³ is the correct abreviation :)
<Drup>
dramas: did you try the begining of real world ocaml ?
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<flux>
I realized something cool about writing regexp support to ExEnum
<flux>
then you could write a regular expression matching regular expressions
<flux>
and use ExEnum on that to test the code :)
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<companion_cube>
o/
<adrien>
\o
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<mfp>
ugh include (Lwt_log : module type of Lwt_log with module Section := Lwt_log.Section)
<mfp>
In this `with' constraint, the new definition of Section does not match its original definition in the constrained signature: .. Type declarations do not match: type t = Lwt_log.section is not included in type t = section
<mfp>
where type section is defined in Lwt_log, and module Section : sig ... type t = section ... end
<mfp>
no escape to the eternal hell of copy paste :-?
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<gasche>
mfp: this is due to a fairly hairy issue with "module type of" (it doesn't provide the strengthened signature)
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<mfp>
guessed so, so copy paste it is then
<gasche>
you can workaround this by manually re-strengthening the types
<mfp>
really? my attempts to do so failed
<gasche>
(here "section" but you'll also need "level" as my just-made experiment shows)
<gasche>
I guess I should amend the "this use-case is pretty safe" comment in my blog post
<gasche>
it's apparently not, module systems will always come back lurk at you
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<mfp>
cool, thanks gasche
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<rand000>
Hey, I have a question concerning opam ... I can't seem to figure out why the package "mongo" / "bson" is not available - as they are available on the package list of opam.ocaml.org
<rand000>
I have tried to update, to switch compiler + update etc
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<companion_cube>
bson is available on opam
<companion_cube>
rand000: why version of opam do you have?
<rand000>
1.00
<rand000>
companion_cube: or rather 1.0.0
<companion_cube>
ah, that is probably the explanation
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<companion_cube>
opam is now 1.1, and packages for 1.0 are frozen
<companion_cube>
I strongly recommend you upgrade to 1.1
<rand000>
ahh..
<rand000>
I think I installed opam the shell-script way - don't ask me why when I'm on ubuntu - how would I remove, but still keep my settings?
<rand000>
and packages...
<companion_cube>
if you keep your .opam, I think that using a more recent opam will do the upgrade
<companion_cube>
I mean, it will keep your packages
<rand000>
ah fine
<rand000>
thx
<companion_cube>
although opam switch export may be good
<companion_cube>
(if opam 1.0 has this option)
<rand000>
it has
<rand000>
I will try that (:
<companion_cube>
:)
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<asmanur>
gasche: tss, you didn't quote pimp as an example for ocamlweb :(
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<gasche>
asmanur: isn't it in french?
<asmanur>
yes, I forgot about that detail
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<dramas>
is there a command-line query to modules in ocaml?
<dramas>
ocamldoc --help doesn't really seem to indicate
<adrien>
hmmm, I don't understand what you're trying to do
<dramas>
so if i want to see the prototype for Printf.sprintf
<dramas>
at present i am just googling and getting parts of the manual
<dramas>
i assume i have this manual on my local machine
<adrien>
man Printf
<adrien>
typically
<bernardofpc>
the prototype you get just by entering "Printf.sprintf ;;" in the toplevel
<dramas>
er, that gives me the c manual yes?
<adrien>
dramas: capital P
<adrien>
printf vs Printf
<dramas>
oh you are correct
<dramas>
thank you
<dramas>
also i am quite stuck on a piece of syntax and i'm trying to track down where it is.
<dramas>
is there a way to run something uh, interactively, or something, in a debugger?
<adrien>
"ocaml" is an interactive shell
<whitequark>
syntax? try ocp-indent
<dramas>
adrien: it just barfs at the end of the statement which can be any lines long
<dramas>
whitequark: what is ocp-indent?
<adrien>
dramas: well, pastebin your code and we can have a look
<dramas>
atm it is moaning about unbound value length at line 31
<dramas>
length primestatus do
<dramas>
i must have changed something last night before going to bed as that isn't the error i had before. :/
<bernardofpc>
Probably you need Array.length or List.length
<dramas>
huh. yes i do.
<adrien>
dramas: you have "let upper n * n in"
<adrien>
you shouldn't use "in" there
<adrien>
hmmm
<adrien>
hold on :P
<dramas>
sorry it's a disaster
<adrien>
ah, my bad
<dramas>
this has been kicking my ass for over a full day now
<bernardofpc>
dramas: eratos 4 takes forever to evaluate @ my computer
<dramas>
bernardofpc: this i am aware of.
<adrien>
I misread because I had to open iit in links and it cut the text in a weird place
<dramas>
bernardofpc: i suspect it doesnt actually return
<bernardofpc>
oh of course
<bernardofpc>
your loop (innermost) does not change the value of next_nonprime
<dramas>
oh
<dramas>
you are correct
<dramas>
wait.
<dramas>
it should be defined as a function of iterator * iterator + !multiple
<dramas>
it is derived each iteration, isn't it?
<bernardofpc>
yep
<bernardofpc>
probably your let has to be switched with the loop
<dramas>
and since iterator is incrementing via for ... done, shouldnt it be incrementing?
<dramas>
can you elaborate?
<bernardofpc>
your problem is with multiple
<bernardofpc>
it gets updated
<bernardofpc>
BUT
<bernardofpc>
next_nonprime not
<bernardofpc>
(in your innermost loop)
<dramas>
ohhhh.
<bernardofpc>
(and yeah, arithmetic with OCaml and weird updates is a PITA)
<dramas>
you are correct.
<dramas>
wait.
<dramas>
i have to declare it outside the while loop
<dramas>
or it evaporates each iteration
<dramas>
so i can't just move it into the while loop for incrementing
<bernardofpc>
another ref you need
<dramas>
so much state
<bernardofpc>
yeah
<bernardofpc>
prime numbers are complicated enough to Gödelize the world
<dramas>
heh, true enough
<dramas>
that is a clever way of putting it, even
* dramas
chuckles
<bernardofpc>
(you should probably clear out 0 and 1 as *not* primes, as well, but this is a minor mo)
<bernardofpc>
*modification
<dramas>
it starts at 2
<dramas>
line 10
<dramas>
so i think that while do should actually be a for
<dramas>
that helps with state it hink
<dramas>
although i cannot give for anything so complicated, right? it's just for foo to bar or downto bar?
<bernardofpc>
yes
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<bernardofpc>
however, you can certainly calculate the lower and upper bounds for this for *before* calling it
<bernardofpc>
(just inverse the relations)
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<bernardofpc>
dramas: as for 0 and 1, as your code initializes the array with "true" and never changes, this is the value they get at the end
<dramas>
ah
<dramas>
yes
<dramas>
that is a flaw.
<bernardofpc>
also, multiple should start at 0, not one, because you have to mark p*p as composite, not just p*p + p
<bernardofpc>
gotta go
<bernardofpc>
have fun with numbers :D
<dramas>
yep
<dramas>
thanks again
<rand000>
Hello - I just installed opam v 1.0.1, but now I get an error with installing ocamlfind1.4.0 ...
<rand000>
when I run 'opam install -v ocamlfind' I get a certain gzip error: "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"
<rand000>
anybody that have any idea what the problem could be?
<Drup>
1.0.1 ?
<Drup>
not 1.1.0 ?
<rand000>
sorry 1.1.0
<Drup>
and you should update/upgrade
<rand000>
(:
<rand000>
I have done so ...
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<rand000>
Drup: I had an earlier install of opam + a system install of ocaml; removed both after trying to export old libs, then import -> but didn't work, so I just removed .opam ++
<rand000>
.opam folder
<rand000>
then opam 1.1.0 could update the list, but now this ocamlfind problem
<rand000>
I run ubuntu, and if I try to install ocaml + ocaml-findlib, then it fails too ... hmm
<rand000>
the last line, I mean install through apt
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<dramas>
i feel like i am asking the wrong question, but is it possible to set a "global" variable?
<dramas>
i wish to include debugging commands in this code, and leave them in the code, only to fire if a global is_debugging is set
<Drup>
sure, use a reference
<dramas>
is there a smarter way to do this?
<Drup>
no
<dramas>
okay.
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* dramas
sighs
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<dramas>
got the syntax correct, now there's a silly logic bug
<dramas>
because i surmise 324 is not actually prime.
<bernardofpc>
probably not
<bernardofpc>
more like 18^2
<dramas>
heh
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<bernardofpc>
you should mark p*p + k*p for all k between 0 and (maximum_relative to p)
<dramas>
oh
<dramas>
you are right
<dramas>
i'm using p*p + k*p*p
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<dramas>
ah, that appears to be it.
<dramas>
i believe that means i have finished this. i am actually kind of surprised.
<dramas>
i was so frustrated with this stuff yesterday i actually broke down and cried. :/
<dramas>
i havent struggled this hard to pick up a programming language since c in college.
<Drup>
well, you didn't take the easy road ;)
<dramas>
which was what, exactly?
<dramas>
doing it in perl?
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<Drup>
you didn't really follow any book/tutorial
<dramas>
well not front to back, i read bunches of them
<dramas>
and tried to ascertain what i wanted from the fine manual
<dramas>
i am inclined to say i did not have time to follow a tutorial, but then this took quite a while too
<dramas>
so perhaps that is incorrect.
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<dramas>
Drup / bernardofpc / adrien, thank you very much gentlepersons. i will possibly be around for more such hacking. hopefully less flaily next time. :)
<Drup>
you're welcome :)
<dramas>
out of curiosity, are you using ocaml professionally?
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<dramas>
heh, my sieve is using 1.5gb of ram. goodness, that is inefficient. :)
<Drup>
being in the end of my studies "professionally" is a bit sketchy
<dramas>
ah
<Drup>
but right now, no
<dramas>
i am aware of a few places using erlang, lisp, haskell, and ocaml in production, but not a lot.
<dramas>
so i am curious that there would be so many people here
<dramas>
i wonder what the typical demographic is.
<Drup>
there are a bit more than you might think
<dramas>
it is certainly a lot smaller than the majority, however.
<Drup>
sure
<adrien_oww>
I use ocaml out of work mostly but I also use it from time to time at work too; usually the langage is determined by several constraints and legacy though
<dramas>
(i make no judgment on that)
<dramas>
i became intrigued with FP when a project at work inadvertently used erlang
<dramas>
but could not get anyone interested enough in it to pay me to learn it and use it in the project
<dramas>
so i peeked in on haskell and ocaml, and had learned forth a long time ago, but i never really got very far with it until this week.
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<smiler>
Anyone have a decent prompt/color setup for utop that makes it look a bit less like unicorn poo?
<dramas>
heh
<Drup>
What do you have against unicorns ? :(
<dramas>
and poops!
<smiler>
They haunt my dreams :'(
<dramas>
but unicorn tenderloin is so tasty and colorful!
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<dramas>
is there a heredoc-alike i can use in ocaml?
<dramas>
a way to print several successive lines?
<Drup>
"List.iter print_endline"
<dramas>
where is print_endline?
<Drup>
in pervasive
<dramas>
ok
* dramas
looks
<dramas>
hummmmmm
<Drup>
about heredoc, I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly, but if you want stuff to generate documentation, you can look at ocamldoc
<dramas>
but print_endline looks for a string
<dramas>
basically i want to print out a few lines when the program executes.
<dramas>
and repeated prints feels hokey
<Drup>
what the issue with a string containing a few lines ?
<dramas>
will it just keep reading until a closing doubletick?
<Drup>
sure, why he would not ? ^^'
<dramas>
i have suffered abuse at the hands of languages that consider whitespace significant
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<Drup>
ahah
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<smiler>
Ah, #utop_prompt_simple;; made it less chocking to my eyes
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<adrien>
dramas: pa_xstrp4 for heredocs
<adrien>
and string interpolation
<dramas>
where does that live
<adrien>
I don't remember :P
<def-lkb>
smiler: didn't know about that, I will try thanks :)
<adrien>
I know hcarty has worked on it but more recently, I don't know who's maintaining it
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* dramas
peers at bitcoin
<smiler>
def-lkb: :) I don't know how to make it permanent though.
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<def-lkb>
smiler: put the line in ~/.ocamlinit
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<def-lkb>
smiler: but be aware that it will print a message about unknown command with normal toplevel
<smiler>
Hmm ok
<smiler>
I guess it would be possible to detect the environment from within that file. But my ocaml skills are still n00bish.
* smiler
used a lot of SML at university but haven't really touched ocaml
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<esden>
Hi everyone. I am trying to debug an issue of lablgtk/signals on OS X. I tried to describe it with examples in detail here: https://github.com/paparazzi/paparazzi/issues/290 did anyone of you guys run into that issue? Also do you know of an alternative? As far as I can tell the glib child_watch_add is not wrapped by lablgtk, which would be the perfect alternative to the io.add_watch mechanism.