avsm changed the topic of #mirage to: Good news everyone! Mirage 3.0 released!
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<haesbaert> zzz
<hannes> haesbaert: you should think about having a 4.05 build as well :)
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<reynir> haesbaert: Are you going to Marrakech in December?
<hannes> reynir: yes
<reynir> ^^
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<yomimono> Hi!
<talex5> Hi!
* mato waves
<mort___> .
<kensan> Hello
<lobo> hi
<dinosaure> hi
<TImada> Hi from Japan!
<yomimono> :D
<yomimono> so it's fortnightly/biweekly meeting time again!
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<yomimono> agenda is at https://github.com/mirage/mirage-www/wiki/Call-Agenda , please add stuff!
* djs55 waves
<yomimono> I had a reminder about the hack retreat (28 Nov - 6 Dec, Marrakesh Morocco) first up! more info at http://marrakech2017.mirage.io/
<yomimono> hannes is organizing it, but not sure if he's here
<hannes> i am here
<yomimono> anything more to say about it? :)
<yomimono> ("no" of course being an acceptable answer)
<hannes> we've 22 registered people so far. please sign up till sunday.
<mato> will there be a mailing list for this instance?
<hannes> yes, i'll set this up on monday
<mato> cool, thx
<hannes> or reuse the old one, not sure right now
<yomimono> see y'all there :D
<mato> looking forward to it!
<yomimono> moving on:
<yomimono> talex5, tell us what's up with capnp-rpc ?
<talex5> I removed all the Core_kernel stuff from the capnp runtime, so it now works with mirage/xen (at least).
<yomimono> yay!
<talex5> I had to work around the lack of unsigned ints in OCaml, though.
<talex5> Had hoped that https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/1201 might get merged for 4.06.
<talex5> If someone understands stubblr, would be good to get ocaml-uint updated to use it.
<talex5> That's all from me.
<yomimono> cool, thanks!
<hannes> I'm not certain that ocaml-uint is a good solution. but then it's unclear which operations people have on numbers.
<talex5> Yeah, that's just the library capnp is using currently. But none of them supports Mirage currently.
<hannes> I saw in your release, you measured the binary size of your calc example -- which is now 17MB from previous 21MB... may I ask why this is so big? (i.e. what contributes to its size the most?)
<talex5> Haven't checked, sorry.
<talex5> Didn't you have a tool for that at one point?
<hannes> I had some scripts, yes, they're likely bitrot by now -- https://hannes.nqsb.io/Posts/BottomUp
<hannes> I was surprised and afraid to have such a big binary for such a little system (canopy is ~6MB stripped)
<talex5> The only obvious big-ish thing in there is tls, so I don't know why either.
<yomimono> talex5: solo5 targets should work too, right?
<talex5> Should do.
<yomimono> Cool :)
<yomimono> If folks are looking for a fun project to try, a unikernel-unikernel comms demo would be neat
<yomimono> I would like/subscribe/share/tweet/reblog/hype anyway ;)
<yomimono> if that's all on capnp-rpc, I had a short update also
<hannes> talex5: tls is maybe 1MB, not sure if this counts as "obvious biggish"
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<talex5> (strip might shrink a few MB from the current size too)
<kensan> talex5: Sorry, I do not know anything about capnp-rpc: should it also work via shared memory as communication channel or are there some restrictions?
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<talex5> kensan: you'd have to write your own transport, but it might work.
<kensan> talex5: The scenario I am imagining is two MirageOS unikernels on Solo5/Muen which could communicate via capnp-rpc.
<talex5> The library doesn't worry too much about messages getting overwritten after it starts processing them though.
<talex5> If you can lock the pages after exchange, that would be fine.
<talex5> If you really care about performance, you might want to use raw capnp messages (without the RPC layer).
<kensan> talex5: Ok, do you have a pointer regarding capnp and the currently available transports?
<kensan> talex5: Thanks, will take a look.
<talex5> You just allocate some memory and build up a message in it. How you transfer it is up to you.
<kensan> talex5: Right, sounds simple enough ;) Thanks for the info.
<yomimono> so there's just one other thing on the agenda
<yomimono> last meeting I got no objections to transfering mirage-nat into the mirage org and releasing it, so I did that
<yomimono> feel free to use it for your ipv4 masquerading needs :)
<yomimono> that's it!
<talex5> Yay! I hope to update qubes-firewall for this soon!
<yomimono> (oh wait - thanks hannes and talex5 for comments on it :) )
<yomimono> talex5: speaking of qubes-firewall, it would be great to get a fix for the mirage-net-xen issue that's preventing it from working with HVM guests
<yomimono> I keep meaning to look into it but it's easier to mean to do things than do them :/
<yomimono> also I'm not so familiar with that bit of code
<talex5> Yeah. I need to get a test VM set up to reproduce the problem.
<yomimono> I'll send you a PR for mirage-nat 1.0 in qubes-firewall if that'll make it easier to find time ;)
<yomimono> that's it for the agenda I think, any other business?
<talex5> mirage-net-xen needs to implement the shutdown protocol that minios is expecting.
<talex5> Fun starter project for someone... maybe?
<hannes> in the name of haesbaert, he is now able to serve connections to his ssh server https://github.com/haesbaert/awa-ssh (according to his twitter account which includes a screencast)
<yomimono> that's really cool!
<talex5> Very nice!
<hannes> speaking of potential projects: it came across my mind that a alcotest which generates a unikernel that runs the testsuite there would be tremendously useful
<hannes> esp. if you handle c bindings etc., it's usually a nice indication when the testsuite compiles + runs on "bare metal" as well..
<yomimono> that never occurred to me, but yes!
<hannes> maybe i should put that onto canopy..
<yomimono> there are a lot of awkward mock modules floating around to fulfill the mirage module types for test code
<yomimono> they'd be less awkward if actually provided/assembled by something that's functoria-aware, maybe
<yomimono> hannes: yes, I think that would be great :D
<hannes> yomimono: i was primarily imaging pure test code...
<yomimono> oh, I see. do you really need much cooperation from the testing library in that case?
<hannes> hopefully not, it should be pretty generic :)
<yomimono> it seems you could drop unikernel scaffolding around it (if the tests have some convention around naming)
<yomimono> and then build that with CI tooling
<hannes> that's where i think that alcotest needs some small extension
<yomimono> I see. I think that would be valuable
<hannes> (might be only myself who keeps on doing such things locally after working a bit on a specific library... most recently zarith updates)
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<yomimono> those got merged recently! \o/
<yomimono> if there's no other business...
<hannes> yes, which brings us (on linux x86) towards non-executable stacks! :)
<yomimono> :D
<mato> i was meaning to ask what the relationship between the zarith updates and nx stacks was, but unfortunately i have to leave now, so another time
<hannes> mato: zarith contains inline assembly, and didn't -Wa -noexecstack until 1.6
<mato> ah ok
<hannes> (or the ".section .note.GNU-stack,"",@progbits" in the .S)
<mato> gtg
<hannes> s/@/%/ for some platforms
<yomimono> that's a good note to end on :)
<yomimono> thanks for coming, folks! agenda for next time is at https://github.com/mirage/mirage-www/wiki/Call-Agenda#25th-october-2017 , please add stuff :)
<yomimono> we'll meet again at 4pm UK time on Wednesday, 25th October
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<haesbaert> 11:18 < hannes> haesbaert: you should think about having a 4.05 build as well :)
<haesbaert> ack, I will, but first things first, I want to cleanup eveything and move to 1.0 soon.
<hannes> haesbaert: soon 4.06 will get out of the door
<haesbaert> 14:12 < reynir> haesbaert: Are you going to Marrakech in December?
<haesbaert> reynir: sure thing ! 28-6 :D
<haesbaert> I know, it's just that the repository is a mess now. Hopefully I get everything dont by this weekend
<haesbaert> zzz, zee german classes, bbl
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<reynir> haesbaert: \o/
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