ddfreyne changed the topic of #nanoc to: 3.6.7 (dec 9th) | web http://nanoc.ws/ | repo http://bit.ly/XE6e3G | issues http://bit.ly/VfXaSV | forum http://ho.io/n-discuss | irclog http://irclog.whitequark.org/nanoc
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<tom[]> dkm: agreed. i'm using neat+bourbon atm
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<ddfreyne> guardian: lunr.js
<ddfreyne> dkm: tom[]: Check out CSS flexbox too.
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<tom[]> ddfreyne: is the adequate browser support? i have not yet dropped ie6&7 (will soon, though)
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<ddfreyne> tom[]: You need IE 10+
<ddfreyne> tom[]: And I recommend dropping support for < IE 10
<ddfreyne> (Depend son your target audience, though)
<tom[]> would be nice
<tom[]> can't do it
<tom[]> dropping 6 and 7 soon. i just have too many customers with old win xp systems looked after by campus IT. they can try asking for an upgrade but probably won't get it. if i break the service for them, they won't be happy
<ddfreyne> Ah :(
<ddfreyne> tom[]: My strategy was to make sure the site is usable on IE6/7, and not care if they don't get the full experience
<ddfreyne> e.g. some decorative images would not show up
<ddfreyne> tom[]: Take a look at http://mystonline.com/en/... it has two <!--[if lte IE 6]> sections
<tom[]> right. when we drop 6/7 support, i want the core app functionality to work and be usable, but i want it to look a bit ugly to prod them upgrade
<tom[]> ie6 is only 8?
<ddfreyne> tom[]: IE6 is 12 years, actually
<ddfreyne> I did not update that comment in 4 years :)
<ddfreyne> (I no longer maintain the site)
<ddfreyne> I dropped support for IE6 5 years ago
<jugglinmike> I want to call `render` from within some ERB. Right now, I'm writing, `%><%= render 'block.html' %><%`, but that seems awful. Is there a `print` method (or similar) available?
<tom[]> there are many things that make web development a miserable business. Microsoft has probably caused more of that misery for me than anything else
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: If you pass a block to render, you don't need the =. Icky, I know :D
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: A proper answer, no
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: Hm, sec
<jugglinmike> uhg thats ror isn't it
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: I would like to have a concat method in nanoc ;)
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: Take a look at the https://github.com/nanoc/nanoc/blob/master/lib/nanoc/helpers/rendering.rb source
<ddfreyne> This is basically what concat does (_erbout << ...)
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: `... ; _erbout << render('block.html') {} ; ...`
<ddfreyne> err
<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: `... ; render('block.html') {} ; ...`
<ddfreyne> The reason why the block is so weird is because you cannot use <%= with blocks :(
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<ddfreyne> jugglinmike: `... ; _erbout << render('block.html') ; ...`
<ddfreyne> better
<tom[]> could nanoc have one method to return the rendered string and another method to output it? or an argument to the method to choose between those?
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<ddfreyne> tom[]: Sadly not in a backwards compatible way I believe
<ddfreyne> tom[]: But it is certainly something worth considering for nanoc 4.x
<tom[]> you can't add a method and be bc?
<ddfreyne> tom[]: Hmm, #render_to_string or so?
<tom[]> render_return
<ddfreyne> Or actually, that is kinda what #render already does (when no block is passed)
<tom[]> i'm not sure is more idiomatic in ruby worlds
<ddfreyne> Yeah, not sure what to do here either.
<tom[]> i don't know what to do with breadcrumbs in a reactive site
<ddfreyne> What do you mean by reactive?
<ddfreyne> Anyway, my doctor has told me not to use my right hand and let it rest.
<ddfreyne> I should stop :)
<tom[]> dictation
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<tom[]> This is me talking to the dictation device that's built into OS X
<ddfreyne> 7
<ddfreyne> 19:47 <ddfreyne> This is basically what concat does (_erbout << ...)
<ddfreyne> 19:47 <ddfreyne> err
<ddfreyne> 19:47 <ddfreyne> jugglinmike: `... ; render('block.html') {} ; ...`
<ddfreyne> 19:47 <ddfreyne> jugglinmike: `... ; _erbout << render('block.html') {} ; ...`
<ddfreyne> ugh wtf
<ddfreyne> That wa sme trying to use dictation. don't ask.
<jugglinmike> haha
<ddfreyne> again
<ddfreyne> let me try this again
<ddfreyne> this book splendor
<ddfreyne> dictation has no clue what I'm really saying at all
<ddfreyne> hello I am the author of memo
<ddfreyne> ENOUGH.
<ddfreyne> Dictation has a long way to go.
<tom[]> Success in dictation starts with diction
<tom[]> ^^ also from dictation
<tom[]> gtg
<ddfreyne> seeya
<dkm> tom[]: I wonder how many customers stick with old Win XP and < IE 10 simply because all of their venders still hang on supporting it :)
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<tom[]> dkm: yeah. sure. i'm to blame