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<wens>
just broke my a23 tablet :/
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<wens>
acin is dead
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<wens>
vagrantc: maybe it's the "kernel got too big and is being overwriten by DT blob when U-boot loads it" issue?
<wens>
vagrantc: has been happening on kernelci with multi_v7 for a while
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<libv>
wens: how?
<libv>
(did you break it)
<wens>
libv: I don't know. I accidentally applied reverse voltage a couple times. that was before today though
<wens>
libv: or might be the center pin or outer ring contact is broken
<wens>
I had been using a dc plug that had an outer diameter that was too small, and the thing wobbled around a lot
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<libv>
ok, so nothing permanently broken
<libv>
but then a23 tablets are a dime a dozen, it's just not easy to find the exact same one
<libv>
i am intending to give my a23 to my 2.5y old (in a kids case), so it will not survive for long
<wens>
haven't seen them selling on taobao for a while now
<KotCzarny>
isnt it bad for small (<10y) kids to play with attention disrupting toys?
<libv>
KotCzarny: he has almost no exposure to tv
<libv>
and will get a choice of youtube videos
<KotCzarny>
tablets/smartphones are very addicting and disrupting normal psychological/social growth toys
<libv>
the ones he now watches with us, like the ICE running
<KotCzarny>
once they are addicted to them, there is no turning back
<libv>
or an excavator digging
<KotCzarny>
unfortunatelly it will become obvious in a generation or two
<libv>
KotCzarny: my son is one of the most media deprived children in our circles
<libv>
giving him a tablet with a few youtube videos from time to time, is not going to fundamentally change that
<KotCzarny>
which is like saying 'my kids smokes the least from other children'
<libv>
KotCzarny: how many kids do you have?
<KotCzarny>
2
<KotCzarny>
and one is very addicted
<KotCzarny>
but we try to control it somehow
<libv>
we have it under tight control, but we also do not want to deprive him totally
<libv>
and he gets to watch some toddler friendly videos, mostly trains, excavators and aeroplanes
<libv>
as he loves that sort of thing, and there is not that much going on
<KotCzarny>
still, remember, electronics have a high reward inducing level, more than most of the other activities
<libv>
he loves food, and i do not see that changing
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<libv>
and he never gets his demands
<libv>
my gf is a rugby referee educator
<libv>
so neither do i.
<KotCzarny>
:)
<libv>
anyway, let's wait and see how well he treats that, so far he has been pretty good with staying away from and not breaking laptops
<KotCzarny>
not chewing on cables either?
<KotCzarny>
:)
<libv>
but my a23 is going to have a broken lcd in the next 6 months
<libv>
he's been pretty good with that as well, and now cables are boring things that get in the way
<libv>
KotCzarny: are you usign things like jaicompris?
<libv>
or are you just using android apps?
<KotCzarny>
just android apps
<montjoie>
I give my last son separate part of computer, technically if he really want to see video, he can
<libv>
i think that for most people in here, it's a question of when and not if, $children have their own computer
<KotCzarny>
not only here
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<KotCzarny>
but at least here there are people that might realize that electronics can be addictive and disrupting
<libv>
well... it's the easy way out some times, just hand the annoying toddler a tablet or let them sit in front of the tv, and he/she is no longer a problem
<libv>
neither the little guy or i get away with that here though ;)
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<KotCzarny>
ya, and easy way now, most of the time means hard way in the distant future
<KotCzarny>
which is the scheme of plenty of things, STDs, obesity, economy collapse, binary blobs, you name it
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<selfbg>
Hi, is it possible to use e-fuse of a64/h3/... instead of eeprom, or it's otp memory ?
<KotCzarny>
1/ if you manage to burn efuses (might require hardware mod)
<KotCzarny>
2/ if you remember that it's one time operation
<KotCzarny>
3/ if you modify driver/software to be aware of that
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<selfbg>
So it's OTP....
<KotCzarny>
depending on the definition of otp
<selfbg>
Ok, thank you for the info
<mru>
how many definitions of one-time programmable are there?
<selfbg>
memory that you can burn only ones
<KotCzarny>
mru, check wikipedia, it might be also 'one time pad'
<mru>
yes, I'm aware of that
<mru>
wouldn't make any sense at all in this context
<KotCzarny>
he didnt state what he would use it for
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<selfbg>
Let's not get too deep...
<KotCzarny>
but might be easier to buy spi chip/sdcard with write protection switch
<selfbg>
I can write to SID register only once, right?
<KotCzarny>
i think to burn efuse chip must have some ball connected to power
<KotCzarny>
but dont remember which board/soc it was talked about at the time
<mru>
selfbg: perhaps you'd get better advice if you explained what you want to achieve
<selfbg>
No need. I've got the info.
<selfbg>
10x
<selfbg>
:)
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<wens>
off-topic: SiFive adds PowerVR cores to ecosystem
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<mru>
sifive is doomed
<KotCzarny>
they got what they've paid for
<KotCzarny>
i guess
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<libv>
wtf?
<libv>
so much for being open
<KotCzarny>
Our Mission
<mru>
sifive was never about being open
<KotCzarny>
SiFive brings the power of open source and software automation to the semiconductor industry
<KotCzarny>
from their website
<libv>
with pvr?
<KotCzarny>
i guess that was before pvr
<KotCzarny>
so probably will change sooner or later
<libv>
this is not shooting your feet off, this is shooting anything below the hip off.
<libv>
now arm, arm is passive aggressive towards open source gpu things
<libv>
img is not in any position to be anything, as they really have no legs to stand on any more
<mru>
have you met the sifive people?
<libv>
but pvr, per design, is dense and unworkable
<libv>
and you can never get that shit stable
<libv>
even with full open source it'll be a massive struggle
<libv>
mru: no, sifive and riscv happened after i had pretty much moved on from trying to fight that fight
<mru>
I met them a couple of years ago
<mru>
I'm not surprised
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<mru>
they were quite talkative after a few beers
<libv>
so they just saw cheap ip and a marketing statement and went for it?
<libv>
like all the shitpis?
<KotCzarny>
is pvr cheaper than mali?
<libv>
it has to be now
<libv>
why else would you use it?
<libv>
the software support is shit
<KotCzarny>
bribe comes to mind
<libv>
very few people are still buying it
<libv>
and until apple gave them the finger, img did not care that much
<mru>
what are apple using these days?
<libv>
they have their own ip now
<libv>
the legal status of which is being fought over
<mru>
which company did they buy?
<libv>
as they had been using powervr for a decade or so
<libv>
and pretty early on, they took control of the software side of things themselves
<libv>
and from what i've heard, they ended up buying some people out from img
<libv>
and then told img to go f themselves, and that they would stop giving big swathes of cash to img
<libv>
and now img is up the creek without a paddle, and i think a lot of lawyers are involved now
<libv>
so... img has renesas and sifive
<libv>
and sifive just declared itself dead
<libv>
"Imagination is a global technology leader whose products touch the lives of billions of people across the globe."
<KotCzarny>
might be that they got pvr because no one else wanted to talk to them
<libv>
cnx soft is full of crap
<libv>
"However, Arm Mali is tied to Arm Cortex cores and Arm is unlikely to want to help RISC-V take away their market share"
<libv>
why do i have an asus tablet here with an x86 with a mali?
<libv>
arm will take your money.
<libv>
pvr is cornered though, and can be had for cheap
<mru>
weren't intel using pvr at one point?
<mru>
and now they have some totally unrelated thing they call sgx
<libv>
yeah, when the mali barely existed
<libv>
my first mali devices were mali m200s on telechips
<libv>
but the first real mali shipped in numbers was on the exynos 4xxx (4122?) on the samsung galaxy s2
<libv>
which was like late 2011 or early 2012
<libv>
and the sgx based devices were made to try to compete against arm based socs in the then booming smartphone business
<libv>
just before the elopcalypse, guys from my team were being courted by both qualcomm and intel, with intel having an advantage with the meego "ecosystem"
<libv>
so the atom + pvr thing was from that era
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<lvrp16>
mru: i thought i was the only ones getting that vibe. a lot of dust kicked up.
<lvrp16>
i feel like all roads lead to AMD on GPU side. as graphics gets more formal and complex, you are bound to hit the same limitations as desktop GPUs.
<lvrp16>
mobile or not...
<lvrp16>
they're just a natural monopoly
<mru>
I guess nvidia will keep doing their thing
<lvrp16>
hope they realize that mobile is still important and build a chip using arm cores. use realtek's crap.
<lvrp16>
for wireless
<jbizcocho>
Can you elaborate more?, what do you mean by "all roads lead to AMD" ?
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<lvrp16>
jbizcocho: they pretty much own desktop GPU space of the future. nvidia has chased its tail for the last 5 years pushing proprietary vendor lock-in stuff. mobile is an easy win for them once they capture the desktop and server markets with rome. dirk meyers wasn't wrong overall imho, just got his schedule wrong.
<jbizcocho>
You're saying that AMD owns the desktop GPU market?
<lvrp16>
will own, not owns...
<jbizcocho>
Because they are "opensource" ?
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<lvrp16>
they pretty much own non-mobile compute at this point unless intel pulls a chicken out of a hat
<lvrp16>
hardware and software
<jbizcocho>
From where did you get that ?
<jbizcocho>
Do you have some statistics?, or some website I can check
<lvrp16>
at 7nm, you are dealing the physics and mobile/desktop become equivalent. they can just cut down on the core count and pipeline and re-use all of their software IP to beat ARM/Qualcomm
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<libv>
amd will not own the gpu side
<libv>
ati is amazingly bad at executing anything
<lvrp16>
interposer is the future for high performance systems. amd is way ahead of intel on GPU side. nvidia hasn't got a clue.
<lvrp16>
all AMD need to do is be ahead of intel to win.
<lvrp16>
as long as TSMC can continue to pace with Intel, AMD has no issue
<jbizcocho>
From what I know (even without private information from the industry) you just need to check steam survey or unity survey to realise that NVIDIA has more marketshare that AMD in the PC-Desktop market
<lvrp16>
lol, this is about strategy and the future. nobody cares about steam surveys.
<lvrp16>
they're a lagging indicator
<jbizcocho>
they are quite accurate
<KotCzarny>
people can opt-out
<KotCzarny>
i usually do
<jbizcocho>
and 90%+ percent of the GPU market users don't care about opensource
<jbizcocho>
I guarantee you that
<lvrp16>
we aren't even communicating on the same plane. compute != gaming.
<jbizcocho>
That is the mistake
<jbizcocho>
gaming is what drives GPUs forward
<fALSO>
im yet to see a correctly supported arm gpu in linux
<jbizcocho>
is what keeps GPUs alive
<libv>
lvrp16: ati will find a way to mess it up
<fALSO>
without a million hacks
<libv>
they always do
<mru>
I'm not involved in those markets at all, but it seems to me that most every story about someone doing something with a gpu mentions nvidia
<fALSO>
yes
<jbizcocho>
They are driving right now
<lvrp16>
libv: i think they have competent management based on their product roadmap
<libv>
lvrp16: you might remember that i was one of the guys formulating the proposal for freeing the ati r5xx and beyond
<mru>
mobile is a different story
<mru>
haven't heard much from nvidia there in a while
<libv>
and that i was the human crowbar that made it a fact
<libv>
ati will f up.
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<lvrp16>
nvidia thinks the future is gaming lol. their mentality is still in the dark ages.
<libv>
ati != amd, still
<lvrp16>
no point even considering that company
<libv>
and a few of the very nasty players are still there
<lvrp16>
libv: i think they hired lisa from the outside just to punish the internal players
<libv>
lvrp16: that does not mean that all the daemons have been banished
<lvrp16>
whether she can drive them out or create value from them is up in the air
<libv>
i am still blackballed for instance
<lvrp16>
companies don't like critics. you have to go with the flow even running off a cliff lol.
<lvrp16>
horde mentality is all too common
<lvrp16>
it's your mistake to not navigate these social norms
<wens>
here's hoping TSMC is still standing in 2021
<lvrp16>
however BS it may be to endure
<libv>
well, in case of the radeonhd project, that truly was an amd vs ati "internal" struggle
<libv>
amd no longer uses the colour green.
<lvrp16>
green is bad in Chinese culture
<mru>
chinese culture seems so unpractical at times
<mru>
green is bad
<mru>
the number 4 is bad
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<mru>
how can you possibly get anything done when you have to avoid such everyday things?
<lvrp16>
yeah Chinese get stupid with that shit.
<lvrp16>
there's no 4th floor in this hotel...
<fALSO>
lol
<mru>
many american hotels have no floor 13
<fALSO>
lol
<mru>
it's just as stupid
<mru>
but at least 13 is a much bigger number
* fALSO
lolling hard
<wens>
yeah, then you combine the two for five star hotels at tourist destinations lol
<lvrp16>
lol
<lvrp16>
they prefix the floors in my hotel with 8....so i'm on the 88th floor of a 13 story building
<mru>
big hotels often don't have guest rooms on the first few floors anyway
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<wens>
mru: there's this calendar that tells you what you can / cannot do each day (mostly big events like moving or marrying)
<lvrp16>
elon musk would have a field day with his space elevator sales pitch
<mru>
wens: how much do people actually care though?
<wens>
mru: older or less educated people care. elders care
<lvrp16>
yeah the communists got rid of many useless things but this wasn't one of them
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<wens>
mru: like banquet halls get booked a year before for the "lucky" days for weddings
<lvrp16>
wens: try like 5 years...
<KotCzarny>
and they say the chinese are wise..
<wens>
lvrp16: ah, I guess the ratio is better here :p
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<wens>
KotCzarny: whoever said that doesn't have a clue lol
<KotCzarny>
i suspect that's what you get without scientific method..
<lvrp16>
you can equate wisdom to the lack of maserati sales
<KotCzarny>
and it's a pity that .eu is going back to dark times again
<KotCzarny>
eh
<wens>
KotCzarny: yeah, a relative of mine often criticizes Chinese medicine for the lack of scientific method
<wens>
lvrp16: huh?
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<lvrp16>
Maserati sales to Chinese are insane.
<lvrp16>
It's the ultimate poser car.
<KotCzarny>
i wouldnt even know what to do with it
<mru>
drive it ostentatiously
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<KotCzarny>
i'm an utilitarian
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<lvrp16>
mru: people that do that end up in a ditch and have to get their car towed. last year i saw 5 maserati's engine bomb out on the side of the highway.
<lvrp16>
they should just sell the brand to porsche so that the germans can fix the damn thing
<KotCzarny>
too late for that
<KotCzarny>
capitalistic disease hit german engineering hard
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<lvrp16>
KotCzarny: that's a shame
<KotCzarny>
truly
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<lvrp16>
KotCzarny: so they figured out how to be like the rest of the world and earn money doing nothing?
<KotCzarny>
ever heard of mercedes a-class? or vw scandal?
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<lvrp16>
it'll be funny if mazda kicks their ass in a few years
<KotCzarny>
not going to happen, as long people are stupidly buying the cheapest crap available
<KotCzarny>
(funny thing to say on allwinner related channel)
<KotCzarny>
;)
<lvrp16>
mercedez's auto driving tech is a joke...
* libv
stays well away from mercedes
<libv>
i've seen the code to their "rendering engine" for the car model (doors open/close, etc) in the cluster and infotainment system
<lvrp16>
LOL
<libv>
every merc shipped in the last 4 or so years has that
<lvrp16>
apparently german companies don't fire people and thus people that should have long been gone are not
<KotCzarny>
or they just dont have any fresh blood on sane level
<libv>
depends on the company
<libv>
but the same is very much true for a company like ati
<lvrp16>
my friend works at benz and says the auto driving tech has no hope
<libv>
old farts who turned into pseudo civil servants who spend their days protecting their positions and do nothing else
<libv>
this is true for any mature organization
<lvrp16>
lol good old gov
<wens>
lvrp16: funny you mention it, the local media posted funny pics about people using their maserati's to dry quilts and stuff today lol
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<wens>
annoying thing about traditional media here is they run whatever is trending on SNS :/
<lvrp16>
wens: tiktok revolution where everyone has 15 second attention spans
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<wens>
lol
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<SBCguy>
Hi there, can somebody tell me if someone works on the encoding part of the Allwinner VPU?
<KotCzarny>
you mean, #cedrus ?
<SBCguy>
Yes
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<KotCzarny>
i havent heard any news
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