03:11 <ericxdu> If by "beyond" you mean "dead-set on an idea with no way out of it" I agree.

03:11 <ericxdu> I mean not to wish ill at all, but...

03:12 <ericxdu> Its their own fault if their GPL violations and arrogance catch up with them

03:14 <ericxdu> On that note, one thing I'm not sure I understand. Although Luke was dis-invited to speak with Allwinner, the A20 is still nonetheless available in mass quantity? Is this because design is separate from manufacture and sale?

07:04 <lkcl> ericxdu: noo, the engineers and the management need to be in a mind-set where they're willing to LISTEN to good advice, first.

07:06 <lkcl> ericxdu: i wasn't "dis-invited" - it was just UNSAFE for me to be on their premises. all it would take would be a REAL industrial espionage agent (one who was a CHINESE CITIZEN) to go, "AH HA! gwailo foreigner on the premises!! let's make some noise, steal some trade secrets, then blame him! HA HA!!! i got away with it!! HAR HAR"

07:07 <lkcl> the A20 is available widely without involvement from allwinner. it's available on the open market, basically

07:09 <ericxdu> lkcl: Ah I see. All of which you explained in your update(s).

08:05 <lkcl> ericxdu: yes. so please do NOT go around telling people that allwinner quotes accused quotes me of industrial espionage. that's really really important.

08:26 <ericxdu> lkcl: oh okay. This is why I asked here :-)

12:08 <lkcl> ericxdu: thxman

12:10 <SPG> Luke Leighton master 9f8a5bb source rock_chips/rk3288/news/ First_Revision_EOMA68_RK3288_PCB_design_19nov2016.html rockchip_rk3288_eoma68_pcb_1.png add RK3288 PCB picture * http://source.rhombus-tech.net/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f8a5bb

14:59 <arossdotme> lkcl, ok

15:01 <arossdotme> does wind me up the hole thing.... i only see change via diff people being imploded but it sounds like a culture, so hard to get rid of.... ill wait and see

15:03 <arossdotme> *employed

15:24 <ericxdu> lkcl: I didn't really *mean* to say "accused", sorry. You've been quite clear in your updates and on the mailing list.

18:45 <SPG> Luke Leighton master 3263c51 source rock_chips/rk3288/news/First_Revision_EOMA68_RK3288_PCB_design_19nov2016.html correction * http://source.rhombus-tech.net/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=3263c51

20:09 <C-Keen> lkcl: wow that's fast progress, take care of yourself!

20:25 <lkcl> C-Keen: i only do work that starts from a pre-existing layout for DDR3 (and preferably for the PMIC). with both i can do a board in about 10-14 days. without the PMIC layout, add another 2 weeks. without the DDR3 layout add about 3-4 months and about $20k in mistakes. bottom line: no DDR3 and no PMIC layout, fuck off!!!

20:26 <C-Keen> lkcl: I know