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<fiatjaf> can I create any kind of arbitrary object with links to other objects, like the old IPNS demos showed?
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<fiatjaf> like `ipns add '{"name": "Bob", "birth": 1968, "father": {"/": "<father-object-hash>"}, "mother": {"/": "<mother-object-hash>"}}'`
<fiatjaf> and have this object magically inherit the others somehow, be traversable, pin the others when pinned itself
<fiatjaf> also, if I create such an arbitrary object, will the browser be able to display it?
<darkdrgn2k[m]> hey all were testing out our IPFS Live Stream, If anyone has a min can you try it out, see if you get the video, and let us know what browser/os your running :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]> http://159.89.124.175:8080/ipfs/QmdzHm2DWuNukGsvF2RFze29Pr4a1NUXjJNjkFZ9Wbmtkk/stream.html?gw=http://159.89.124.175:8080/ipfs&url=http://159.89.124.175:8080/ipns/QmYM9xswSqi8v9PL9YxqTJPoxk7vupnpwv9gEqs3jPL1ym
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<Swedneck> works fine for me on firefox 60 on fedora 27 workstation
<Swedneck> oh wait it was using the ipfs companion extension
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<Swedneck> ok still works fine without a local node running
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> :) asside from the IPNS issue it shoudl work via any gateway
<darkdrgn2k[m]> we had to use the experimante pubsub name option to get it working
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> thanks
<Swedneck> np, always happy to help ipfs
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> 👍 we will be streaming ournetworkes.ca confrence over ipfs !
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<tlacaelel[m]> Is it true there is an ipfs for Android?
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<jz011235> less
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<Rusty78> 1.Hey all, I am trying to create a NewStream with a Peer using different private keys from a single running daemon. However, I can’t find where or if I can swap in a different private key for identifying my node.
<Rusty78> 2. Right now I am looking at go-libp2p-host and cannot find where/what newStream(context.Context, peer.id, protocol.ID) references. Any ideas?
<Rusty78> If anyone could is familiar with go-ipfs that could help me out that’d be amazing. I’d also be happy to pay anyone who wants to take their time out to help a noob, thanks
<Rusty78> the go-libp2p-host file I'm referencing is here: https://github.com/libp2p/go-libp2p-host/blob/master/host.go
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<whyrusleeping> Rusty78: you would need to create a different host
<whyrusleeping> libp2p assumes a one to one mapping between hosts and identities
<Rusty78> whyrusleeping: so there's no simple way of swapping out private keys?
<Rusty78> Essentially identities* on the same running daemon
<whyrusleeping> no, because all the connections to that node were established using the same key
<whyrusleeping> you could make multiple libp2p host instances, each with their own private keys
<whyrusleeping> but they would need to form separate connections
<whyrusleeping> because connections are encrypted using that key
<Rusty78> Well my goal is to send a one-way message to another host from separate identities
<whyrusleeping> hrm... that sounds like a thing youre trying to do to accomplish your real goal
<Rusty78> I don't need each identity to be a full node itself, I just need to send the messages from different identities
<whyrusleeping> whats your real goal?
<Rusty78> I'm working with the OB project. I am creating multiple vendor identities for a web service (people sign up and can be their own merchant online). For instant messaging to work I need to have my server act as a relay for their messages (which are passed by writing messages on new streams)
<Rusty78> Basically I don't need to run a full node for every identity but I do need to connect to other peers as separate identities
<Rusty78> Nor can I run separate identities because it'd be very resource intensive to scale that way*
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<Rusty78> the SendMessage function is what I need to use with separate identities
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<whyrusleeping> Rusty78: so, you want to actually connect as the other identities?
<whyrusleeping> It seems like you would just want to sign the message with that identities key
<whyrusleeping> and keep the concept of your network node separate from a store identity
<whyrusleeping> agree that running separate nodes per identity would make it difficult to scale
<Rusty78> whyrusleeping: I actually put together a working copy where I do sign messages with the identity’s priv key and it works successfully but unfortunately the OB main client only checks for messages every 10min which makes the instant messenger not very instant :p
<whyrusleeping> Rusty78: how does the messaging work exactly?
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<Rusty78> whyrusleeping: I think an easier solution would be to lobby the OB team to make the client check for relevant messages every minute rather than 10min which would make this more feasible than attempting to hot-swap node identities.
<Rusty78> The OB messaging system works that it can accept offline messages or direct streams for IM’s/orders/etc. The direct streams are instant and require that both nodes are online/live for it work. I only have a high-level understanding of both OB/IPFS atm so I apologize for any mistakes. If you are more curious the actual code can be found here: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go/blob/master/net/retriever/retriever.go
<Rusty78> Thank you though for your suggestions, it helped me realize that this would be a more practical solution :p
<whyrusleeping> Rusty78: I personally think that y'all should use pubsub and only fallback to the DHT when you can't ensure message delivery
<Rusty78> You're probably right, I'm not on the development team but I believe the team wrote the message system before the IPFS pubsub system was flushed out. I will pass on the suggestion gladly though :)
<whyrusleeping> yeah, i think they did
<whyrusleeping> i'm meeting up with some of them next month in person
<Rusty78> Oh very nice, are you meeting them at a conference?
<whyrusleeping> yeah, we're having an 'ipfs developer meeting' thing
<Rusty78> The registry sounds exciting. I feel like right now it is difficult to find a decent list of all the projects working with IPFS atm
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<jz011235> Hi there, I was reading the doc -- IPFS DRAFT 3. Got bit confused with the idea of multiple IPFSLink in one IPFSObject. Can anyone help to explain?
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<cipres> whyrusleeping: hi again. i pushed a binary release of the application (navigator) for linux-amd64 on ipfs on this hash: QmfPh5Uq4V5x4eb4RL9MPXRaEKDp2uDi6o8MxnbTG69uNi
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<cipres> it's a 250mb tgz that takes about 600mb unpacked. i'm trying to determine if it works accross any amd64 linux OS
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<Matt__> Hi IPFS !
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<Matt__> Could you confirm that you are indeed working with INTchain project (https://intchain.io/) as stated in their last tweet ?? (https://twitter.com/INTCHAIN)
<Matt__> Thank you very much for your time !
<lidel> Matt__, since I don't see any mention of IPFS there, I assume this is low-key spam, right? ;-)
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<ToxicFrog> lidel: page 2 has "completed the final negotiation and finalization of the IPFS project" -- right column near the top
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<whyrusleeping> sounds like "we decided to use ipfs in our project"
<whyrusleeping> or something like that
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<ToxicFrog> whyrusleeping: well, it also talks about "many rounds of discussions between INT and IPFS decision-making level"
<lidel> ah, I forgot Twitter can have more than one picture :)
<whyrusleeping> cipres: heh, 'run this binary' is a pretty big ask there :P
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<cipres> whyrusleeping: yeah i understand that. it's built from https://gitlab.com/galacteek/galacteek
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<whyrusleeping> cipres: its a gui app?
<cipres> yes, qt5 app
<cipres> browser
<whyrusleeping> i'll roll a snapshot of my dev vm later and try it out
<cipres> you can build from source also
<cipres> just need python3.5
<whyrusleeping> ah, okay
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<cipres> no worries if you can't try the binary i'll post the link anyhow
<cipres> as i didn't find a good browsing application for ipfs i started working on that as an experiment
<cipres> i focused on the clipboard system and automatic pinning
<cipres> it keeps a history of all the ipfs hashes/paths that go through the clipboard and with keybindings you can explore/browse the hashes
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<cipres> whyrusleeping: there's no malware :) i also disabled the pubsub system by default because it's not stable enough yet
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<fiatjaf> can I create any kind of arbitrary object with links to other objects, like the old IPNS demos showed?
<fiatjaf> like `ipns add '{"name": "Bob", "birth": 1968, "father": {"/": "<father-object-hash>"}, "mother": {"/": "<mother-object-hash>"}}'`
<fiatjaf> and have this object magically inherit the others somehow, be traversable, pin the others when pinned itself
<fiatjaf> also, if I create such an arbitrary object, will the browser be able to display it?
<fiatjaf> cipres: I'm interested in galacteek. does it allow you to browse all your local ipfs objects or something like that?
<cipres> of course
<cipres> it spawns a daemon
<cipres> but you can connect to an existig daemon as well
<cipres> existing
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<whyrusleeping> fiatjaf: yeah, you can do that
<whyrusleeping> viewing them in the browser will be doable soon via a new webui update
<whyrusleeping> take a look at this short guide to making objects: http://ipfs.git.sexy/sketches/ipld_intro.html
<cipres> fiatjaf: right now it's usable for importing files, browsing, bookmarking and so on, but no ipld support yet
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<tfaub> is there info on how ipfs replicates http post functionality for web app support? I'm sure there are examples I could check, but I wonder if they leverage ipfs's http support
<r0kk3rz> i dont think it does, its unclear what exactly it would 'post' to
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<fiatjaf> oh I wrote IPNS but I meant IPLD
<fiatjaf> thank you for the links
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<fiatjaf> cipres: I mean will it automatically list all my local objects in a folder-like manner, or should I enter a hash first and then it shows the folder structure?
<fiatjaf> beautiful and impressive stuff that ipld webui stuff
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<JCaesar> mmmh. i still havent made that webdav server i wanted...
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<cipres> fiatjaf: there's an explorer and a file manager. copy a hash in the clipboard and hit ctrl+e and it will explore this hash like here: https://gitlab.com/galacteek/galacteek/blob/master/screenshots/explore-git.png
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<cipres> what does the ipfs dag resolve command do ?
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<vmx> cipres: it can be used to resolve paths on the dag. though there's ongoing discussions on the current implementation, so it might change a lot sooner or later
<cipres> vmx: hello. thanks!
<cipres> so it parses the DAG and returns you the hashes of the merkle-links inside the dag ?
<fiatjaf> why should I use cid version 1?
<vmx> cipres: yes, it traverses the DAG on the server and just returns the result
<vmx> fiatjaf: it's more flexible
<cipres> vmx: excellent
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<vmx> cipres: though this command shouldn't have been there and it's open if it will stay. i'd rather put that on the client side (although i see that it could be useful the way it is)
<cipres> vmx: i'm writing a dag viewer and was thinking of traversing the dag locally when i saw this resolve command ..
<vmx> cipres: there's lots of work going into a web dag viewer as well as a cli tool. you might want to team up
<vmx> cipres: just a note: `dag resolve` currently isn't implemented in the js implementation
<cipres> vmx: i see. the cli tool's code might be easier to look at, do you have a link ?
<vmx> cipres: the link to webui tracking issue https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/pm-ipfs-gui/issues/11 (i found that first, let me find the cli one)
<cipres> vmx: thanks a lot
<cipres> cool
<vmx> cipres: so what are the plans for your dag viewer?
<fiatjaf> vmx: so should I pass "cid-version=1" everywhere?
<fiatjaf> to force my node to use it?
<cipres> vmx: something very basic for now just display the dag structure and be able to quickly access the sub merkle links
<vmx> ic
<cipres> i already have the code to do that with qt5
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<vmx> fiatjaf: i know too little about v0, it was already legacy when i joined the project
<fiatjaf> vmx: apparently go-ipfs still uses it when it wants, even when I pass 'cid-version=1' to `ipfs add`
<fiatjaf> I'm using the latest version
<fiatjaf> also, '--cid-version' is marked as (experimental) on the cli
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<lidel> cipres, unless you have a good reason, I would just use the default version. At some point go-ipfs will switch default to CIDv1 in Base32: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/4143 (right now CIDv1 is Base58 by default)
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<vmx> lidel: you meant fiatjaf
<cipres> ;)
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<lidel> well, yes, sorry. also, time for a coffee ;)
<cipres> vmx: so in the JSON object returned by dag get, if you find a dict with a '/' key, it's always a merkle-link ?
<vmx> cipres: yes
<cipres> ok great
<cipres> vmx: well the viewer's working for simple ipld objects but i should try it with a big structure
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<fiatjaf> my dnslinks are not resolving
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<fiatjaf> I've tried to put 'dnslink=/ipns/whatever' on a TXT record which already existed, waited 10h, didn't resolve
<fiatjaf> changed to a _dnslink.domain TXT record with dnslink=/ipns/whatever, waited 2h, got 'Error: could not resolve name (recursion limit exceeded)'
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<lidel> fiatjaf, i would use /ipfs/ paths in dnslink for now, afaik /ipns/ is too slow to be practical
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<whyrusleeping> ^ ipns improvements coming soon. Not gonna guarantee it will be fast, but it shouldnt be quite as broken in 0.4.16
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<cipres> whyrusleeping: congrats
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<carsonfarmer[m]> anyone been able to get the instructions by lgierth here: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3907 to work on aws behind an application load balancer?
<carsonfarmer[m]> i keep getting 504 Gateway Timeout errors for some reason
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<fiatjaf> suppose I have an object AX that references X, I pin it recursively. then I pin recursively an object BX that references X.
<fiatjaf> later I unpin AX recursively. will it unpin X even though BX is still pinned?
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<fiatjaf> ok, maybe I'll test this instead of asking
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<fiatjaf> ok, it works. X still remains. I guess since it is in 'recursive' pin mode ipfs is doing some checks in an internal object graph for dependents. great stuff.
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<AphelionZ> does ipns work in js-ipfs 0.29.3?
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<carsonfarmer[m]> hey all, what's the current status of a python native ipfs
<carsonfarmer[m]> but those seem pretty stale
<carsonfarmer[m]> is there active development going on anywhere?
<carsonfarmer[m]> would love to participate in some way
<AphelionZ> vasco-santos: just emailed you 😎
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