#bitcoin-wizards on 2018-12-15 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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22:12 <arubi> I'm confused by the recent talk on the ML about sighash noinput\scriptmask\op_mask when mentioned in taproot\schnorr setting. basically, a great use of noinput and script masking is the ability to sign everything except the pubkey itself (be it explicitly in the tx, scriptcode or in the input txid digest).

22:12 <arubi> but a schnorr signature per the bip does explicitly encode the pubkey in 'H(R||P||m)', so what was gained in using masking and noinput in the sigash 'm'?

22:14 <sipa> arubi: the ability to change something other than the pubkey in a script

22:14 <sipa> eltoo relies on that

22:15 <arubi> but sipa isn't eltoo also relying on changing the pubkey?

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22:26 <sipa> arubi: no

22:26 <sipa> that wouldn't work

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22:29 <arubi> alright, thanks. for some reason I was positive that they do. will be going over eltoo again

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22:48 <andytoshi> iirc there was some old pre-eltoo lightning idea floating around that involved pubkey recovery

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22:56 <arubi> heh that sounds really exotic

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23:04 <arubi> oh, I just realized I wrote "relying on changing the pubkey" when I meant "blanking the pubkey" (because afaict an eltoo script pubkey has 1:1 relation to the csv sequence it's used in), sorry

23:05 <arubi> so basically this is my confusion. but also I see that an explanation on how eltoo might work in taproot was posted on the ML, so going over that

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23:10 <arubi> s/csv/cltv/ (sorry, really late here)

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