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<ssvb> got U-Boot working on Pine64 after linking the libdram blob
<ssvb> now need to clean up the patches and push them somewhere
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<topi`> what do I need to boot my Bananapi using tftpboot? I guess at least vmlinuz-sunxi and then the .dtb file for it
<topi`> is there some example somewhere how to set up such an U-Boot script?
<topi`> u-boot gets loaded from an old 2 GB sdcard
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<ssvb> U-boot on Pine64, booting a 32-bit kernel - https://gist.github.com/ssvb/67ebb38e8f8f2b9b5ee6
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<ssvb> now we need to get rid of the libdram blob and figure out how to boot a 64-bit kernel :-)
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* ssvb will have some sleep now and then start sending patches
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<topi`> we are finally on the verge of the real low cost 64 bit transition!
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<topi`> it took a long time... back in 2005 I bought my first 64-bit computer, an iMac G5
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<Quintus23M> ssvb: congrat, great work!
<apritzel> ssvb: dude, that's awesome!
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<apritzel> did you need much to get the 32-bit kernel booting?
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<apritzel> ssvb: this 32bit/64bit interoperability is going to be very interesting
<apritzel> ssvb: I have some ideas, ping me when you wake up from your well-earned sleep ;-)
<Quintus23M> ssvb: so we could probably can run the pine in 32- and in 64-bit mode, I'd love to use it in both variants
<Quintus23M> ssvb: so we could probably run the pine in 32- and in 64-bit mode, I'd love to use it in both variants
<apritzel> Quintus23M: seems like we need to work out how this should be presented to the user, as not many people have done this before
<apritzel> so far most ARM boards are used exclusively either with 32-bit or 64-bit
<Quintus23M> apritzel: agreed, I can imagine some use cases when 32bit is needed, but you can stick with a single cheap hardware
<apritzel> well, the Cortex cores and Linux provide a compat mode, so you can run either a complete 32-bit userland on a 64-bit kernel or 32-bit programs alongside 64-bit programs on a 64-bit kernel
<apritzel> very much like x86, actually
<Quintus23M> apritzel: we're using arm boards as build servers for building and testing docker images for ARMv7 and Aarch64
<apritzel> also KVM provides the same interoperability like on x86
<apritzel> so you can run a 32-bit guest kernel (and userland) on a 64-bit host
<Quintus23M> apritzel: so we could run this on a single hardware, with different kernels - no two different boards needed!
<apritzel> but technically you wouldn't need a 32-bit for this
<apritzel> *kernel*
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<apritzel> you can do this with a 64-bit kernel, just mounting any 32-bit rootfs
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<Quintus23M> nope, I think we really need the 32bit kernel for some testing to be 100% compatible
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<KotCzarny> shouldn't all h3 based device pages be edited to fix H3@1.6GHz marketing trash talk?
<KotCzarny> because they are really meant to run @1.2, and anything higher is OC
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<tkaiser> KotCzarny: 1296 MHz should also be safe and can be used after applying ssvb's patch: https://github.com/ssvb/linux-sunxi/commit/589da2af30717333bf9a287dcb467a07e18c1472
<tkaiser> With 1.3GHz it's still no 'illegal' overvolting
<KotCzarny> tkaiser: without heatsink even 1200 is a bit too much under full load
<KotCzarny> if one doesnt want to exceed 80C then 1008 is suggested
<tkaiser> No, that's what thermal throttling is for
<KotCzarny> yes
<KotCzarny> but think about it, 1008 seems like STABLE temp. under load, and 1200/1296 as turbo for short periods of load
<KotCzarny> and i agree, with heatsink it might be possible to run 1200/1296 all the time, most of devices are bare tho
<KotCzarny> s/heatsink/good heatsink/
<tkaiser> Where's the point? Just let thermal throttling do its job (applies to GPU too)
<tkaiser> If you fear overheating then adjust throttling (decrease the thermal values in the fex file)
<tkaiser> Then using the right cpufreq settings you get good single threaded performance at 1.2/1.3 GHz and under full load the SoC will stay at the temperature level you decided
<KotCzarny> i dont fear about overheating, i just want true rating for devices. and that rating is the one that can be ran for extended periods of time, not when used for temporary boosts
<KotCzarny> if you run compile farm and they throttle down, which freq would you take for compile time calculations?
<tkaiser> You should really setup Virtualbox with a x64 Ubuntu inside when you still think about 'compile farms' ;)
<KotCzarny> i'm not saying that with the right tinkering (os and physical) you can get stable 1.3 or 1.4, i'm just saying that aw rated those cpus for 1.2
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<KotCzarny> and people should be aware what is possible when not using heatsink/fan
<tkaiser> If I would think about a compile farm I would take the price per unit, dvfs settings, consumption under load and heat dissipation into account. And then most likely end up with the highest cpufreq at a relatively low voltage level (consumption and heat) and use a few more nodes
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<Azathtot> msg NickServ REGISTER qZsl7890ls
<KotCzarny> fail.
<Azathtot> yep :)
<KotCzarny> :)
<Azathtot> It's a temp password
<montjoie> thats why my password is HELP:)
<montjoie> does anyone see why with https://bpaste.net/show/ebe9a97e2e37 I stil got "sun8i-emac 1c30000.ethernet: could not find pctldev for node /soc/gmac_rgmii@0, deferring probe"
<Azathtot> I'm use a cat as password generator
<KotCzarny> Azathtot: apt-get install pwgen
<Azathtot> bash: apt-get: command not found
<Azathtot> I'm a Slackware user :)
<KotCzarny> same, but you get the idea ;)
<Azathtot> Cat is more random engine
<KotCzarny> depends on the source sink
<Azathtot> Norway forest.
<KotCzarny> audio in?
<KotCzarny> or hearing voices?
<Azathtot> I'm talk about animal :)
<Azathtot> Put cat on keyboard and hi walks other it a few time. Password is ready
<Azathtot> * over
<KotCzarny> what if it submits your private photos to your boss in the meantime?
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<Azathtot> Hmm... send mail to myself?
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<vishnu_> mripard: for a83t reset node names doesn't make sense as ahb1 clock reset are present in different registers
<apritzel> Azathtot: KotCzarny: Other Slackware users! Amazing!
<vishnu_> so can we just name resets to reset0, reset1.... instead of ahb1_reset, apb1_reset ?
<KotCzarny> apritzel: you know slack already has official arm branch?
<apritzel> aarch64
<KotCzarny> ahm
<apritzel> and the official ARM one is SoftFP, right
<KotCzarny> Support for Banana Pi now in -current
<KotCzarny> wow
<apritzel> in fact I have pimped the build scripts to cross compile to virtually anything
<Azathtot> apritzel, KotCzarny and I try to build Slackware arm for BananaPi with hardfloat
<apritzel> my build scripts can build for armhf as well
<Azathtot> apritzel with chroot or no?
<apritzel> it's just that Pat lost me with his frequent updates
<apritzel> cross build from x86-64
<apritzel> last year
<Azathtot> Me to\
<MoeIcenowy> soft or softfp?
<KotCzarny> apritzel: how about adding that info to sunxi wiki?
<MoeIcenowy> if it's soft, it's terrible
<apritzel> yeah, thats the problem
<MoeIcenowy> if it's softfp, although not the best, it can still be accepted
<apritzel> there is some hardfp Slackware from alient
<apritzel> alien
<KotCzarny> or even better, slarm.linux-sunxi.org cname
<apritzel> but that's not really up-to-date, AFAIK
<Azathtot> I read his blog. But I need cedar and other features
<apritzel> btw, whats your opinion about that pulseaudio thing?
<Azathtot> and I build Enlightenment as DE
<Azathtot> pulse is good idea for BT earphones
<KotCzarny> pa is evil
<Azathtot> use it on BB
<apritzel> KotCzarny: thought so, too ;-)
<apritzel> OK, lunch here, tty l8er
<KotCzarny> all the things you need you can do with alsa, and you can write own alsa modules too
<Azathtot> BTW, skype is not working with alsa
<KotCzarny> skype is m$, do you expect them to care much about linux?
<Azathtot> skype 4.3 is work fine under linux whit multlibs
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<buZz> skype isnt private
<Azathtot> And what?
<buZz> check snowdens docs
<Azathtot> I need no extra privacy for technical and common talks
<MoeIcenowy> Azathtot: not working with alsa?
<MoeIcenowy> what do you mean?
<Azathtot> Not working. Since 4.3
<MoeIcenowy> alsa pulse plugin or raw alsa?
<Azathtot> alsa pulse plugin
<Azathtot> * use alsa pulse plugin
<buZz> Azathtot: its not 'extra' its just normal privacy :P
<Azathtot> raw alsa is not workinh since 4.3
<MoeIcenowy> Azathtot: multilib or pure 32-bit?
<Azathtot> multilib
<KotCzarny> libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 (0xb24d5000)
<KotCzarny> is it me or it just uses gstreamer ?
<plaes> skype?
<KotCzarny> /tmp/skype-4.3.0.37
<KotCzarny> no pa, no alsa
<KotCzarny> only audio related libs is just gst (unless they compiled something statically)
<Azathtot> And microphone works too?
<KotCzarny> didnt try, just looked what libs it links to
<plaes> this is weird
<KotCzarny> Azathtot: i bet its just your pa blocks gst
<plaes> I don't see any gst stuff
<KotCzarny> libgstapp-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0 (0xb2602000)
<KotCzarny> libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0 (0xb25f2000)
<KotCzarny> libgstpbutils-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstpbutils-0.10.so.0 (0xb25d5000)
<KotCzarny> libgstvideo-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstvideo-0.10.so.0 (0xb25c2000)
<KotCzarny> libgstbase-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0 (0xb2588000)
<KotCzarny> libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 (0xb24d5000)
<KotCzarny> unless its taken from qt
<plaes> yeah.. probably
<Azathtot> left you for a few minutes
<KotCzarny> libQtWebKit
<plaes> dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.5.1-r1:5::gentoo USE="jit multimedia opengl printsupport -debug -geolocation -gstreamer -gstreamer010 -orientation -qml {-test} -webchannel -webp"
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<wens> montjoie: the pinctrl node should be under the pio node
<wens> montjoie: see the other .dtsi files
<jelle> the pmu in the orange pi pc is pretty simple right?
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<montjoie> thanks wens it works. But still no emac on A83T:(
<montjoie> and on a20 the gmac_rgmii is not under pio node
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<MoeIcenowy> jelle: I think it have even on pmu
<MoeIcenowy> s/on/no
<jelle> MoeIcenowy: oh hrrm wel it has the SY8106A
* jelle is a hardware noob
<Azathtot> KotCzarny: Are you here?
<KotCzarny> kind of
<Azathtot> Where in Slack source placed
<jelle> MoeIcenowy: ah it has a just a voltage regulator
<Azathtot> * slack source tree located sources of init?
<KotCzarny> what init?
<Azathtot> usualy /init :)
<Azathtot> yes. which folder, if you remember it
<Azathtot> TNX
<wens> montjoie: the definition is under "pio: pinctrl@01c20800 {"
<KotCzarny> tkaiser: this clearly states that aw considered 1.2ghz as a max freq for h3 (not counting oc) http://linux-sunxi.org/Orange_Pi_PC#CPU_clock_speed_limit
<wens> montjoie: you then reference it under the gmac/emac node in the board dts
<wens> montjoie: remember the DT is a tree, with phandle references to labels
<jelle> MoeIcenowy: trying to figure out what's required for the SY8106A u-boot driver basically
<topi`> I wonder why A64's max clocks are at 1.2ghz where competing vendors, like Amlogic, have S905 with 2.0ghz cortex-a53 cores?
<topi`> and by judging some reviews, that chip can actually maintain those frequency levels
<topi`> it must be so that Allwinner uses a cheaper, slower node than Amlogic, although both probably use some sort of 28nm process
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<KotCzarny> that s905 seems nice
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<tmeyer> anybody else tried this?
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<WarheadsSE> that's cedar, by description, which is not gles.
<tmeyer> it's kodi + vdpau-sunxi
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<WarheadsSE> I grock that. But, cedar != gles
<WarheadsSE> there is soem gles here, but it is NOT allwinner specifici in any way.
<tmeyer> it is. it is a fork of rellla's xbmca10 repo with support for vdpau-sunxi patched in
<Azathtot> BTW. Somebody use cedrus264 for encode? When I try it I code HD video fine, but FullHD (1920x1800) has a colour line at bottom (using with ffmpeg 2.8.5)
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<rellla> tmeyer: you can ping mosterta, who did this piece of code.
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* rellla did not have time to test it by himself
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<tmeyer> rellla: will try
<rellla> tmeyer: it sadly seems, that the general interest in open source kodi solution is not that high yet ...
<rellla> accirding ti the answers in the thread.
<KotCzarny> people are lazy
<tmeyer> allwinner seems to be a no-go for many kodi devs...
<tmeyer> amlogic support seems to be in better shape
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<jstein> Hi, where can I find a compatibility list of sd cards for the Banana Pi Pro?
<KotCzarny> nowhere?
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<jstein> I try to get my two Banana Pi Pro running, but for some reason I get errors like
<jstein> <5>EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): initial error at time 1453641422: ext4_mb_generate_buddy:741[ 314.099186] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): initial error at time 1453641422: ext4_mb_generate_buddy:741
<KotCzarny> those are harmless
<KotCzarny> (kinda)
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<jstein> do you have the same problem?
<KotCzarny> yes, but on different machine (x86)
<jstein> where does this come from? I have tried 4 different SD cards already.
<Azathtot> jstein, are journaling enabled?
<jstein> Azathtot: mount says: /dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime)
<jstein> so I guess it is enabled?
<KotCzarny> dumpe2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2|grep journ
<KotCzarny> or: dumpe2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2|grep features:
<jstein> it is a bananian image by lemaker. I wished to install gentoo, but the preinstalled image it so outdated and I could not find a good howto yet. I am a bit paranoid about manipulated images....
<KotCzarny> jstein: install armbian
<KotCzarny> or build your own
<jstein> KotCzarny: grep found no "jounr"
<KotCzarny> jounr or journ ?
<Azathtot> journ
<KotCzarny> then no journal on that partition
<KotCzarny> (assuming p2 is the rootfs)
<KotCzarny> you can go with text mode one as adding x is trivial
<KotCzarny> (and explained in faq on that page)
<KotCzarny> read what's supported on each of flavours first too before choosing
<jstein> armbian looks interesting
<KotCzarny> yes, it is
<KotCzarny> but once you have working debian, you can probably easily build gentoo in chroot (or another partition) then just switch root=
<KotCzarny> also, google says that generate buddy is corruption in allocation bitmap or block group description
<tkaiser> jstein: Regarding Gentoo you could ask Laurent: http://destroyedlolo.info/BananaPI/Install/ -- he's still active in LeMaker's forum
<tkaiser> But I would prefer building Armbian: https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib
<jstein> tkaiser: thank you. I did not know this page before. The installation script looks very short. I will try it. Why do you prefer armbian?
<KotCzarny> installation script is short, but it does quite a bit of work
<KotCzarny> and if you are new, go with the prepared image first (much faster)
<tkaiser> I prefer Armbian due to the amount of supported boards
<jstein> I think I will try armbian first now and if I know more about the banana, I will try to install gentoo on a second SD card
<KotCzarny> tkaiser: armbian is also nice because igor knows what he does
<jstein> ok you convinced me
<KotCzarny> nice read if you are new with bpi
<jstein> is armbian legacy, jessy good for a start?
<KotCzarny> read what's supported and what is not supported in mainline
<KotCzarny> if it suites you, go with vanilla (mainline)
<KotCzarny> also, that page might be a little out of date
<KotCzarny> apparently we will see 4.4 (audio etc) in vanilla
<KotCzarny> but switching between kernels is also relatively simple (no reinstall needed)
<jstein> it seems armbian vanilla, jessy should work for me. I was a bit disappointed when I only found +1 year old SD card images for the Banana and also very confusing informations about "bad" sd card images. armbian gives new hope. The project looks very active. Nice.
<KotCzarny> remember to remove systemd
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> unless you dont care
<jstein> nonono
<jstein> I like systemd ;-)
<KotCzarny> perv
<jstein> I see that it is not the best solution, but I gave it a try and it works very fast and is well supported
<KotCzarny> do you boot machine often?
<KotCzarny> otherwise it makes your system worse
<jstein> We will see, if there is a better init in 3 years.
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<KotCzarny> have a nice reading
<Azathtot> systemd - fatal error in sysv/bsd init
<jstein> http://www.armbian.com/banana-pi-pro/ do I read it right, that armbian vanilla does not support the soundcard of the banana?
<KotCzarny> if you want faster boot, just remove unnecessary things
<KotCzarny> jstein: as i said, it was added in 4.4
<tkaiser> jstein: Armbian development is pretty active, we just added sensor read-outs for Banana Pro's power management unit (AXP209) and start to integrate a whole monitoring aproach that can be activated on demand
<KotCzarny> it will be added soon to armbian
<KotCzarny> its just not released yet
<KotCzarny> but if you want audio here and now, just go with legacy, and update to 4.4 once its released
<jstein> ok
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<KotCzarny> tkaiser: http://www.armbian.com/logbook/
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<tkaiser> jstein: If you're lazy you can also use the 'vanilla' image and then install just the kernel packages provided by one of our devs: http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/588-cryptsetup-and-usb-audio-in-vanilla-kernel/?p=3998 (dropbox link)
<tkaiser> Then you end up with 4.4 and audio should work
<jstein> nice
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<jstein> What is the maximum i/o that is possible with the Banana Pi Pro SD card slot? Assuming one buys a 100 MB/s write speed SD card... Can the banana write faster than 20 MB/s?
<KotCzarny> i think its even less, 16M or so
<KotCzarny> at least on bpi-m1
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<apritzel> I was wondering whether one could make use of that SDIO connector on the Pine64 for storage
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<KotCzarny> isnt sdio superset of sd?
<apritzel> I think so
<apritzel> and it's MMC2, which has 8 lines
<apritzel> so 8-bit instead of the standard 4-bit
<apritzel> so ideally an eMMC module to fit in there
<tkaiser> jstein: No need to buy a fast card. Never exceeded 20 MB/s on Banana Pi/Pro. Only interesting when you're regularly flashing OS images (like me ;)
<tkaiser> apritzel: They said already that this is not possible because they muxed necessary pins for eMMC
<tkaiser> For something different (GPIO IIRC)
<KotCzarny> well, having faster card might have one bonus, if its fast with 4k random read/write
<KotCzarny> so if it has high iops then it will be faster than generic one
<apritzel> tkaiser: so one would loose some GPIO pins on one of the connectors?
<apritzel> I could live with that ...
<apritzel> if that would give me some fast embedded storage
<tkaiser> Don't remember, would need to google 'mmc site:pine64.com'. But IIRC TL Lim said it cannot be done with their actual schematics
<KotCzarny> apritzel: dual sdcard is nice too
<tkaiser> And if I understood wens right then SD card will also be limited to 25 MB/s maximum on Pine64 since they use fixed voltage
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<apritzel> tkaiser: cheers
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<apritzel> was just thinking that we could have something like the Odroid's eMMC module
<tkaiser> Will be possible with Olimex' A64 boards. And I hope they will solve the dual voltage issue so that faster eMMC modes are possible
<apritzel> tkaiser: yeah, I read about this
<tkaiser> (lack of) I/O is a bit of a problem with Pine64
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<apritzel> actually a problem with almost every ARM board out there ;-)
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<ssvb> leviathancn: hi! how are you doing nowadays?
<KotCzarny> what is the speed of gpio?
<leviathancn> ssvb: I'm in Hong Kong right now, I've founded a start up in Shenzhen and I'm going to build rockets for the CNSA and Elon Musk right now (patent has been approved by Shenzhen patent office and we are building the prototype at the DimSumLabs(Hackerspace) right now)
<jstein> Well, I have tried the armbian legacy now and the ext4 errors are gone. Thank you!
<leviathancn> ssvb: and we have fucking deep temperatures so I'm on Vodka and in bed here in Hong Kong right now in order to survive these cold temperatures ^_^'
<leviathancn> ssvb: but it's my recent mental state (alcohole percentage) is in no way affecting my capability to build this MPD rocket which I'm right now building ;-)
<ssvb> leviathancn: nice, this sounds like an interesting project
<leviathancn> ssvb: and we are also going to build RISC-V micro processors (like the ATmega)
<leviathancn> I will most likely present a final development board at the nest chaos communication congress (together with clifford)
<leviathancn> *next
<leviathancn> ssvb: And I tell you... it's like Europe right now in Shenzhen
<leviathancn> just be patient with PCB orders from China right now... now one can move a finger with this cold
<KotCzarny> full of immigrants from syria?
<leviathancn> ssvb: and typing in bed (only place where it's warm)... too many typoes
<leviathancn> ssvb: anyways, I'll present a RISC-V micro processor and a MPD rocket at the next congress
<leviathancn> ssvb: promis! ^_^
<ssvb> leviathancn: do you still have some contacts with Allwinner? or completely moved on to these other things?
<leviathancn> ssvb: I'm in kind of a war with some of the Allwinner managers
<leviathancn> ssvb: they did prohibit my friends to further talk to me ever again
<leviathancn> so now I'm working with the Chinese space agency
<leviathancn> ssvb: we had a minor disagreement about the definition of the term "common sense"
<leviathancn> ssvb: the fact that I could make my position "clear" in Mandarin really didn't make things better... they are just crazy
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<leviathancn> anyway... right now we build RISC-V (fully GPL)
<jstein> what is the temperature in Celsius in Honkong now?
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<leviathancn> jstein: 4°c
<leviathancn> jstein: 4 degrees before water starts turning into ice
<KotCzarny> tropics
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: *sub*tropics
<leviathancn> we have winter here...
<jstein> leviathancn: well then its not really cold. Its just the temperature when you dont have cooling problems with your ARM. So you should save the Vodka for below -20 C.
<KotCzarny> winter is when vodka turns into ice
<KotCzarny> ;)
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: haha. ok! ^_^
<leviathancn> We don't have heaters here...
<leviathancn> jstein: I know Chicago has -20°C right now
<leviathancn> but at least they can hide from it in their buildings
<leviathancn> we don't have heating in the buildings
<jstein> not even electric heater? I think many people reverse the airconditioning system in winter
<KotCzarny> 40% in ~-30C
<leviathancn> jstein: not even this, most of the houses aren't designed for this kind of temperature here in Hong Kong
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: run some pc rig?
<KotCzarny> insta heater
<leviathancn> haha!
<leviathancn> would be an idea, and we actually did think about moving a 64 core system here and turn it on!
<leviathancn> bit coin mining + heating would be an idea ^_^
<KotCzarny> seal the doors/windows tho, its the first thing to make the room a bit warmer
<topi`> a surge of BTC mined in HK :)
<tkaiser> jstein: Which image did you try before? One from bananian.org or LeMaker?
<leviathancn> ssvb: are you at the next congress in hamburg?
<leviathancn> is any of you guys at the next congress in hamburg?
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<ssvb> leviathancn: what kind of congress?
<leviathancn> Chaos Communication Congress
<leviathancn> ssvb: Chaos Communication Congress
<leviathancn> also the FOSDEM
<leviathancn> and the "Hacking at Random"
<leviathancn> (especially the rocket will be a "big attraction" at the camp)
<ssvb> oh, AFAIK many people are coming to FOSDEM
<KotCzarny> big boom bada boom?
<leviathancn> ok!
<ssvb> but I'm skipping FOSDEM this year again
<topi`> no FOSDEM for me :(
<leviathancn> ssvb: HAR?? ^_^
<leviathancn> what if I present the rocket only at the HAR? ^_^
<topi`> having family is incompat w/ long distance travel
<topi`> my last FOSDEM was i think 2007 :(
<topi`> no, 2008
<leviathancn> it will be difficult for me to transport super conductors and ceramics trough all the borders anyway I think
<KotCzarny> teach your kids to hack? family activity!
<topi`> yeah :)
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: bringt them to the HAR
<leviathancn> then they can camp+hack
<leviathancn> :D
<KotCzarny> and get drunk
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: and watch a 5 meter long plasma flame from my plasma rocket
<leviathancn> :D
<KotCzarny> :)
<leviathancn> it's actually an ion thruster + mpd thruster
<leviathancn> ^_^
<leviathancn> we right now assemble it at the hackerspace in hong kong
<KotCzarny> code 'chaos controls' and let the audience control the thingie via voting
<leviathancn> for the "hackers in space" project
<ssvb> leviathancn: a RISC-V Rocket would be a bit safer thing to demonstrate ;-)
<leviathancn> haha
<leviathancn> ssvb: the rocket isn't stand alone yet
<leviathancn> we do a stand alone risc-v
<leviathancn> mirco controller
<leviathancn> in silicone
<Turl> make a live stream on 'twitch plays' style :)
<leviathancn> next year there is a risc-v in silicone (like an ATMega)
<leviathancn> with an Arduino-ish board
<leviathancn> all open source
<leviathancn> even the verilog for the risc-v
<tkaiser> leviathancn: Apropos 'open source'. Any improvements @ Allwinner before you left?
<leviathancn> tkaiser: you mean expcept verbal bashing in Mandarin with managers there?
<tkaiser> Maybe? Sort of 'mind shift'?
<KotCzarny> more like kicking anyone who wants anything
<leviathancn> tkaiser: their managers are like the crazy guys enforcing the censorshit
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: one should probably understand that its the matter of life and death for them
<leviathancn> with the motto "we kill everyone saying we are bad and then act surprised that no one likes us"
<leviathancn> I told them basically in person the trueth into their face
<leviathancn> now I'm a burned person
<leviathancn> I'm just sorry for the nice people downstairs in hirarchy with whom I was going out for drinks who aren't dicks
<KotCzarny> at least you are still alive
<leviathancn> yes
<leviathancn> because they can make more money with an engineer like me when he is a live
<leviathancn> :-)
<KotCzarny> i have heard that moneys not important
<leviathancn> that's wrong
<leviathancn> they'd like you to think it
<leviathancn> but actually it's the most important thing for them
<leviathancn> China actually out-Americas the USA
<KotCzarny> and that in chine privilegged just have access to everything (they cant resell things tho)
<leviathancn> nope
<leviathancn> basically they are even worse then USA
<leviathancn> with all money making things
<KotCzarny> no card that allows one to take everything they want?
<leviathancn> no
<leviathancn> not that I know of
<KotCzarny> someone told me such story
<leviathancn> basically it's all about "having more advantage", "making more profit"
<leviathancn> "consume, more consum"
<leviathancn> and they work so sloppy and demotivated very often
<leviathancn> and the managers only care about short term profit
<leviathancn> and because of the firewall only China is visible to them
<leviathancn> so actually I'd suggest just sending hate mails to beijing for GPL violations
<leviathancn> maybe something will change ^-$^
<leviathancn> ^-^
<jstein> after booting the armbian, it tells me the board temperature. Where is the sensor? Is it builtin in the CPU?
<KotCzarny> also, i've heard that china doesnt care about export that much
<KotCzarny> jstein: in pmu
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: yes, so just send an email to beijing
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: and that most things exported is second grade
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: actually no
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: they care more about the export stuff than the mainland one
<leviathancn> the water in Shenzhen is toxic for instance
<leviathancn> the products they export is better thant the ones in the country
<leviathancn> that's why I take a health brake in Hong Kong right now ;-)
<jelle> I've heard they have a harder time getting things from aliexpress in china then abroad o_o
<tkaiser> jstein: It depends. There are 2 (SoC and PMU) and you have to check .bashrc which one is used. In the next release this will all be done by motd: https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/tree/master/scripts/update-motd.d
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: HK has it's own non-lethal water supply :D
<leviathancn> jelle: yes, because aliexpress is ment for foreigners
<leviathancn> jelle: mainlanders are using taobao :)
<jelle> ah
<jstein> I do not understand, how it is possible to buy a sensor like BMP180 or DHT22 for Banana Pi in China and its only 2 dollars inlcuding shipping. While just shipping of the same part between two german cities is around 5 Dollars
<KotCzarny> jstein: bulk rates?
<leviathancn> yes
<jstein> (shipping to germany)
<jelle> I have the feeling the governmont sponsors some of it
<leviathancn> jelle: that's why I'm now in hong kong
<leviathancn> jelle: no censorshit but still taobao deliveries
<leviathancn> :D
<jelle> hrrm
<jstein> leviathancn: did you move to HK because of the electronic industry?
<leviathancn> jelle: basically yes
<leviathancn> jstein: originally I was moving to Shenzhen because of it
<leviathancn> but the water is just bad ass lethal
<leviathancn> I mean really
<leviathancn> and these toilets
<leviathancn> a fucking hole in the ground
<leviathancn> dafuq
<KotCzarny> at least you are not a girl
<jstein> many electronic "toys" I have bought within the last year were made in Shenzhen. Lemaker is there too, right?
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: thank god I'm not, otherwise I couldn't pee while I'm standing
<leviathancn> and all these emotional shifts
<leviathancn> god beware
<leviathancn> uh
<leviathancn> I mean Darwin beware
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: and for #2 you can always hack a chair
<leviathancn> hmm
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: that's what I did
<KotCzarny> ;)
<leviathancn> but not when I'm on my way
<leviathancn> like public toilets
<leviathancn> SEG Plaza (华强北)
<leviathancn> toilet there is just a spit ocean with a hole in the middle
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<leviathancn> the tap water kills you
<leviathancn> and the internet is censored
<leviathancn> dafuq
<Turl> you'd think they knew a thing or two about filtering #badumtss
<leviathancn> that's no condition
<leviathancn> Turl: you'd think :-)
<leviathancn> Turl: that's what I'm saying already for a long lng time: they filter the wrong stuff!
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: that's what I have in my flat in Shenzhen right now
<leviathancn> but I prefer a real sanitary installation for a permanent use
<jstein> I think the internet is censored in most places of the world. In some countries more, in some less.
<KotCzarny> monitored != censored
<leviathancn> otherwise it doesn't feel like civilization ;-)
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<leviathancn> jstein: censorship isn't monitoring
<KotCzarny> censored is when you cant access/serve stuff
<leviathancn> I mean sure... most of the countries are spying on us
<jstein> how much does a Banana Pi Pro cost in HK?
<leviathancn> like the USA, big times
<leviathancn> think PRISM
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<leviathancn> but China just actively fucks up the internet
<leviathancn> totally different calibre
<KotCzarny> censored is when you risk your life for hosting pr0n
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: +1
<leviathancn> exactly
<buZz> try risking your life by opening facebook.com
<buZz> thats more relevant
<buZz> (re: china)
<KotCzarny> who would want to go to facebook
<KotCzarny> thats for girls
<buZz> ask china
<leviathancn> monitoring and censorship of the internet in any way are IMHO crime
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: monitoring according to SANE law is a good thing
<KotCzarny> you dont want child pr0n
<KotCzarny> you dont want cults, scams etc
<leviathancn> hmm
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<buZz> leviathancn: i think censorship on information is actually against geneva humanrights convention
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: all these contents are put there by individuals in the real world
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: so if content is created it s a problem caused by society
<KotCzarny> yes, and monitoring that type of content is similar to monitoring neighbourhood for crime activity
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<jstein> one should not censor it, but delete the illegal content after a curts decision. May be a 2 week censorship without curt, to have the time for a decision...
<buZz> court*
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: depends on which layer this "monitoring" happens
<buZz> tri facta states that police should -never- have the power to act without a warrant
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: in a perfect world monitoring doesnt abuse resources it has access to
<buZz> which is what they are pushing for now, based on narrative similar to KotCzarny's here
<leviathancn> lm
<leviathancn> ok
<buZz> 'what about the child porn!' -> ends up getting used to take offline torrent trackers
<leviathancn> we just started a basis discussion
<leviathancn> ^_^
<buZz> ;)
<leviathancn> I think the best thing would be to settle
<KotCzarny> unluckily we dont live in a perfect world
<leviathancn> a) censorship is evil
<buZz> sorry, one of those days :D
<leviathancn> b) monitoring for keeping the bad guys busy is good
<buZz> fun about b) , dutch popo monitors twitter to find 'hate speech' yet, they only ACT when you insult cops on twitter
<buZz> :D
<leviathancn> but then we have serious problem... who decides what is bad
<buZz> normally a judge
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: depends on the system in the state
<buZz> you cant cast judgement without being a judge
<leviathancn> hmm
<leviathancn> China? ...
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<KotCzarny> but, no matter what system, people tend to twist it to the dark side
<KotCzarny> so its the people that is the problem. solution? remove people
<buZz> well, happy we have tor nowadays
<buZz> and US gov funding tor endpoints :P
<leviathancn> maybe a democratic approach for a deletion rule list would be the safest?
<KotCzarny> nope
<KotCzarny> democratic systems are twisted by propaganda
<buZz> leviathancn: representative democracy is mostly not democratic at all
<leviathancn> then how to decide reliable criterias for what is bad and what isn't for removal of websites?
<buZz> imho, just allow everything
<leviathancn> buZz: that's what I was thinking too
<buZz> gov has no place to decide what teenagers can talk about on habbohotel
<KotCzarny> allow everything, but hunt for the law breakers
<buZz> nor what language i use in a cracklist ad
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: exactly
<buZz> yeah, illegal stuff should be hunted as is normal
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: I mean some left over child pr0n might even save the live of recent children
<buZz> there shouldnt be any need for new laws for it
<leviathancn> and if someone actually shows criminal behavious
<leviathancn> put him away
<KotCzarny> btw. it also depends on the subcivilisation that one lives in
<leviathancn> what's on the web, stays on the web
<leviathancn> hmm
<KotCzarny> we are talking about mostly western culture
<leviathancn> yes
<leviathancn> like Arabia has totally different issues
<leviathancn> like Haram and Hallal stuff and so on
<leviathancn> or the Chinese with... pro-Tencent or more like everything-provider
* vagrantc wonders if /topic should be updated...
<KotCzarny> vagrantc: its sunday afternon
<leviathancn> vagrantc: sorry ^_^'
<libv> leviathancn: so i take it that allwinner was not that good an employer then
<libv> leviathancn: thanks for whatever difference you did manage to make
<leviathancn> libv: my difference was that I just told them the truth into the face
<leviathancn> to the highest layer of the management
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<buZz> what difference did that make?
<KotCzarny> highest layer is probably more political than technical/managerial
<libv> well, guess why so many companies are constantly trying to hire me :p
<buZz> libv: cause you come in snacksized package with toy included?
<leviathancn> well, that I like to just choke some of their manager
<leviathancn> and then hit them into the face
<buZz> wait, did you want us to guess?
<leviathancn> and then choke them again
<leviathancn> and then hit them again
<leviathancn> over and over again
<buZz> leviathancn: did that work out well?
<leviathancn> no
<buZz> who expected that :D
* buZz raises hand
<leviathancn> basically that's what I wanted to do during this meeting
<KotCzarny> oh, so you didnt?
<leviathancn> arrogance++
<leviathancn> no
<buZz> you're more of a manager then?
<KotCzarny> probably that's why you are still alive
<leviathancn> I mean the engineers are nice guys
<buZz> all talk , no action?
<buZz> :)
<leviathancn> these guys are actually bigger than me :-(
<leviathancn> bigger!!
<leviathancn> Chinese
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<KotCzarny> :)
<buZz> leviathancn: i learned in martial arts training, the bigger they are, the harder they fall
<KotCzarny> buzz: remember they are chinese
<leviathancn> anyway
<Turl> buZz: and the longer it takes
<buZz> thats no problem , i trained against japanese
<buZz> Turl: but dat momentum!
<leviathancn> and it's really like "they ask what they are doing wrong" - "you tell them" - *they ignore you* "they ask what they are doing wrong"
<KotCzarny> tell them again
<leviathancn> impossible
<Turl> at least they ask you :p
<libv> leviathancn: that pattern was visible with allwinner (and other vendors) before
<leviathancn> they now ignore me
<leviathancn> well
<leviathancn> now I'm physically there
<leviathancn> so I just go there and beat them
<KotCzarny> you have a rocket
<buZz> leviathancn: usually when ppl ask 'what am i doing wrong' they just dont expect honest answers :P
<KotCzarny> just dont start world war III
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<buZz> nah start it
<buZz> peace is boring
<KotCzarny> i like my banana :P
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: "the warp drive was invented in montantana after ww3"
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: you may enjoy it if you are alive by then
<leviathancn> I have some private addresses of some allwinner employees
<leviathancn> maybe I get some more specs :-)
<buZz> leviathancn: could you get me one of those booth tshirts? :D
* buZz searches pics
<leviathancn> buZz: ok :-)
<buZz> <3
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<leviathancn> since their company doesn't give a fuck about laws, why should I? ^_^
<KotCzarny> maybe you dont know some hidden law codex they obey, and the laws you know are only for the foreigners confusion?
<leviathancn> they follow the typical mainland rules "close enough to what we intended to accomplish, let's ship it"
<buZz> leviathancn: this shirt ; http://i.imgur.com/AJO2oxG.jpg
<leviathancn> buZz: shouldn't be too hard to get, I ask a guy from there
<buZz> you would make me such a happy buZz
<buZz> :)
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: Basically there is just one rule: "Don't say anything against the party"
<leviathancn> everything else is irellevant
<KotCzarny> leviathancn: yup, thought so
<leviathancn> I was writing a nice email in mandarin to the Chinese space agency
<leviathancn> saying like
<leviathancn> I don't like your firewall, you don't like that I don't like the firewall in mainland
<leviathancn> but I need your industry to build my rocket
<leviathancn> and you you like my rocket
<leviathancn> so I build it in Hong Kong and you can over and help with it when you like it
<leviathancn> looking forward to a cooperation
<leviathancn> omfg
<leviathancn> that went to beijing
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<KotCzarny> :)
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<leviathancn> well
<leviathancn> maybe we really need to hong-kong-ify people in mainland a little more before they start realizing how free software really works
<KotCzarny> if they only care about selling more, its not gonna work
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<leviathancn> KotCzarny: that's what I told them
<leviathancn> Many Chinese say "We are not stupid"
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<leviathancn> basically: "yes they are are"
<leviathancn> there are many stupid people
<leviathancn> not all
<leviathancn> but many
<leviathancn> and the only advantage are a few smart enough to build nukes
<KotCzarny> isnt it the same truth everywhere
<leviathancn> yes
<leviathancn> basically yes
<leviathancn> so the fact is is
<leviathancn> they are just humans
<leviathancn> :-)
<leviathancn> just different
<leviathancn> hmm
<KotCzarny> not that much, same vices and pleasure spots
<leviathancn> a lizard trying to understand this culture-thing people are talking about
<leviathancn> hmm
<leviathancn> but this free software thingy was the most evolved about humans I've seen so far, hope I can teach this to my coworkers now
<leviathancn> ^_^
<KotCzarny> free software is about letting go of control
<leviathancn> and trust at the same time
<KotCzarny> and sharing for free
<leviathancn> yes
<leviathancn> sharing
<leviathancn> not donating without any paypack ever
<leviathancn> to a guy who makes profit with your efforts
<leviathancn> and showing you the middle finger afterwards
<leviathancn> that makes my primeval instincts come up of wanting to rip this individual appart
<KotCzarny> otoh lots of 'i made this! littl man coming: ooh, a free software, i-made-this!'
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<leviathancn> KotCzarny: yes
<leviathancn> dafuq
<leviathancn> they should just honor the free software ideals
<leviathancn> not just think: oh, it's for free, let's just tak it
<Turl> ssvb: btw, I used sunxi-fel the other day, it has grown to be a really great tool :)
<leviathancn> well
<leviathancn> our startup will do things right now
<leviathancn> with the rocket and this risc-v chip
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<leviathancn> hopefully we can teach these mainlanders how free software really works
<KotCzarny> are there any patents in china?
<Turl> ssvb: the only inconvenience I spotted is that it insisted at times that the device wasn't there, but running the tool a second time worked
<ssvb> Turl: maybe it was really not there yet (you tried to run it too soon after powering the device up)? we could make sunxi-fel wait for the device instead of failing
<Turl> ssvb: it may be that, I don't know how much it takes for it to enumerate, I should check with lsusb
<ssvb> Turl: in fact, you can probably patch it yourself and contribute this improvement to sunxi-tools :-)
<Turl> ssvb: yeah, I'll look into it :)
<ssvb> thanks!
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: I patented my rocket ^_^
<Turl> don't mention it :) you guys did all the hard work already
<Turl> it's actually pretty fast (~500K/s) so I've gone ethernetless lately to do test boots
<KotCzarny> anyway, sleepy time, nite nite
<leviathancn> KotCzarny: gn8
<leviathancn> ^^
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<leviathancn> This bad image they get when people just disappear from HK... or not giving a shit about international laws or anything...
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<leviathancn> international troll would a good description
<leviathancn> anyway
<leviathancn> now I'm in Hong Kong
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<leviathancn> I can use their industry and still can be in an evolved area of this planet
<leviathancn> HK is actually the best place
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<leviathancn> as long as you keep the head down and don't sell print outs of criticism in a book shop >_>
<leviathancn> they like to make people believe they know how the internet works but the way they censor I bet they don't know what IRC is xD
<leviathancn> so I'll sleep now, and in a year I present cool hardware
<leviathancn> :-)
<leviathancn> chips for the FOSDEM
<leviathancn> rockets for the HAR
<lamer14536623308> leviathancn: Out of curiosity: Do you know a 'Mr. Xiong' from Allwinner?
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<montjoie> does someone know what means gmac_power1 = "vcc-ephy-io:3300000" in fex file ? what driver use/configure that ?
<ilya-fedin> Hello, I have Sunchip SDK-758, when for it create kernel and u-boot? I need swap. "Kernel and u-boot are currently WIP" is written at wiki.
<ssvb> montjoie: Use the Source Luke :-)
<ssvb> montjoie: I mean, try to grep the Allwinner's SDK
<KotCzarny> its only mentioned in cubietruck
<KotCzarny> (according to google)
<montjoie> grep in progress
<KotCzarny> not mentioned but related by name?
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<ilya-fedin> montjoie: Perhaps someone knows when it created? Or I can I can affect it? Or there is a beta? The matter is that the device rolls idle, it kill programs necessary to me.
<montjoie> so it is used by a regulator subsystem
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<ssvb> apritzel: 4.5-rc1 is out :-)
<ssvb> thanks for the A64 notes in the wiki by the way
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<ssvb> the 32-bit kernel did not require any changes, just psci had to be disabled in the dts because u-boot does not provide it yet
<ssvb> if we ignore the 64-bit aspect of A64, then it is very similar to other Allwinner SoCs and is relatively easy to support
<Turl> ssvb: are registers 32 or 64b wide?
<ssvb> Turl: Allwinner A64 starts in the AArch32 state, and if we do nothing special, then it works just like an ordinary 32-bit processor - http://linux-sunxi.org/Arm64
<ssvb> backwards compatibility FTW
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<ssvb> apritzel: if we use ATF, what would be a better place to insert it in the boot chain?
<ssvb> something like "32-bit SPL -> warm reset -> ATF -> 64-bit U-Boot -> 64-bit kernel" or "32-bit SPL -> 32-bit U-Boot -> warm reset -> ATF -> 64-bit kernel"?
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<Turl> ssvb: interesting :)
<Turl> ssvb: do we have any news about the R18?
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<ssvb> Turl: R18?
<ssvb> it's probably best to ask Pine64 people
<ssvb> about what is the difference between A64 and R18
<Turl> ssvb: that board looks like a pine64, so maybe it's pin compat
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<ssvb> then we also have a mysterious H64 - https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Remix+Mini+Teardown/54176
<Turl> ssvb: someone took the time to document them :) https://linux-sunxi.org/Allwinner_SoC_Family
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<Quintus23M> Turl: I think they Pine guys had used the R18 in the beginning of their design and swapped to with A64 later on
<ssvb> is Allwinner probably trolling us and all of these are just exactly the same thing with a different label? :-)
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<Turl> maybe it's their way to bin chips :p who knows
<Turl> bbl :)
<ssvb> "A64" has a nice 64-bit vibe to it, while "R18" is just some generic name
<Quintus23M> the R8 in the C.H.I.P. is reported as a A13 with "sunxi-fel version", so just different labels
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<apritzel> ssvb: I'd prefer "32-bit SPL -> warm reset -> ATF -> 64-bit U-Boot -> 64-bit kernel"
<apritzel> in 64-bit U-Boot we could provide two boot<x> versions:
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<apritzel> bootz would drop to 32-bit and start a 32-bit kernel
<apritzel> booti would start a 64-bit kernel
<apritzel> booti is the existing U-Boot command to boot the arm64 kernel image
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<apritzel> ssvb: indeed I wrote the Arm64 wiki page with you in mind ;-)
<apritzel> and yes, I saw -rc1 ....
<apritzel> I am about to write proper commit messages and have rebased upon mripard/sunxi/for-next
<apritzel> but I still need to find a bug with the bus-gates-clk driver :-(
<apritzel> using fixed-clock for the UART works, but with the proper clock it stops
<apritzel> not sure if the H3 bus-gates-clk isn't as compatible as I thought
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<apritzel> ssvb: thinking again of the U-Boot / ATF order: actually the other way might be cleaner to implement
<apritzel> since we could use two different entry points in ATF to do the 32-bit drop for us
<apritzel> I will ask the authors tomorrow
<apritzel> also I fail to see what a 64-bit U-Boot would give us
<apritzel> this just may bite us if Allwinner ever comes up with a SoC that supports more than 3GB of RAM
<apritzel> 64-bit SoC, that is. Though we could still access all the memory via LPAE ...