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<jfhbrook>
ljharb: video games mostly
<ljharb>
what's not on Steam on mac?
<jfhbrook>
well a few things going on there
<jfhbrook>
there are tons of pc-only games--yes there are tons of cross-platform games too, but for instance, p sure the mass effect games are windows/console only
<jfhbrook>
but there's also that playing video games on my macbook sucks for a bunch of reasons, like no good video card and trackpad
<jfhbrook>
the pc will be hooked into my tv and I'll play most games with a controller if possible
<ljharb>
console's way better than computer tho for most games
<jfhbrook>
some of them
<jfhbrook>
like yeah mass effect is pretty good on console
<jfhbrook>
but like, elite dangerous is best on a beefy pc with a joystick setup
<jfhbrook>
idevenk if it's on xbox, don't think it is
<jfhbrook>
and diablo 3 is fundamentally a mouse/kb game
<pikajude>
i'm pretty sure console isn't better than computer for any game
<pikajude>
can't think of any off the top of my head
<gkatsev>
it's only better because some games are only being made for consoles nowadays
<pikajude>
yeah, the only example I can think of is console exclusives
<gkatsev>
plus, keyboard and mouse!
<pikajude>
i can't imagine playing doom on console
<pikajude>
what a chore
<gkatsev>
though, MS's new "play anywhere" is pretty interesting
<pikajude>
play anywhere = on xbox one and computer?
<gkatsev>
yes
<pikajude>
anywhere my ass
<gkatsev>
not really anywhere
<gkatsev>
but it's still cool that you can buy the game once and play it on win10 or xbox
<pikajude>
the switch is "play anywhere"
<pikajude>
thats true
<pikajude>
i feel like consoles are good for local multiplayer and that's about it
<gkatsev>
except most console games don't have couch multiplayer!
<pikajude>
right
<gkatsev>
you need a console per person
<pikajude>
so, consoles aren't very good
<pikajude>
for example, mario party is an incomparable experience
<pikajude>
you can kind of do that on a computer if you rearrange all your office furniture
<ljharb>
pikajude: really? i've played a number of games that are better on console
<ljharb>
certainly older games, designed for a computer, are often better on a computer
<ljharb>
the halos are way better on console than on a computer
<pikajude>
what's better about them?
<gkatsev>
oh, another thing. A lot of game companies that release on console and PC often do a terrible job for the PC
<gkatsev>
either because it's a port
<gkatsev>
or it's an after thought
<gkatsev>
even though for xbox developers at least, it should be relatively close.
<gkatsev>
lots of game releases that are basically unusable on PC for months after release because it's so bad
<gkatsev>
batman arkham knight is a relatively recent example
<pikajude>
yeah
<pikajude>
i suppose console does have the benefit of artificial scarcity
<jfhbrook>
it's true that halo is best on xbox--I won't disagree there
<pikajude>
i didn't even know they ported any besides the first one
<jfhbrook>
though I played a shitload of halo CE on pc and it was great
<pikajude>
if halo 3 was available for pc i'd play the shit out of it
<pikajude>
loved that game
<gkatsev>
something something halo macos
<gkatsev>
something something marathon
<ljharb>
oh man, marathon is best on a PowerPC Mac, full stop
<ljharb>
marathon on xbox is OK, but nowhere close to as goo
<ljharb>
d
<pikajude>
halo macos
<pikajude>
i cant relate
<ljharb>
lol
<gkatsev>
marathon is what bungie turned into halo
<pikajude>
oh
<gkatsev>
it was cross platform originally
<ljharb>
marathon was a 2.5D shooter
<ljharb>
not quite 3d, but better than 2d
<pikajude>
it's really hard to find marathon speedruns
<pikajude>
because googling that turns up AGDQ results
<gkatsev>
just add bungie to the search
<ljharb>
speedruns aren't interesting
<ljharb>
i forget the name of it but in marathon, you played on the hardest difficulty and made it through using only your fists
<pikajude>
is it called Ultra Nightmare
<pikajude>
that would be a funny coincidence
<ljharb>
lol no
<ljharb>
you had to choose to do it
<ljharb>
like, the hardest difficulty mode, plus you choose to only play through with fists
<pikajude>
i feel like that's the case in most video games
<pikajude>
oh
<ljharb>
it's an honor thing
<pikajude>
what do you get for it
<ljharb>
i think you're allowed to use a fusion pistol and the grenade launcher too, but only to toggle remote switches
<ljharb>
you get bragging rights
<pikajude>
oh ok
<pikajude>
what if you do it while your feet are submerged in buckets of ice cold water?
<ljharb>
then you'd lose your feet
<ljharb>
but, silver lining, you'd be able to play a lot more marathon if you can't walk anywhere
<pikajude>
do you get more bragging rights for that
<pikajude>
i think speedruns are interesting actually
<pikajude>
i found out there's a way to skip the bomb torizo in super metroid in NTSC
<pikajude>
but it's sub-frame perfect
<pikajude>
which is really funny
<ljharb>
i meant, marathon speedruns aren't interesting compared to playing in vidmaster mode
<ljharb>
"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use Caps Lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single Bob alive."
<ljharb>
i guess that's the one
<ljharb>
punching all switches is really hard tho
<jfhbrook>
some speed runs are interesting
<jfhbrook>
like ocarina of time speed runs
<ljharb>
and "total carnage" is the hardest difficulty level
<jfhbrook>
cause they have to take advantage of a shitload of game bugs
<ljharb>
oh totes, speedruns can be very interesting
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