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<BW^-> Hi, are an RK3299 SBC:s coming out?
<BW^-> I'd like something small without onboard flash and without wifi. Similar form factor to Odroid C2, Raspberry, NanoPi etc.
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<BW^-> also, time to document the 3299 on the Wiki!
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<stdint> from I known, no
<stdint> only new rk3288 would release a new board
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<wadim_> is rockchip.wikidot.com maintained by rockchip?
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<BW^-> stdint: sorry, I meant RK3399 - when do you believe we'll see SBC:s?
<stdint> what is SBC?
<BW^-> stdint: Single Board Computer
<BW^-> stdint: apparently a board called "Excavator" with the RK3399 should come out.. or be out??
<stdint> it is a public evb board
<stdint> may not be sold to public
<BW^-> ah.
<BW^-> stdint: any idea what the price and size will be??
<stdint> I may this board may only available to those customer to rockchip directly
<BW^-> stdint: that would not be a problem with me, I am close to China and can buy directly.
<stdint> the size is same as the former rk3288 evb board
<stdint> I don't think the a IC design company would sell a board
<wens> got my C201, booting chromeos kernel with debian yields a black lcd panel, but the system seems to be running :/
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<BW^-> stdint: the MiQi board guys already responded and said they're up to making an RK3399 board. cool.
<stdint> the price is about RMB 1500/3000(core/suite) without panel included
<stdint> maybe it is based on android, I have not received those order yet
<stdint> I am always the last to know
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<stdint> but the VPU driver is currently working in process
<stdint> if the rk3399 SBC released, I am sure it would have a better support in video for linux
<BW^-> stdint: VPU?
<BW^-> stdint: on what continent are you located? :))
<stdint> the video acceleration unit
<stdint> hardware encoder and decoder
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<BW^-> ah.
<BW^-> stdint: well, sine the MiQi guys said they can do RK3399:s, then I guess all is totally cool!
<BW^-> AND, they said the chip is 20 USD
<BW^-> so basically cheap
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<BW^-> stdint: and bc it has PCIe, it can even do NVME SSD drives which have 400 000 IOPS
<BW^-> so it's just about extremely interesting!!
<stdint> but the price of SSD are not
<BW^-> indeed.
<BW^-> SATA drives are preferable for now, are half price.
<stdint> no sata controller here
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<BW^-> ah, good point.
<BW^-> so i'd need to bring that one myself.
<BW^-> you know what, NVME actually is OK priced, at 512GB
<BW^-> we're talking 179 USD for 512GB, that is really not bad.
<BW^-> stdint: that's approx the same per-GB price as you get mSATA drives for
<rperier> hello
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<stdint> paulk-collins, do you meet high speed problem with emmc ?
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<paulk-collins> stdint, well, not sure if it's about high-speed, but it fails to read the partition table quite often
<paulk-collins> stdint, in particular after reset
<stdint> paulk-collins, in u-boot or linux?
<stdint> in the linux, looks fine to me
<stdint> but in the u-boot, it is the mmc dev is not selected
<wadim_> I have similar eMMC problems :( https://marc.info/?l=linux-mmc&m=147265351809711&w=3
<BW^-> stdint,paulk-collins,wadim_: hey, generally, do you feel the RK3399 is a stable SoC platform?
<stdint> that is rk3288, and not
<stdint> the android for rk3399 is
<stdint> but linux is not, only chrome become stable
<stdint> the emmc staff is quit busy recently
<stdint> but I am thinking the voltage problem
<stdint> maybe disable the high speed would help
<paulk-collins> stdint, that's in mainline linux
<paulk-collins> stdint, sometimes works great, sometimes fails at the exact same point
<paulk-collins> stdint, same clock phase is used both when it works and fails
<stdint> paulk-collins, I know that, I have meet such thing before
<paulk-collins> it fails when reading the partition table
<paulk-collins> but otherwise still detect the card
<stdint> the problem is the voltage for emmc can't archive 1.8v
<stdint> the log wadim_ gave me shows that the problem happened in switch 3.3v to 1.8v
<paulk-collins> ahh
<paulk-collins> stdint, in my case it's not during the switch
<paulk-collins> at least it seems
<paulk-collins> but maybe so
<paulk-collins> I'll investigate it more
<paulk-collins> stdint, what's the solution then?
<stdint> just disable those high speed proprieties in dts
<BW^-> stdint: wait.. eMMC as in onboard flash access, had problems?
<BW^-> stdint,paulk-collins: okay - except for the onboard flash interface, how do you experience it?
<stdint> no the problem is PMIC
<BW^-> stdint,paulk-collins: how is the power controller related to onboard flash access issues?
<stdint> and hardware design, some board vendor using the 3.3 as pull up voltage in all data lines for emmc
<BW^-> stdint,paulk-collins: anyhow - except for the onboard flash access, is there any operational issue?
<BW^-> stdint,paulk-collins: overheat? instability in any other respect?
<BW^-> stdint: wait, can you describe the problem further?
<stdint> there are two known bugs in rk3288
<BW^-> i don't understand what/why/how "using 3.3V as pull-up from the PMIC" is an issue
<stdint> 1. the usb reset 2. vpu reset
<BW^-> stdint: USB reset as in sometimes USB devices reset, how big issue is that+
<BW^-> ?
<BW^-> how frequent?
<stdint> no
<BW^-> ah, then what?
<stdint> you may google it in patchwork
<stdint> I am too lazy to tell the whole story
<BW^-> stdint: ok i will
<BW^-> stdint: and the VPU was some graphics problem?
<BW^-> stdint: I don't find the issues online, on a quick search
<BW^-> anyhow
<BW^-> stdint: for the RK3399, any known issues?
<paulk-collins> stdint, ok thanks, I'll look into that then
<BW^-> stdint: also, can the RK3288 USB and VPU issues be patched through, or are those "hard" issues that bug you forever?
<paulk-collins> stdint, it still works fine with the chromeos-3.14 kernel though
<BW^-> paulk-collins: what do you say?
<paulk-collins> stdint, regarding USB, I investigated more
<paulk-collins> stdint, it appears to happen when the USB Wi-Fi dongle enters power saving mode
<stdint> I am trying to find a usb dongle
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<BW^-> paulk-collins: and what was the issue?
<paulk-collins> stdint, thanks
<stdint> also the usb patch need a new version
<paulk-collins> BW^-, usb being broken
<stdint> after release a new version I would know whether could solve the problem
<stdint> but most of wireless device here are sdio
<BW^-> paulk-collins: like, how broken? totally unreliable??
<paulk-collins> BW^-, justs gets I/O errors after entering suspend
<BW^-> paulk-collins: but only in several Linux distros, not on Android?
<paulk-collins> BW^-, I didn't try Android at all
<paulk-collins> this is with mainline
<BW^-> paulk-collins: aha, so, if I never ever suspend but only poweron/poweroff/hard-reboot, I won't experience the issue. correct?
<paulk-collins> it works with chromeos-3.14
<paulk-collins> BW^-, no, it's about USB device suspend
<paulk-collins> not system suspend
<BW^-> paulk-collins: aha, so ChromeOS-3.14 has proper USB behavior, and Linux has proper USB behavior too only that if you suspend and resume the laptop then USB crashed?
<BW^-> ahaaaaaa
<BW^-> paulk-collins: when an USB device goes into power savings mode, aha, okay
<BW^-> paulk-collins: gotcha.
<stdint> not S3 resume
<stdint> it is only about the usb system
<BW^-> paulk-collins: so on mainline Linux that is a problem, on ChromeOS-3.14 it's not - that's all?
<BW^-> gotcha.
<BW^-> okay!
<BW^-> paulk-collins: what's the VPU problem about?
<stdint> just go and look usb: dwc2: assert phy reset when waking up in rk3288 platform
<paulk-collins> stdint, that's a different issue from what I'm having though, right?
<stdint> which one?
<BW^-> aha
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: except for that USB sleep bug and the VPU problem, does the RK3288 work *perfectly* - no overheat, sudden crashes, memory corruption, or other issues???
<stdint> then no
<stdint> I trust google
<paulk-collins> stdint, I mean, the issue that happens with USB low power mode is not the same as the one your series fixes?
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: ?
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: otherwise perfetly stable, in your experience?
<stdint> not worse than sunxi
<stdint> paulk-collins, have you tried to disable the power save mode in wireless?
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<paulk-collins> stdint, I could try that
<stdint> then without the wireless dongle I can't sure
<paulk-collins> stdint, do you need one?
<paulk-collins> depending on where you're based, I could perhaps send you one
<stdint> China, not in Europe
<stdint> China mainland
<paulk-collins> ah, sounds hard
<paulk-collins> I'm in France
<stdint> :P
<BW^-> stdint: what do you mean by "not worse than sunxi[Allwinner SoC:s]" - did you have stability issues with them?
<BW^-> i mean
<BW^-> if you run an email server on your RocketChip
<paulk-collins> stdint, well otherwise there are cheap ones on e.g. aliexpress
<BW^-> how often do you need to reboot it?
<BW^-> do they crash?
<BW^-> do they malfunction?
<stdint> BW^-, it is stable to work as a tv box
<paulk-collins> BW^-, you should probably ask a rockchip rep about tho
<paulk-collins> this
<BW^-> mh
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: well, if it's stable for TV (and you never shut it down), you should be able to do any other server activity from it too
<BW^-> of course non-ECC RAM will bitflip sometimes, so reboots will happen
<BW^-> but there is an important difference between a production-use-ready SoC, and a crappy buggy SoC
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: I understand you're saying it's production-ready.
<BW^-> it's good solid stuff.
<stdint> I didn't know a ARM chip support EEC RAM
<BW^-> stdint: maybe the Cavium ThunderX does, and the X-Gene1. others don't.
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<stdint> paulk-collins, I could buy it local
<stdint> but those are not open source
<BW^-> paulk-collins,stdint: so basically the Rockchip works perfectly in your experience.
<BW^-> very well.
<BW^-> thanks for letting me know! =)
<paulk-collins> stdint, try to look for AR9271
<paulk-collins> stdint, ath9k_htc ones
<paulk-collins> stdint, aliexpress has some
<stdint> I have many atheros sdio wireless
<stdint> WNA1100 150M USB
<BW^-> i'll be going.
<BW^-> thanks again for sharing.
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<stdint> paulk-collins, if that model is ok, I would order one
<paulk-collins> stdint, there's a list at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k_htc/devices
<paulk-collins> stdint, WNA1100 looks good!
<stdint> then I would buy one
<paulk-collins> great!
<stdint> paulk-collins, my supervisor told me somebody may know that, I have forwarded you mail to hom
<paulk-collins> stdint, aweome!
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