00:19 <Oksana> DocScrutinizer05: If the cellular modem is a USB add-on to user's device, then surely, it can neither compromise whole device nor see user's all actions? At most, know user's location, and which servers user is exchanging data with, and when; but not contents of data itself (if it's encrypted with, say, SSL), and not user's off-line activities?

00:20 <Oksana> Just, most of modern phones make cellular modem heavily integrated, instead of USB-attached.

07:40 <atk> it would be nice to launch an investigation into this

07:41 <atk> at least quallcomm's SOCs integrate it

07:41 <atk> and share memory with the modem

07:41 <atk> at least we can extrapolate that because they share memory with the WLAN module

07:41 <atk> which is just as stupid

07:41 <atk> as a series of recent CVEs prove

07:41 <atk> there must be at least some mainstream android phones which don't integrate it

07:42 <atk> and I mean recent phones which can run a web browser at a decent pace

07:43 <brolin_empey> atk: Atom-based smartphones, such as the Asus ZenFone 2 from 2015?

07:43 <atk> ooh

07:52 <atk> but wait

07:52 <atk> if it's x86 based, aren't there going to be compatibility issues with applications which compile some native stuff?

08:07 <brolin_empey> atk: I think that is only a problem if an application uses native code but only includes native code for ARM, not for x86. Off hand, the only example of such an application I can name off hand is an unofficial port of Doom 3 to Android that uses NEON native code but did not include native code for x86. I used Android 4.2 for x86 on a Geeksphone Revolution from when the Revolution was released early in 2014, forgot which month, until 2015 May or June and

08:07 <brolin_empey> do not remember finding anything else I wanted to use that did not work on Android on x86.

14:17 <Joerg-Neo900> ssl going to expire in 8 days