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<xtrm> who *
<xtrm> oups
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<yangsx> hi, anybody succeeds in compiling cameleon 1.1 on Debian?
<yangsx> I follow the instructions in INSTALL, and get lots of "Unbound value" error, such as C.string, module Report, Configwin.string.
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<Segora> re
<cleverdra> hello Segora.
<Segora> *sigh* when the day begins with a mnesia crash...
<cleverdra> yikes. Any damage?
<xtrm> too much alcohol
<Segora> the system is recovering in the moment (chewing through a huge workload). it performs nicely now.
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<Dybbuk> Has anybody used scaml? http://algol.prosalg.no/~malc/scaml/
<Dybbuk> What did you think of it? Stability?
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<ott> re all
<Dybbuk> Howdy.
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<two-face> hi
<Dybbuk> Hey there.
<two-face> #ocaml is crowed tonight :)
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<MegaWatS> heh maybe that is a good sign
<MegaWatS> maybe the user-base is growing ;)
<two-face> i hope so!
<Dybbuk> I think it is. :)
* two-face love Joe Camel
* two-face loves Joe Camel
<Dybbuk> My coworkers will be using it soon enough! Muahahahaha!
<MegaWatS> [22:04:32] <Dybbuk> My coworkers will be using it soon enough! Muahahahaha! <-- :>>
<Dybbuk> :)
* two-face has already used Caml light but has never been tempted to smoke ;-)
<Dybbuk> I'm going to write my next project in OCaml, which means they'll have to learn it in order to review my code.
* two-face ducks
<MegaWatS> and your employer? what's he saying about that?
<Dybbuk> He doesn't care what I use as long as it's better than what we've already got. :)
<Dybbuk> And besides, my coworkers are excited about it, too.
<MegaWatS> I see :)
<MegaWatS> heh I hope I get to have that kind of work-place too once I get out of uni :p
<Dybbuk> Well, a workplace like this has its advantages and its disadvantages.
<Dybbuk> We don't tend towards organization, which is a pain in the ass.
<MegaWatS> well anything for not having to code in c# no? ^^
<two-face> MegaWatS: oh yeah
<Dybbuk> Hehehe. :)
<Dybbuk> Yes, good point!
<two-face> there is one problem with c#, it is called M$
<MegaWatS> actually I think there'll soon be a free implementation
<MegaWatS> but still, the stranglehold C-like languages have on the market is kind of ... annoying
<MegaWatS> they ARE good for certain kinds of tasks, but the kind of mindset that permeates the industry that functional languages- which would have really broad areas of applications -tend to be basically invisible
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<two-face> for games !
<MegaWatS> for example
<MegaWatS> for games, for compilers, for desktop applications ... especially for compilers imho btw
<two-face> yeah
<MegaWatS> I mean it's not as if it's a magical bullet that solves anything, there are certain areas where functional languages are far from the optimal solution
<Dybbuk> Yes.
<two-face> of course
<MegaWatS> small-scale mostly text-processing apps like the typical unix tools, low-level stuff, certain types of desktop apps, video codecs
<MegaWatS> etc
<Dybbuk> I still don't quite grokk how to use a functional approach with OOP.
<MegaWatS> actually that`s one of the most fascinating things I think about ocaml
<MegaWatS> I've noticed I've started to use less and less inheritance-based designs
<Dybbuk> It's fascinating indeed, but I still don't really get it yet.
<MegaWatS> as they're starting to seem more and more braindamaged over time
<Dybbuk> The project I'm going to be working on is a search tool for our product database.
<MegaWatS> by now I'm almost always writing the class types explicitly at first as an interface design
<MegaWatS> I see
<MegaWatS> that's an area where I have, unfortunately, practically NO knowledge to speak of at all :>
<Dybbuk> Well, I have just small amounts of knowledge. Right now, we are building complex SQL queries to handle product searches, but they get too expensive.
<Dybbuk> We have to do multiple table joins, and expensive sql intersects.
<Dybbuk> It just gets too hairy.
<Dybbuk> mmc: Cool, thanks!
<two-face> any native English speaker in there?
<emu> ?
<emu> being a native english speaker probably means that I know the least about english
<two-face> heh
<emu> I didn't learn much about grammar until I took spanish
<Dybbuk> I'm native. :)
<Dybbuk> And my mom was an English teacher, so I know grammar!
<two-face> is this sentence corrent "All those components are provided as separate packages."
<Dybbuk> Yes.
<Dybbuk> two-face: Spoken like a true Canadian.
<two-face> good
<two-face> Dybbuk: so, how would you improve it?
<Dybbuk> two-face: I might stick an 'of' in there. "All of those components ..."
<emu> of course, in context, it might not make sense as a separate sentence
<Dybbuk> two-face: But really, both ways are equally correct.
<two-face> Dybbuk: ok :)
<two-face> Dybbuk: thx
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<Yurik> re
<two-face> hey Yurik! Tovarisch !
<Dybbuk> Yurik: Howdy!
<Yurik> hi all!
<Yurik> how r u, guys?
<two-face> Yurik: fine, and you?
<two-face> Dybbuk: could you please fix this "You will find the Cameleon user manual as well as the programming guide
<two-face> for most Cameleon libraries in the `cameleon-doc' package."
<Yurik> two-face: i bit bad but generally fine :-)
<two-face> Yurik: what's wrong?
<Yurik> two-face: i got a chill and black-and-blue :-))
<two-face> Yurik: ah, it is already winter in Ukraine?
<Dybbuk> two-face: That looks fine to me.
<two-face> Dybbuk: thanks
<Yurik> two-face: nope, winter is far away
<Yurik> two-face: but a bit cold now
<two-face> Yurik: :)
* Yurik is finally designing communication protocol
<two-face> Yurik: you design new protocols ?
<Yurik> two-face: well, internal protocol
<Yurik> two-face: for my project. i spent a lot of time thinking of what it should be. seems that i finally got something. or may be not :-) time will prove
<two-face> what kind of protocols ?
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<merriam> ironic
<merriam> maybe a more fault-tolerant tcp...
<two-face> heh
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<two-face> bye
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