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<dead>
is the ipfs-update tool no longer supported?
<dead>
dist.ipfs.io is down ?
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
hi guys, are there any apps built on top of ipfs that could be used as secure storage with encryption?
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<hsn>
lot
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
<M59NAA8GT7111114 "well you could just manually enc"> that i could. what about 100k per day? π or use it as a replacement for the `(*)cloud` apps or Google Drive
<DanielMaricic[m]>
or sharing with people. that would be a nice addition to the ipfs ecosystem
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
lets say there is an app that creates node, strage and all things needed to host your own files and still be awailable to public. would then be close to replacing the google drive?
<DanielMaricic[m]>
* lets say there is an app that creates node, storage and all things needed to host your own files and still be awailable to public. would then be close to replacing the google drive?
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
yeah, it has been long time in the development, i'm following the ecosystem for 2 years now and it strikes me that nobody inplemented an app that i as a user can have as a replacement for google drive even if i need to pay for the server and the storage( s3 google bucket). now, when IPID is being developed i see this as a crucial step towards accepting any kind of SSI because without real world use case any SSI is doom
<Fns[m]>
<DanielMaricic[m] "yeah, it has been long time in t"> Maybe because it's not what IPFS is about?
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<Fns[m]>
If you have a server that you want to use for storing and sharing files with others, there a re a lot of projects that do exactly that. For example OwnCloud/NextCloud.
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
i fail to understand hof ipFileSystem is not about empowering the people to use decentralised solution
<DanielMaricic[m]>
* i fail to understand hof ipFileSystem is not about empowering the people to use decentralised/distributed solution
<DanielMaricic[m]>
in any case, my question is anwered π
<Fns[m]>
It is a decentralized distribution solution rather then a decentralized resilient storage solution
<Fns[m]>
It still allows you to store files on your host and easily share it with others. But it still depends on your host being online initially till someone else, who is interested in the file, downloads it, then it depends on either of you being online
<Fns[m]>
<M59NAA8GT7111114 "unless you use ipfs-cluster of c"> Well, then it depends on at least one of the cluster nodes to be online. As far as I understand ipfs-cluster, it's just about synchronous pinning of hashes via some API. And I doubt someone would just join their node into someone else's cluster to let them pin files on that node.
<Fns[m]>
So I'd assume it just comes up from 'your host being online initially' to 'at least one of your cluster nodes being online initially'
<Fns[m]>
That's what they are about usually
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<Fns[m]>
<DanielMaricic[m] "hi guys, are there any apps buil"> https://peergos.org/ β might be what you're looking for
<Fns[m]>
<DanielMaricic[m] "i found this https://ipfs.io/ipf"> It looks like an IPFS files browser, not something that would pin/store your files on some server?
<DanielMaricic[m]>
<Fns[m] "https://peergos.org/ β might be "> could be, at least they mention the IPFS in Decentralized part. need to check the code as well
<DanielMaricic[m]>
<Fns[m] "It looks like an IPFS files brow"> as far as i can see it is in really early stage. although it's useless unless i'm using local node.
<DanielMaricic[m]>
which is excpected
<Fns[m]>
<DanielMaricic[m] "could be, at least they mention "> From what I've read, they propose encrypting your files before placing them in IPFS and then pinning them somewhere else.
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<achingbrain[m]>
Daniel Maricic: Check out Peergos, they've build an encrypted storage network on top of IPFS, seems to be more what you are looking for
<DanielMaricic[m]>
security parts seems not to scale with the user. In general encrypting data is easy. what is hard thing to accomplish is to give the power of decrypting back to the user together with the power of the owning and safely storing the private key. many non techical people (and some technical) are in the gray zone with PGP, lets not talk about the mechanisms which blockchain uses to generate keypairs. maybe i wasn't clear
<DanielMaricic[m]>
before about my reasoning. basically it is to have a discussuion from the point of the user, as an holder of DID and real SSI. from that point of view, no system exist at this time. achingbrain not exacly. i wasn't clear before but i wrote on that in this msg
<Fns[m]>
Yes. But I think it is too early to speak of 'normal enduser' adoption at this point. The system you're talking about does not even exist as working prototype yet, only as theoretical concept?
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
one step at the time π
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<Fns[m]>
<DanielMaricic[m] "one step at the time π "> My point being that 'normal enduser' adoption is among the later steps
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<Fns[m]>
And the reason why I put 'normal enduser' into quote is because it's a misleading abstraction. Users are different and there's no single 'norm' to their likes, dislike and so on.
<DanielMaricic[m]>
`normal` is not as a preference it is about the experience with new tech and ability to learn and adapt
<DanielMaricic[m]>
lets say you FΠ΅nΠΈΠΊs you are a tech person, and Alice is not. you could use this tech because you know how to set it up and maintain. on the other hand Alice is very intelligent but not tech-savy as you are. she is willing to try new technology if it doesn't require a lot of tech learning and seting up. she is a `normal-ish` user
<DanielMaricic[m]>
`normal` user would be less inclined to learn and test new tech. unless someone would package it nicely and make is uper simple to use
<DanielMaricic[m]>
that's how i see it.
<Fns[m]>
Let's not say that about Alice, she might not appreciate someone judgeing her skills and abilities. She might well be willing to learn and adapt given enough motivation to, but when everyone is offering poorly functional, but designed to be 'doing all the things for you', there's not much motivation to learn anything else.
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<DanielMaricic[m]>
She's cool with that, i just asked her π
<DanielMaricic[m]>
which part would you exclude from 'doing all the things for you'
<DanielMaricic[m]>
mainly which parts would you made user do?
<Fns[m]>
No need to make them, offer them options (and explanations why and how) to set up things as they would like them. From the defaults that are set up to be safe and secure based on not 'likely to be liked', but solid proof that they are actually safe and secure to use.
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<Fns[m]>
My point is β don't deny people the opportunities, don't limit their choices just because they don't run a private cluster in the cellar. Give them reasonable defaults the program can run with, explain to them what has to be done if no defaults/presets can be applied. If they choose to run with defaults, they should not get hurt because of it, like allowing their sensitive data to become public because they didn't know or set
<Fns[m]>
some specific option. If they wish to tune the program to their needs, let them, but point out the outcomes and potential problems.
<Fns[m]>
People are not generally scare of knowledge or abundance of choice, but rather of unknown, of obscure and hidden, of 'the closed door'.
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<Fns[m]>
* My point is β don't deny people the opportunities, don't limit their choices just because they don't run a private cluster in the cellar. Give them reasonable defaults the program can run with, explain to them what has to be done if no defaults/presets can be applied. If they choose to run with defaults, they should not get hurt because of it, like allowing their sensitive data to become public because they didn't know or s
<Fns[m]>
some specific option. If they wish to tune the program to their needs, let them, but point out the outcomes and potential problems.
<Fns[m]>
People are not generally scared of knowledge or abundance of choice, but rather of unknown, of obscure and hidden, of 'the closed door'.
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<dynodetk[m]>
the concept of address blacklists to prevent the spread of content on ipfs creates an amusing catch-22 for me
<dynodetk[m]>
exploitable, even
<sehqlr[m]>
Oh, I just found that on my own
<bonedaddyDiscor4>
@dynode.tk: This is certainly a problem with public address blacklists
<sehqlr[m]>
yeah, I don't know anything about security, but this seems to be a very slow, labor intensive process
<dynodetk[m]>
probably inherent with content-addressing
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<sehqlr[m]>
well, i'm likely not going to run a one-person gateway now
<sehqlr[m]>
other than my local of course
<bonedaddyDiscor4>
There really isn't much point honestly. There's already a ton of great public gateways, and you probably don't want to deal with the headache of DMCA takedown requests and other stuff like that
<sehqlr[m]>
exactly
<bonedaddyDiscor4>
The network needs more high quality always online natless nodes than it needs more gateways
<sehqlr[m]>
Oh, so if I ran something on say, DigitalOcean, not as a gateway but just as a node, that would benefit the network?
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<sehqlr[m]>
I'd block the gateway unless I was serving up something specific
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<sehqlr[m]>
the HTTP part
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