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<bluebie>
oh hi
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bluebie!!!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh man i haven’t seen your Old Internet Handle in, like, forrrrrrrever
<bluebie>
hi!
<bluebie>
logged in to irccloud/freenode to ask a question on #ipfs and i was still joined to your channel <3
<bluebie>
I still use this handle for tech/coding stuff
<bluebie>
I know better than to try to start a fight with git
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ipfs lmao
<bluebie>
why lmao??
* ELLIOTTCABLE
yawns expansively
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
v slip
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
how r u
<bluebie>
because i'm a predictable p2p nerd after all these years??
<bluebie>
eh i've been better
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hahahahhahahaahh yes maybe a little
<bluebie>
wheelchair user these days
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
typos, cannot see keyboard, morningsand
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
woah rly? something happen?
<bluebie>
but my wheelchair's kinda fucky so waiting on doctors and eventually government to sort it out. yay socialism. no cost, but sure is slow. better than the big load of nothing i had before tho
<bluebie>
eh turns out i have a genetic disorder called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and i'm not lazy i just have a lot of chronic pain
<bluebie>
i can still walk it just hurts a lot and now i have the option to do stuff without that pain it's pretty awesome and i have a lot more energy to do stuff like, have a job sometimes, do activism things, have a social life
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<bluebie>
plus going down hills is hella fun
<bluebie>
also i'm uh getting fit????
<bluebie>
which is weird but like, i am starting to be able to do the thing where endorphins is a nice time??
<bluebie>
it's pretty cool
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i know @pyrrhl has a chronic pain thing, but i can’t remember if it’s the same one — but the name sounds familiar
<bluebie>
EDS is where your DNA codes for a type of collagen in a different way that makes it less strong so all your joints and skin and bones and everything pretty much just becomes a bit softer than it should be really
<bluebie>
i don't have the terminal illnessy types tho so it's pretty fine just hurts
<bluebie>
maybe crispr later who knows
<bluebie>
but yeah, experimenting with IPFS, seeing if the tech is mature enough to do anything cool with it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i like vaguely try to play with it every three years lmao
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
have you seen Dat?
<bluebie>
one of my friends wants to quit working for [social media giant everyone hates] and start making stuff that isn't a censorship nightmare zone of social control and manipulation
<bluebie>
and i'm kinda helping him figure out the rough shape of it and if distributed is a reasonable way to do it yet
<bluebie>
because one of his dream markets is stuff like HK protests so being able to run off the internet just over lan and stuff would be real neato in situations like that
<bluebie>
i've been kinda thinking of making a shit tumblog app to kinda practice IPFS junk
<bluebie>
the nice gateways mean a p2p app can have web accessible read only websites without me needing to provide any infristructure, which is real neato i think
<bluebie>
like cloudflare has a public gateway you can even hook domains up to and host static sites that scale great because the gateway servers end up seeding the content they have cached for a while after they warm up
<bluebie>
but it's tricky to figure out how to do something like linkbacks to make stuff like the "notes" list tumblr has, which seems important
<bluebie>
i think a pretty okay social media app could be made just by hosting all your posts and comments as a directory on ipfs and having the client be a view that aggregates all your friends directories and merges them together in to one timeline so all the comments and posts get glued together right
<bluebie>
could be kinda neato in how filesystem oriented it is, in terms of being able to make bots and shit by just manipulating files in directories and telling the IPFS daemon to republish it
<bluebie>
and the crypto stuff's not hard
<bluebie>
also also!
<bluebie>
check out this rediculous search engine i made!
<bluebie>
i use fewer tiny files now, that's some kinda growth, right?
<bluebie>
(i am a bit ashamed of how much that library depends on converting numbers to base2 or base16 strings and then using string manipulation to do arbitrary bit precision stuff, but, eh, it's fast enough, whatever)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hahahahHhH
<bluebie>
one thing certainly hasn't changed i'm still terrible at math
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i turned into a types nerd
<bluebie>
oooooooooo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gasp whoh lies
<bluebie>
i feel like i should really learn and transition to typescript but eh lazy
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i refuse to write my JavaScript in anything but OCaml, it is so ridiculously good and pure and perfect
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
amen
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
smeh
<bluebie>
javascript is so nice now. async await? fetch web api? so. nice.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the fuck phone amen and smeh are literally diametric opposites
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
turns out, it wasn’t types that sucked, it was haskell :P
<bluebie>
remember when we, or maybe just me, were pressuring that nodejs guy to figure out a hacky way to make async await a thing in node back when node was not popular and only a thing the weird kids poked at?
<bluebie>
and he did it and it sucked and got yanked out soon after?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
types in a sane, imperative, GC’d, strictly-evaled language (y’know … like ruby and JS) are GREAAAAAAT for getting shit tf done
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes ugh
<bluebie>
yeah it'd be pretty helpful
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
o.g. futures
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
remember my endless attempts to fix require
<bluebie>
i've been playing with tensorflow a lot lately too and like i sure as hell should be using typescript there but eh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i think `from` is still out there somewhere
<bluebie>
omg
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as well as my Epic Mailing-List Argument against commonjs require
<bluebie>
*require*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
import is basically from
<bluebie>
true enough
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rust is basically paws
<bluebie>
import is still so broken :(
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it’s a weird feel when all your good ideas come to fruition
<bluebie>
oh? that's nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just … not any of the actual work you put into them
<bluebie>
did you influence rust?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god no
<bluebie>
aw
<bluebie>
well, at least now you don't have to do it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
was literally talking about this yesterday in here lmao
<bluebie>
that's my fave thing in the world, making a thing, and then making people care about the thing, and then walking the fuck away and now it's their problem to maintain it and i just get to use it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but yeah rust is a better paws w/o the distsys stuff. and it’s kinda sad, but at least it’s cool.
<bluebie>
that experience is peak open source
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i don’t think i’ve ever experienced that 🤣
<bluebie>
aw
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
welp, time to go leetcode the day away
<bluebie>
I did with micronucleus, my shit attiny usb bootloader which was the best usb bootloader for those chips at the time, which is now *so much better* than i could ever make it because i walked the fuck away and gave some assembler nerds admin on the git repo
<bluebie>
leetcode?
<bluebie>
not that i do any embedded or electronics stuff anymore, but it's kinda nice that people care about a thing i did
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you don’t?!
<bluebie>
nah
<bluebie>
what's the point
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
who tf are you, glowy-ear last
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lady
<bluebie>
eh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ex-glowy-ear
<bluebie>
yeah
<bluebie>
most of the things that back in those days i would have DIYd are now homekit products at the apple store
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
are you still all Teh Arts
<bluebie>
not really
<bluebie>
my current obsession is australian sign language
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
<bluebie>
long term goal is to build ML models that can basically dictate auslan from RGB video in to a stream of word embeddings and then use that to build sign language chatbots
<bluebie>
I want to make the world's first Auslan dictionary that is entirely accessed in and written in auslan
<bluebie>
something somewhere between wikitionary and urban dictionary, but in a language that has no verbal and no written form
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
somebody had an entire slide that just said “Get your own acronym, machine learning!” at a conf i was at last week
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nearly fell out of my seat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the room _erupted_
<bluebie>
what else does ML mean?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ML! like OCaml, Haskell, Rust, StandardML, ReasonML …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
family of programming languages around since the ‘80s
<bluebie>
Ooooooooooooh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
type-inferred Hindley Milner languages with module systems, basically
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
iirc it originally stood for “Meta-Language” but like lol w/e
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
man i know nothing about sign-languages,
<bluebie>
sign languages are really neat!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
now don’t murder me or anything but
<bluebie>
i promise no murdering
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
right up until i clicked your link and went on a Wikipedia spree, i literally got to 30 years old w/o realizing there was another one? i just assumed the whole world used ASL.
<bluebie>
spoken languages are just a sequence of discrete symbols with tone and discrete modifiers, but sign languages have space! they have speed! they're much less discrete and much more proportional!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
in fact i think i asked that on quora once and maybe got no answers
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“why does the whole world use *american* sign language”
<bluebie>
in ASL gender is shown in two locations on the face, so you don't need to invent a word for nonbinary, you can just do it in between those to places in a continuous space!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
now, i know that they … don’t, and i feel dumb 🤣 l
<bluebie>
there are about as many sign languages as spoken languages
<bluebie>
for exactly the same reason there are so many spoken languages
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but yeah i had nooooooooooo idea
<bluebie>
wow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i’ve never once heard them mentioned. which is super-weird.
<bluebie>
sign languages are not a new invention, they've been around as long as recorded history at least
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and i’ve always, even on the internet, seen “asl” used as the acronym for sign language — i think? wtf
<bluebie>
Auslan is a descendant of British Sign Language, while ASL is a descendant of French Sign Language, so they have different grammar and different symbols
<bluebie>
the internet is very US centric
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
trudat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh i’m maybe a redditor now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god redditor and type-nerd
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
past me would’ve haaaaaaaated me
<bluebie>
(and, Auslan/BSL/NZSL, the languages which comprise the BANZLAN family, have a totally different grammar and structure to English!)
<bluebie>
oof
<bluebie>
sometimes i use reddit now too, bleh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
blehhhhhh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
in my head i was thinking how I’d describe you to someone
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and i’m extremely proud of the phrase i just accidentally invented
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“best-friend alumnus”
<bluebie>
aaaaaah
<bluebie>
nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
roit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
when someone reaches that level where it just Counts, even if it’s been 20 years, lol
<bluebie>
_why once wrote "When I think of Bluebie, I sometimes envision a girl who casts a horse-shaped silhouette. Doing semaphore, of course!"
<bluebie>
which, is less descriptive now that i'm not a 15 year old
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hahahahahahahahah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
semaphore what
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
omg
<bluebie>
fancy flag language
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh i know
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“what” in the “omg” sense
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
welp you’ll have to ping me occasionally and keep me updated on ur it’s-machine-learning-not-ML adventures!
<bluebie>
Kotaku, the games blog, once wrote "The owner of said fragile voice is [Bluebie] – a smiley girl in spectacles with purple streaks though her hair. She looks and sounds like the friendliest girl in the world."
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that’s a genuinely cool project, but sounds scary
<bluebie>
sure will!
<bluebie>
waiting on google to fully finish polishing up and releasing their real nifty hand pose classifier model, because it saves me from having to figure out how to make image classifiers not be racist
<bluebie>
running on an android phone, so you know it'll work great on literally anything that has a decent CPU
<bluebie>
TensorFlow-js is real nifty, it can GPU accelerate machine learning inference via webgl even on mobile safari
<bluebie>
if you ever need to do accelerated vector math on a webpage portably it's a pretty great choice even if you're not doing any machine learning stuff
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and leetcode is that trash website where you learn how to get a job, or something, i gues
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
time 2 take lily out
<bluebie>
here's totally useless machine learning / tfjs powered motion estimation thingie i made to basically just practice tensorflow that runs in the browser off webcam (unsure if works on iOS) https://phx.moe/research/motion-estimation-tfjs/demo/webcam.html
<bluebie>
ok!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lemme talk you into learning an ML some day! it’s genuinely the best way to just … write JavaScript, for normal JavaScript-y stuff, but, faster and, well, _reasonable_, lol
<bluebie>
i'm open to listen but you're unlikely to convince me, you know how i am, i just want to do stuff, i kinda hate the meta
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
write* faster, not execute* faster
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hahahah “the meta”
<bluebie>
less bugs does sound nice tho
<bluebie>
you know what i mean
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes and that’s why I laughed, i’ve never heard it called that but it’s kinda perf
<bluebie>
computer stuff doesn't excite me, the social stuff computers can impact does, so usually i just do things badly but good enough to get it done, with whatever is familliar to me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
my experience with this stuff
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
is mostly … exactly that, kinda, that i can _actually do stuff_, and faff around with debuggers and tests a lot less
<bluebie>
that's nice and maybe convincing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i write about mmmmmehbe 1/4 the tests I used to; and never break out a debugger or anything, which is just. so relaxing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ANYWAY I’M OFF UGH
<bluebie>
i'm probs gonna sleep soonish but i'll try and not logout of irccloud for a while and bother you some more tomorrow etc
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
<3<3<3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hahahahahahh
<bluebie>
💙
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i’m on discord a lot more
<bluebie>
oh? me too? where???
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but i’m on both still, so that works fine
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh i was juuuuuust tweeting about this
<bluebie>
Phoenix#4849
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i have nowhere like this room — that i own and have the right to invite to, you know?
<bluebie>
oh fair
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
maybe i should make a stupid server but i rrllllly don’t wanna
<bluebie>
yeah fuck that
<bluebie>
sounds like effort
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ELLIOTTCABLE#2178 for anyone following along
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it’s e-constant since nobody ever gets the joke because it’s a bad joke
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mmmmmost of my Discord-camping goes to either dry programming-language discords, twitch discord’s, Emily’s discord, or my D&D-group’s discord
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but yeah either dry nonsocial programming … or private-and-not-mine /=
<bluebie>
TIL that discord friend requests have case sensitive usernames
<bluebie>
because your lowercase tweeted version did not work
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i learned that yesterday and am annoyed -_-
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah lmao
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you don’t twitter now i thought
<bluebie>
@bluebie is mostly abandoned but @cripdork is occasionally active but totally devoid of computer shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wtf, subscription headphones????
<bluebie>
i'm not subscribed to them, i bought them outright
<bluebie>
turns out part of having EDS is having shit hearing and these headphones successfully measure my shit hearing with automatic otoaccoustic emissions testing and calibrate themselves better than i can EQ things in Audio Hijack so spoken word is easier and more relaxing to listen to
<bluebie>
and music sounds awesome on them
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
:O
<bluebie>
i can probably make the government pay for them for me anyway, because they're super disability related and socialism is neat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
omg. audio hijack. still use it daily.
<bluebie>
yeah audio hijack is real nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what a great “let’s make this complicated crap less complicated” app
<bluebie>
rogue amoeba and panic are two great companies that i'm so happy are still great
<bluebie>
also did you hear panic is working on a competitor to vscode and the likes, that is a native app!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
slightly yikes
<bluebie>
i am a bit excited about that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
coda was terrible sooooo idk
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i’m hoping OniVim succeeds
<bluebie>
yes but they even say that now too sooooo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i used VScode for a year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but a couple weeks ago got frustrated enough to switch back to good ol’ VimR
<bluebie>
they sold the rights to the Coda name to some other company because they're ashamed of it and killed the product
<bluebie>
untitled goose game's nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh wowwwwwww
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes! and Firewatch!
<bluebie>
haven't played firewatch yet!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
they should focus on games they rock at those 🤣
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
WHATTTTTTTTTTTT
<bluebie>
BEEN BUSY MAKING SIGN LANGUAGE GREAT AGAIN
<bluebie>
Transmit's not terrible? they aren't always terrible? maybe Nova wont be terrible? idk
<bluebie>
Prompt i have less respect for. What kind of garbage shell app on iOS doesn't support mosh these days. Seriously wtf
<bluebie>
anyone who doesn't use mosh for interactive terminals is bad and should feel bad tbh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh man mosh i forgot that existed
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so i guess they actually built that and it’s a thing now then?
<bluebie>
I am still on ADSL internet fuck australia i cannot live without mosh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oni’s also native, but very Vim-focuses
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but with full VScode extension support
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
supposedly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
we’ll see if he pulls that off.
<bluebie>
yeah i'm not a vim person
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
i remember hah
<bluebie>
would be neat to see VScode extension support
<bluebie>
i'm like a baby i need my weird basically textmate 1.x editors
<jfhbrook>
oh man so funny thing
<jfhbrook>
when I started using vim regularly it was right after I bought a mac and I remember the first editor I tried was a textmate editor and I was infuriated
<jfhbrook>
an old boss of mine was a textmate guy
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I loved TextMate so much
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
man, memories
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
infuriated y
<jfhbrook>
because it was bad
<bluebie>
textmate was bad that is correct
<jfhbrook>
I'm very strange about text editors, for the most part I want them to be super simple and stay out of my way
<bluebie>
but when it first came out it was also really neato
<jfhbrook>
right, I wanna say it was old and busted by then
<bluebie>
for sure, many people used it well past it’s prime
<jfhbrook>
I installed spacemacs recently, I'm only using it for org-mode right now but eventually I wanna use it for everything
<jfhbrook>
it's a liiiiiiittle crazy
<jfhbrook>
but it speaks basic vim commands and has a lot of nice features
<jfhbrook>
and the spacemacs theme actually looks pretty nice
<jfhbrook>
it's like the nodejs of editors though, some assembly required
<jfhbrook>
i’m in a sprint planning meeting and i’m super not into it