<paulk-gagarine>
you're welcome to use shell scripts instead of it...
<paulk-gagarine>
whatever flaws it may have, it is still the most technically relevant solution
<KotCzarny>
nah, i'll stick to sysvinit
<KotCzarny>
whatever flaws? that's an remote vuln
<uarts>
With grreater complexity comes greater cancer potential.
<uarts>
It's easy to hate on systemd, but nobody has taken it upon themselves to create a competing technology with comparable feature set.
<KotCzarny>
what feature set? boggled down configs? binary logs? making holes in the system? throwing away most basic security paradigm?
<uarts>
Improvements in hardware have necessitated improvements in the software that bootstraps that hardware.
<KotCzarny>
and what for? 2s faster boot?
<uarts>
It's actually not faster! Hah.
<uarts>
At least in my experience in trying to optimize for boot time.
<uarts>
Classical sysvinit always wins.
<KotCzarny>
seriously, i hate trends that prefer 'new' over stable and useful
<KotCzarny>
anyway, back to code
<uarts>
*nods*
<MoeIcenowy>
in fact sysvinit scripts are also easy to be vulrunable
<uarts>
Yeah, but... remotely? =D
<uarts>
I think the remote vuln attack surface is much smaller for sysvinit.
<paulk-gagarine>
sysvinit is such poor technical taste anyway, it is clearly an irrelevant and outdated solution
<paulk-gagarine>
it's like arguing for windows 95 in today's age with arguments such as stability...
<KotCzarny>
nope.
<uarts>
Hah. Well put.
<KotCzarny>
a lot different.
<paulk-gagarine>
but hey, windows 95 is actually the most stable of all windows
<paulk-gagarine>
this is a fact
<KotCzarny>
w95 was as bug ridden as a stray dog
<KotCzarny>
sysvinit not.
<KotCzarny>
old != buggy
<KotCzarny>
it's like saying 'hey, we had this software for too long, where's the chill? let's f*ck everything and start again'
<KotCzarny>
dropping stable solutions in the favor of questionable gains isn't going to be a win
<KotCzarny>
right now aix/*bsd guys are laughing at the state of mainstream linux distros going to hell with stability and security
<KotCzarny>
but hey, it boots faster!
<KotCzarny>
(or not, depending on config)
<uarts>
In almost all cases it does _not_ boot faster.
<uarts>
Hehe.
<paulk-gagarine>
KotCzarny, I don't think you quite understand what the problem with sysvinit is. It's a technical problem. Bash scripts are not a proper way to do an init system, it is technically ridiculous.
<pmpp>
you can write them with thatever
<KotCzarny>
paulk-gagarine: your technical relevance was summarized by saying that w95 was the most stable windows version
<pmpp>
btw rebooting means systemd and friends failed again to handle S3 and that's very common
<KotCzarny>
i can't get you serious anymore
<paulk-gagarine>
KotCzarny, lol look me up
<paulk-gagarine>
I haven't used win95 anyway, I was just told it's still used in environments where a lot of stability is required
<paulk-gagarine>
not that I ever checked that
<pmpp>
you're mislead only windows 2000 and XP64 were stable
<pmpp>
and they are not even plug and play
<paulk-gagarine>
KotCzarny, I totally admit that statement may very well be false, but that was not my main point anyway
<pmpp>
remember some moron making a demo and pluggin a scanner ?
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I believe the line was "I guess this is why we're not shipping Win98 yet"
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