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<shevy> \o/
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<bricker> ottanta: if you want to google this in the future, look for "ruby percent notation"
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<Senjai> ottanta: There are very view areas where % notation makes things more readable
<Senjai> generally, keep tot he basics. %Q is handy when you have tons of " and ' in your string.
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<pipework> I like %, %Q, %i, and %w
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<Senjai> %i is handy for a large # of elements.
<Senjai> But again, generally I prefer the normal way of doing things
<Senjai> I wouldn't make all of my strings %Q's
<pipework> Senjai: Why would all strings need interpolation?
<pipework> %|| is what I use for strings quite often.
<Senjai> pipework: I double quote every string ever :P
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<pipework> Senjai: sounds like a waste of a byte.
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<Senjai> Nah, it's just clean and consistent
<Senjai> A lot cleaner than %||'s littered everywhere :P
<pipework> I don't know. I like %|| it means the string is just a string.
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<pipework> Nothing interesting to see.
<Senjai> pipework: So does ''
<pipework> Senjai: Except maybe interpolation.
<Senjai> pipework: '' doesnt interpolate
<pipework> '' is boring enough to be interesting enough to use for boring things.
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<pipework> Senjai: Sorry, I saw that as " not ''.
<Senjai> all good
<pipework> I like %|| though, then I can use ' without escaping.
<Senjai> I only use that when I have a ton of '
<pipework> I just use it all the time so no need to switch.
<pipework> I also don't mind *%i|some symbols here| as method arguments either, so my taste is clearly off.
<Senjai> If I don't have to escape, I use '' and "" because they're established conventions, in more places than just ruby
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<Senjai> >> %i{thing otherthing}
<Senjai> O
<pipework> Senjai: Egh, I write ruby to make me happy and try to convince others at work that my way makes them happy.
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<Senjai> What
<Senjai> :P
<pipework> It sometimes works!
<Senjai> "" is easier to type, so it makes me happy
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<Senjai> productivity
<Senjai> I also dont have to get used to things that ONLY exist in ruby
<Senjai> because I work in several different languages
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<apeiros_> do I misread or do you think %|| does not interpolate?
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<pipework> apeiros_: Thought that %|| was %q||, right?
<apeiros_> no
<Senjai> lol!
<pipework> >> %|#{self.object_id}|
<apeiros_> %|| is %Q||
<eval-in> pipework => "542127900" (https://eval.in/290316)
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<Senjai> wompwah
<apeiros_> so I did not misread then :)
<pipework> Oh, huh. Whale, that makes it much less fun. though I use %Q|| when interpolating and %|| when not.
<pipework> Which is silly.
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<Senjai> Just use "", and ;;
<Senjai> ''
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<pipework> Naw.
<Senjai> no reason to be hipster :P
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<pipework> It still makes me happy.
<Senjai> YOu want other programmers to want to work with you.. so..
<Senjai> % syntax is meant for a specific set of usecases
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<apeiros_> I like %{} when I have quoted stuff in the string. you don't need to escape {} in it either as long as they are balanced:
<apeiros_> >> %{{}}
<Senjai> apeiros_: I agree
* apeiros_ kick eval-in
<apeiros_> >> %{{}}
<apeiros_> ok, bad bot. no snack.
<Senjai> >> puts %i|sdfs fdsafsd asdfs|
<eval-in> Senjai => sdfs ... (https://eval.in/290317)
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<Senjai> >> puts %{{}}
<eval-in> Senjai => {} ... (https://eval.in/290318)
<pipework> Senjai: When I work with others, we come together and decide.
<pipework> Senjai: But for my code? I don't care how you feel about it unless you're a chum and I want to work with you.
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<pipework> If ruby shipped with a code formatter like Go that dictates fashion, I'd use that.
<apeiros_> %i is especially nice for lists with symbols which would require quoting, e.g. :"content-type"
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<pipework> Yeah, I like %i and %w
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<Senjai> apeiros_: Yeah, thats what I use it for
<Senjai> but I'm not going to use it for EVERY array of symbols
<apeiros_> I use it for all symbol lists. but I still have to get used to it.
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<Senjai> I dont, [:thing, :otherthing] is fine, if its large, I tend to use it
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<waxjar> i tend to use a regular array unless %w[] keeps my line under 80 chars :P
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<Senjai> waxjar: haha :P, that's fair
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<apeiros_> Senjai: yeah, %i's gain isn't as large as %w in regard of both, brevity and readability.
<Senjai> I wont complain about people useing %i, its valid, but just the replacement for "" and '' when there are no things needing escaping in the string.
<apeiros_> but I try to keep consistent code style, so I use %i for all symbol lists now.
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<waxjar> %i is actually useful, but %/%q/%Q instead of single or double quotes just seems like "look mah, i know an 'obscure' feature!"
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<apeiros_> I gladly link anybody who considers % notation "obscure feature" to zenspiders quickref :-p
<apeiros_> all that claim tells me is "you don't know ruby syntax, please go learn it"
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<apeiros_> but I do indeed use % rarely. common use cases for me are inline code (e.g. SQL), and strings containing " and '
<zenspider> waxjar: % is lovely when you need to mix both quotes
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<apeiros_> I wonder whether there are tools to count occurrences
<zenspider> apeiros_ occurances of both quotes?
<zenspider> it'd be super easy with ruby_parser+sexp_processor
<apeiros_> zenspider: occurrences of different literal types
<apeiros_> i.e. stats like %i: 50, %I: 25, %w: 11, []: 127, …
<zenspider> class LitCounter < SexpProcessor; def process_lit sexp; self.count[sexp.last.clast] += 1; end; end
<zenspider> clast -> class
<waxjar> zenspider: i wouldn't mind it really if that's the case, tho personally i'd just use escapes
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<pipework> Something like ag might suffice with some cut, wc, and awk
<zenspider> escapes get ugly and make it hard to line stuff up
<pipework> I like not having to escape things, is nice.
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<pipework> What is zenspider's quickref?
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<zenspider> lmgtfy...
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<pipework> I use Hash.new when I'm passing a block to #new
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<pipework> pound/sharp but not octothorpe? heathen
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<pipework> Aww, it doesn't cover 'fun' methods like Dir[]
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<zenspider> it's a quickref. not a completeref
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<apeiros_> it covers all syntax, which is very nice
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<pipework> The whitespace thing confuses me. Both directions?
<apeiros_> vertically & horizontally?
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<shevy> you are surrounded by whitespace everywhere
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<pipework> I don't know. I don't really use trailing whitespace unless I'm authoring markdown.
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<ottanta> Senjai thank you!
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<pontiki> hello
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<shevy> hey pontiki
<shevy> what happened to you
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<shevy> you were GONE
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<pontiki> mmhmm
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<pontiki> i stopped using my remote shell
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<shevy> I think he is
<pontiki> anyway, miss me, shevy ?
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<shevy> the channel got boring while you were not here
<shevy> sevenseacat alone just isn't enough fem power, only enough cat power
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<pontiki> it's not like i'd be talking anyway, i've been uber busy
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<pontiki> when i haven't been sick, anyway
<pontiki> i think mainly i'm sick of winter
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<pontiki> and being cold :()
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<nahtnam> Anyone here have any expereience with middleman? I keep getting an error while working with partials
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<pontiki> yes, but it's been a while
<pontiki> gist the details
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<nahtnam> pontiki: Kk. One min please
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<pontiki> tell me about root_path, nahtnam ?
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<nahtnam> pontiki: Its /home/nahtnam/Desktop/nahtnam
<pontiki> where is it set?
<nahtnam> pontiki: ?
<pontiki> that doesn't like like it would make a good url
<pontiki> it's what you're passing into the link_to helper at line 4 of the partial
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<nahtnam> pontiki: Ohhhh. S*** Sorry. I just copied and pasted the code without looking at it. That was code from my rails app
<nahtnam> That was all rails code. I removed it and it worked!
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<nahtnam> pontiki: Thanks. I figured it out
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<nahtnam> If I have something like this: `foo = ["ASDF", {"url"=>"test"}]` , to access the URL I have to use this right foo["url"], right?
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<flaccid> i'm going mad trying to find this C: Indent the first parameter one step more than the previous line.
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<ponga> perhaps matz didn't want "THE official style reference" which might discourage freedom
<ponga> OR
<ponga> he was lazy
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<flaccid> ponga: i'm being pulled up for this https://dpaste.de/UDFB but can't work out the solution
<arup_r> Any body have ideas about how to read RSS feeds through email ... Like this -- http://www.rubyflow.com/ .. I can't subscribe, as they don't want me to do... What's the other way around
<arup_r> ?
<pontiki> flaccid: what does "pulled up" mean?
<ponga> pontiki: 'hard to comprehend' i guess
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<ponga> or he's spending too much time understanding
<pontiki> i still don't know what that actually means
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<ponga> pontiki: 'delayed'
<flaccid> ponga: rubocop is returning attributes/default.rb:49:41: C: Indent the first parameter one step more than the previous line.
<ponga> i never use rubocop myself... ;p
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<pontiki> so do it
<pontiki> how much time are you spending trying to prove it isn't a rule?
<flaccid> no matter how i try to format the spacing for this code i get same issue
<pontiki> or stop using rubocop
<sevenseacat> 'they dont want me to'?
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<gr33n7007h> nahtnam: would be, foo[1]['url']
<flaccid> wow this is what it wants https://dpaste.de/gos0. fair enough lol
<nahtnam> gr33n7007h: Oh ok. Thanks!
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<gr33n7007h> np
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<ponga> flaccid: fair enough ;p
<flaccid> still gotta work out this prob though: Gem::InstallError: ohai requires Ruby version >= 2.0.0. anyone know how to fix this? https://travis-ci.org/xhost-cookbooks/openvpn/jobs/51473532
<sevenseacat> use ruby >= 2.0.0?
<ponga> use ruby 2.2.0
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<ponga> flaccid: and that code says its using 1.9.3
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<flaccid> i guess whatever depends on ohai (8.1.1) which is probably chef is too new for 1.9.3
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<arup_r> Any tips?
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<ponga> arup_r: what tip
<ponga> btw hi arup
<arup_r> ponga: o/
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<flaccid> wow chef 12 jumped to requiring it in first GA release but in RC didn't
<arup_r> Any body have ideas about how to read RSS feeds through email ... Like this -- http://www.rubyflow.com/ .. I can't subscribe, as they don't want me to do... What's the other way around ?
<sevenseacat> 'they dont want me to'?
<pontiki> lmgtfy
<pontiki> seriously
<pontiki> there's a bout a million rss to email options
<pontiki> you can even make your own
<ponga> so many fancy sugars that i love in ruby won't let me switch to python
<ponga> so much hard coding in python ;p
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<pontiki> must be all the venom, eh?
<arup_r> sevenseacat: there is no subscribe me option.. :-)
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<sevenseacat> wat
<sevenseacat> did you click the big RSS link
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<arup_r> Yes..
<arup_r> Let me click one more time
<flaccid> whats the right way in Gemfile to have a separate list of gems and groups for a different ruby major version?
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<ponga> arup_r: my rss feeder works ok, but what you want is via email right?
<sevenseacat> how exactly do you want to subscribe to the feed?
<sevenseacat> i mean, putting the feed into a feed reader doesnt sound like what youre doing
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<ponga> sevenseacat: via email notification
<arup_r> ponga: yes
<ponga> arup_r: wouldn't you need to write up a script that does it for you or find one
<arup_r> ponga: Or any other way if you know to read them
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<arup_r> ponga: How you read it?
<ponga> ah hah
<ponga> arup_r: you mean how to process it?
<arup_r> ok
<ponga> gud
<ponga> arup_r: you should thank arup_r
<ponga> or should have googled it first!
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<sevenseacat> its easier to just ask repeatedly until someone answers you.
<pontiki> ifttt.com for GUIful
<arup_r> sevenseacat: humm
<pontiki> thank gods i am being ignored
<ponga> lol
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<arup_r> ponga: I never thought I have to write the code for it.. :) I thought something is available ...
<ponga> sevenseacat: so true
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<arup_r> pontiki: \o/
<ponga> arup_r: there are services
<ponga> google it
<ponga> rss to email service app
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<ponga> i see quite a few
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<arup_r> ponga: My google is down..
<sevenseacat> lol
<arup_r> only #ruby is up
<sevenseacat> thats awesome.
<pontiki> try bing
<pontiki> try ddg
<ponga> pontiki: he's joking
<pontiki> poe, i say
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<pontiki> because I CAN'T TELL
<ponga> arup is experimenting to see if only asking ruby channel could solve a problem
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<pontiki> ah, troll, then, of the poe variety
<sevenseacat> i think youre reading too much into him
<ponga> arup_r:
<ponga> my answer is this
<arup_r> sevenseacat: him... Who me?
<sevenseacat> yep
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<arup_r> sevenseacat: \m/
<ponga> unless the blog's owner is doing it thru email too, you would need 24/7hr running application that converts rss feed into email and send it to your address
<ponga> for that, you would need to find a dedicated service
<ponga> or your personal server
<arup_r> pontiki: http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.2.0/libdoc/rss/rdoc/RSS.html is enough.. It is so easy.. :-) I got some chances to write code for myself.. thanks
<ponga> but i doubt if you have to write code
<ponga> gud
<pontiki> pfft
<pontiki> you can run it on your laptop
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<pontiki> it's pubsub, it doesn't have to run 24/7
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<ponga> pontiki: he might be wanting it to be sent to his phone via email
<pontiki> and?
<ponga> why email if its not 24/7?
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<arup_r> ponga: heheheeh
<ponga> it loses its point
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<arup_r> thanks for the idea
<ponga> what , arup
<ponga> oh the email rss feed to phone
<pontiki> email because you don't have to run another app to read rss
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<arup_r> preparing emails from feed... then send it to my phone..
<pontiki> i get tons of email i shunt off into folders to look at later
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* sevenseacat hugs inoreader
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<pontiki> i bloody well don't want all my rss traffic clogging up my personal inbox
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<ponga> you could use filter pontiki
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<ponga> you could use 'rss' folder
<pontiki> fucking hell, do you read?
<sevenseacat> apparently not
* arup_r finds something useful today
<pontiki> <pontiki> i get tons of email i shunt off into folders to look at later
<arup_r> pontiki: I do
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<ponga> sorry pontiki i was thnking what 'pontiki' means in my tongue
<ponga> zontiki was a name of jelly snack
<pontiki> 'mouse' in Greek: ποντίκι
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<ponga> you greek pontiki?
<gr33n7007h> that's one angry mouse!
<pontiki> no
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<ponga> arup_r: why would you not want to launch a browser to read rss
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<arup_r> ponga: Actually I read when I got email for something new... no time to go check regularly.. :-) That's why I thought..
<ponga> me too
<ponga> arup_r: i never check my rss feeder
<certainty> moin peeps
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<arup_r> I am thinking something to put in Heroku.. where background jobs will take care of ...
<arup_r> or something like that
<arup_r> Lets see
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<avril14th> hello
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<Qladstone> hi
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<ferr> Any idea how I could search gmail inbox using timestamp as parameter with ruby?
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<shmoon_> ruby is still quite famous it seems :D
<shmoon_> even after that immense growth of nodejs
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<Qladstone> famous?
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<gregf_> can nodejs run a website on its own? i.e without a model layer and server?
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<gregf_> oh well, it can if it gets all its data to be rendered using webservices
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<giuseppesolinas> has anyone had success with google apis?
<strixd> Convert string to date unless already date? easy wat?
<strixd> way*
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<Qladstone> lol sounds like a kata from codewars I just did
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<gregf_> strixd: import date;["12-01-2014", DateTime.now()].each { |str| puts str.is_a?(Date) ? "#{str} is a date" : "#{str} is nop" }
<gregf_> s/import .*/require "date"/
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<gregf_> strixd: well, this: str.is_a?(Date) ? "#{str} is a date" : Date.strptime(str, "%d-%m-%y").to_s + "#{str} is nop" (sorry misread your question )
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<strixd> thank you
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<Qladstone> what date formats of str will work for this?
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<gregf_> Qladstone: in this case only one '10-01-2015'. "%d-%m-%y" is only one of the formats, but theres many
<strixd> Date.parse?
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<gregf_> yeah, but you'll need a try catch
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<hanmac> shevy http://xkcd.com/1488/
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<Qladstone> gregf_: thanks
<gregf_> strixd: Date.strptime(str, "%d-%m-%y") unless str.is_a?(Date) <== is prolly shorter, but depends what you;re doing with it
<Qladstone> what do you do when you're tired from programming? :|
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<strixd> cool ty gregf_ sorted it
<Qladstone> I'm trying to get better
<Qladstone> but I'm kind of saturated now I think from reading rub-doc and trying out problems
<strixd> all in your mind
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<Qladstone> I mean like in the short run
<Qladstone> for the next hour or so
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<avril14th> Qladstone: sport
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<apeiros_> kill some zerg
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<shmoon_> can someone heklp me with this http://pastie.org/private/2kczyvknrb9tpm4iwjc0dw ?
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<apeiros_> shmoon_: sounds like that version of kgio is not compatible with ruby 2.2
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<shmoon_> how do you know ? doesn't seem to eb there in error msg
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<apeiros_> well, I can install current kgio with 2.2, I can install kgio 2.8.0 with ruby 2.0, but I get the same error as you with ruby 2.2 & kgio 2.80
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<apeiros_> *2.8.0
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<shmoon_> I see
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<shmoon_> other team members have done the same setup on ruby 2.2.0
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<shmoon_> i guess deleting Gemfile.lock and a bundle install might fix the issue but i cannot do that as the entire team is using that Gemfile.lock on similar systems
<shmoon_> wonder what to do
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<avril14th> shmoon_: copy your Gemfile.lock, do a bundle install and look at the diff
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<avril14th> or look at the diff between you and your tem
<avril14th> did you try bundle exec also?
<shmoon_> the Gemfile.lock file came from the repo only
<shmoon_> team is busy they dont want me to disturb them :P
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<shmoon_> i didnt do any bundle exec
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<shmoon_> bundle exec for ?
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<avril14th> to ensure the usage of the Gemfile.lock
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<shmoon_> ok is there a tutorial on that?
<shmoon_> I think bundle exec is used to run commands using the pwd's Gemfile
<avril14th> run bundle help
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<sami> Hi, I'm having a problem parsing a URI. For some reason this machine does not seem to think my URL is parsable. It works fine on my other machine iwth the same URL. Atm I'm just testing with a partial of the URL which seems to fail. Could someone else test this for me?
<shmoon_> ya executing script in the context of the current budnle
<sami> Seems to break at "*"
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<sami> Shouldn't URI.parse("test *") work?
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<waxjar> that's not a valid uri i think
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<waxjar> are you sure you don't need to escape it, rather than parse it?
<shmoon_> i think i need to do a xcode-select --install
<shmoon_> what is the relation between xcode and ruby ?
<waxjar> it installs tools such as clang (i believe) so you can compile c code, i think it installs git as well, couple of other tools
<sami> waxjar: Here's the full url https://gist.github.com/samimb/68681d12b22ee85b2744
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<waxjar> like i said sami, i don't think that's a valid url, are you sure you don't need to *escape*, rather than parse?
<shmoon_> "clang is a compiler frontend" , front end?
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<waxjar> uris can't have spaces in them, as far as i know
<sami> waxjar: URI.parse should translate a space to %20
<waxjar> no, URI.parse parses a valid URI and returns a URI object
<sami> Try URI.parse("test with space")
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<waxjar> yes, URI::InvalidURIError: bad URI(is not URI?): test with space
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<gregf_> sami: you need to escape it before getting a uri object?
<sami> That is the strangest thing. I checked in this code yesterday working on another machine. I wonder what's different and what i forgot to check in.
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<gregf_> like how waxjar said
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<gregf_> something like: URI(URI.escape("test 10")) ?
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<waxjar> you probably weren't calling URI.parse, because you want to do the reverse of it
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<sami> It's really really weird. I have to check when i get home :) Thanks btw!
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<sami> Just one more thing. Is URI.escape to prefer over CGI::escape? I though URI.escape was deprecated
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<waxjar> i'd use http://devdocs.io/ruby/uri/generic#method-c-new, so you're sure each part of the URI gets escaped appropriately
<waxjar> (the rules are different for the path and the query string, iirc)
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<sami> I'll read it, thanks. It works with response = Net::HTTP.get_response(URI(URI.escape(url+params)))
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<sami> For HTTP URLs, a space in a path fragment part has to be encoded to "%20" (not, absolutely not "+"), while the "+" character in the path fragment part can be left unencoded.
<sami> CGI::escape does +, not %20
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<sami> waxjar: Good reading. Thanks
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<khighly> puts "Network Hashrate: #{nethash}" how would I divide nethash by 1000?
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<wasamasa> >> nethash=10000; "Network Hashrate: #{nethash/1000}"
<eval-in> wasamasa => "Network Hashrate: 10" (https://eval.in/290808)
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<khighly> thanks
<khighly> wasamasa: Is there a way to keep the decimals?
<wasamasa> divide by 1000.0?
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<wasamasa> anyways, this looks like it's venturing into the territory of format functions'
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<khighly> ah
<khighly> I knew that D:
<khighly> thanks again
<wasamasa> >> '%.2f' % (1/3.0)
<eval-in> wasamasa => "0.33" (https://eval.in/290809)
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<shmoon_> should Gemfile.lock go into gitignore?
<shmoon_> nope, not really. nvm
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<khighly> how do I bold puts "#{currentblock}"
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<ponga> does anyone know why when i perform bin/jruby -X+T , terminal does not respond
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<arup_r> Any body have some handy good blog posts to read about composition v/s inheritance ofcourse in Ruby..
<arup_r> ?
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<gregf_> hector, is this good perf wise(if the file grows): data = dict(map(lambda str: str.rstrip().split("="), open(file))) gdjgdgjdsg
<gregf_> sorry :/ wrong chat
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<shmoon_> I should be using rvm ? its recommended?
<gregf_> arup_r: composition is horizontal reuse and inheritance is vertical reuse.what more would you want to know :)
<ponga> chrisseaton: are you available?
<ponga> hello
<arup_r> gregf_: :)
<gregf_> but modules(mixins) allow for loose coupling and high cohesion
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<gregf_> like so: composition is 'uses' or has_a wheres inheritance is is_a
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<gregf_> w/wheres/whereas/
<havenwood> shmoon_: A single user install of RVM is a good option. I like to disable gemsets, since I find I don't need them with Bundler. Alternatively you can install with ruby-install and switch Rubies with chruby. Or if you don't need multiple Rubies and your package manager has a recent one, that might be a nice option.
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<havenwood> shmoon_: TL;DR: Yes.
<ponga> havenwood:
<ponga> i need ur help
<havenwood> ponga: hi
<ponga> i enabled graal as my jre as you told
<ponga> but if i try doing -X+T as in the truffle page, terminal returns nothing
<arup_r> gregf_: Are those replaceable ?
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<cHarNe2> is this how you guys do aswell or is there a nicer way of doing it, like taking a Hash as argument? def user_call_forwarding_always_modify_request(user_id, is_active=nil, forward_to_phone_number=nil, is_ring_slpash_active=nil)
<gregf_> arup_r: well modules can replace base_classes for sure. thats the switch between inheritance and delegation
<ponga> havenwood: http://pastie.org/9965604
<ponga> my problem
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<arup_r> gregf_: Do you have enough time? :)
<arup_r> Then I'll put some request...
<gregf_> arup_r:composition can be achieved as mixins
<gregf_> arup_r: unfortunately no :/
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<arup_r> gregf_: :(
* arup_r always fighting with his fortune.. But all the time getting defeated by them
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<gregf_> cHarNe2: sure a hash is better than so many arguments
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<cHarNe2> gregf_: ok
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<ponga> ;(
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<arup_r> ponga: what ?
<ponga> arup_r: im trying to use jruby9000 with truffle, i got graal on track but bin/jruby -X+T command(command to enable truffle and disable ruby kernal) does not work
<ponga> and it makes me sad
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<havenwood> ponga: jruby -X+T -e "puts 'hi'"
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<chrisseaton> ponga: yeah if you just run without a file it will wait for input on stdin - just like MRI
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<havenwood> ponga: You just need something to run, a file or a command. :)
<ponga> gud!
<ponga> havenwood: chrisseaton thanks it said hi and exited
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<ponga> wow this is good
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<ponga> chrisseaton: i find x2~3 improvement even on my ruby code compared to mri2.2.0
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<ponga> sweet
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<chrisseaton> ponga: you'll quickly find unimplemented stuff if you try anything complicated using core libraries, but the language itself is 93% done
<ponga> :)
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<DanBangWTFRajib> so you cannot mix symbol and string type for checking?
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<centrx> What?
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<gregf_> centrx: i guess he means :foo == 'foo'
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<Qladstone> :foo.to_s == "foo"
<centrx> "foo".to_sym
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<DanBangWTFRajib> http://pastie.org/9965746
<DanBangWTFRajib> yes.... its confusing for beginners :P
<centrx> DanBangWTFRajib, Symbol and String are different data types. Keep using the symbol, if type == :long
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<DanBangWTFRajib> centrx, yep I agree... but using symbols it feels like I haven't declared before so I am doing it wrong.. mindset...
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<DanBangWTFRajib> but I guess it can be used interchangebly with strings... give to_magics
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<arup_r> ponga: You are far ahead than me.. I don't understand what you are really doing....
<arup_r> :(
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<banister> any americans here? what is the 'postcode' in this address 125 West 26th Street, Chelsea, New York, NY 10001, USA ?
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<rom1504> I bet 10001
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<banister> rom1504 thanks
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<banister> rom1504 also is "manhattan" a city or is it new york that's the city?
<rom1504> "Manhattan /mænˈhætən/ is the most densely populated of the five boroughs of New York City. "
<rom1504> so new york is the city
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<rom1504> manhattan is a "Borough"
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<platzhirsch> How can I retrieve the index of an element in an array when == cannot be overriden, but I want to rely it on an attribute of the object
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<Fluent> What do you mean when == can not be overridden?
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<Fluent> Can't you just use array.index('element')
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<shevy> rom1504 haha cool... you have 5 boroughs there... 8 million people or so... vienna has 1.8 million people... and 23 districts, now that is expensive micromanagement here! :D
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<BLuEGoD> hi
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<olivier_bK> how can i get the result of linux command "scp" in array ?
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<olivier_bK> i try arrayTo << ` /usr/bin/scp -r xxxx xxxx`
<olivier_bK> but i get nothing in my array
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<Deckon> Hello
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<Deckon> Someone has done and A.I. or and expert system or and finite automaton with ruby?
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<shevy> when I have an array like %w( a b c a a a ) how to most easily get a hash representation that counts how many of each I'd have? b => 1 a => 4
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<shortCircuit__> hi
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<canton7> >> %w(a b c a a a).each_with_object(Hash.new{ |h,k| h[k] = 0 }){ |x,s| s[x] += 1 }
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<shevy> hmm each_with_object... guess I have to look at the docu
<havenwood> >> %w(a b c a a a).group_by(&:itself).map { |k, v| [k, v.size] }.to_h
<eval-in> havenwood => {"a"=>4, "b"=>1, "c"=>1} (https://eval.in/290938)
<canton7> how come you got a response?
<canton7> gah
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<shevy> there is so much I don't know in ruby :(
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<shevy> %w(a b c a a a).group_by(&:itself)
<shevy> is this new? I can't seem to get this to work on 2.1.5 ?
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<havenwood> shevy: yeah, `itself` is 2.2.0
<havenwood> shevy: Add it yourself: class Object; def itself; self end end
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<havenwood> shevy: The C implementation is just as simple: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Object.html#method-i-itself
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<havenwood> return obj;
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<shevy> hehe
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<havenwood> >> %w(a b c a a a).group_by { |_| _ }
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<havenwood> canton7: my luck ran out
<canton7> :(
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<shevy> >> 21+21
<eval-in> shevy => 42 (https://eval.in/290949)
<shevy> haha!
<shevy> the bot works, it just got dumber. keep simple instructions to it
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<ponga> shevy: did it get dumber?
<shevy> try a complex query with the bot ponga
<ponga> complex like what
<ponga> i can't even do complex ruby
<ponga> ;p
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<havenwood> >> require 'complex'; Complex.generic? 42
<shevy> :(
<eval-in> havenwood => undefined method `generic?' for Complex:Class (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/290963)
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<shevy> ponga do you know the old movie "2001: A Space Odyssey"?
<ponga> yeap
<ponga> what up with that
<shevy> the evil AI Hal who tries to murder the crew members :)
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<ponga> i only know the title and mere plot line
<ponga> so you saying eval-in is harmful like that? lol
<shevy> yeah it's a weird movie.. I found blade runner better... but the idea of an AI in distant space getting crazy is cool
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<shevy> >> puts 'me is crazy bot'
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<shevy> yes ponga
<shevy> he refuses to work!
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<shevy> he got a real AI now
<ponga> >> p "hello world"
<eval-in> ponga => "hello world" ... (https://eval.in/290968)
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<ponga> >> puts 'me is crazy bot'
<eval-in> ponga => me is crazy bot ... (https://eval.in/290969)
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<ponga> shevy: it obeys me
<jefus> >> 10.times { puts "all work and no play make eval-in a dull bot" }
<evil-in> jefus: I'm sorry, I can't do that jefus.
<mikecmpbll> :p
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<ponga> he refuses!
<jefus> :|
<mikecmpbll> rekt.
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<shevy> ponga see that is what bots need. they need a way to decide whether they want to do something or not
<shevy> and it can not be random, it must be intelligent
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<shevy> well a bit of random perhaps
<shevy> human beings are random after alcohol
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<mikecmpbll> i'm not random, i'm predictably embarassing.
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<ponga> shevy: i will show you the waifu bot then
<ponga> it could decide to nag or comfort you
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<shevy> omg
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<ponga> i nearly finished its own language, like 95%
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<ponga> gotta implement japanese on top of it ;p
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<shortCircuit__> umm, anyone work with delayed job?
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<atmosx> shortCircuit__: I worked with sidekiq
<shortCircuit__> ow.
<shortCircuit__> I mean the delayed_job gem
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<mikecmpbll> shortCircuit__: i do.
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<ponga> shevy: when my waifu bot is complete, i will make a fortune in japan ;)
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<shevy> you folks over there are very confusing
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<shortCircuit__> ok. I can't understand it https://gist.github.com/kares/1024726 . I mean for the first time , when rnu_every is set to 1 hour, then Delayed::Job.enqueue self, 0, run_at.utc gets executed , but then how does it reschedule itself the next time, after 1 hour
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<shevy> just tamagochi alone, I have no idea how anyone could want something as useless as that was!
<ponga> shevy: what's so wrong about having a friendly female bot that encourages you?
<shortCircuit__> *run_every
<shevy> ponga get a real one!!!
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<ponga> shevy: but for this one, waifu bot, you don't need any extra payment/care after initial purchase
<ponga> that's FAR better than real one
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<shortCircuit__> is it because of how delayed_job works https://github.com/collectiveidea/delayed_job/blob/master/lib/delayed/worker.rb#L230 ??
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<ponga> shevy: you will understand one day
<ponga> you will.....
* ponga deep emotional face
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<mikecmpbll> shortCircuit__: it performs the job, then after it's finished it calls schedule: https://gist.github.com/kares/1024726#file-scheduled_job-rb-L37-L40
<shevy> ponga hehehe that is a nice way to put it
<shevy> extra payment after initial purchase :D
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<mikecmpbll> schedule! then enqueues itself, at a time determined by: https://gist.github.com/kares/1024726#file-scheduled_job-rb-L62-L64
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<mikecmpbll> if run_interval is 2.hours, then after the job completes it schedules itself for 2.hours.from_now
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<ponga> shevy: you already liked how eval-in being coy on his duty
<ponga> why not waifu bot
<ponga> hehe
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<shortCircuit__> ok. got it. ty
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<shortCircuit__> Is the reschedule method required?
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<shortCircuit__> its not called anywhere
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<juanpaucar> Hi guys, a question how would you approach to test an app the must set environment vars to run tests?
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<Tomasso> why this returns error? a = {:a => "hola",:b => "chau",:c => a[:a].to_s}
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<avril14th> Tomasso: because a is not yet defined
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<avril14th> it will only at next instruction
<Tomasso> is also possible to do it like: a = {:a => "hola",:b => "chau",:c => self[:a].to_s} ? which also returns error
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<avril14th> nope
<canton7> again, 'a' is not yet defined
<ponga> avril14th: did you have to make empty one first
<ponga> hm
<Tomasso> and with self also impossible .. ?
<canton7> self refers to the current class instance, not the hash
<ponga> ah
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<ponga> a[:a].to_s
<ponga> i see
<avril14th> >> a = { :a => 'dsad', :b => 'dsadsad' } and a[:c] = a[:a].to_s
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<Tomasso> mmm . true.. and is there some way to reference itself??
<ponga> yop
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<ponga> like that
<ponga> like that one above Tomasso
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<ponga> a = { :a => 'dsad', :b => 'dsadsad' }; a[:c] = a[:a].to_s
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<ponga> you first create the hash, append later
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<Tomasso> AAAAAAHH ... thats nice
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<Tomasso> thank s a lot
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<shevy> ponga is now helping others!
<shevy> he can no longer be a noob
<gregf_> Tomasso: that would create a cyclic reference(weak ref or whatever) - so a memory leak
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<ponga> omg did i? did i just?
<ponga> im so glad
<gregf_> sorry, it needs to be a weak ref
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<canton7> weak ref? ruby isn't reference-counted...
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<gregf_> canton7: ah, well, but yeah. you get the idea ;)
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<canton7> sure, but it's irrelevant in a gc'd language :P
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<ponga> shevy: i should mark this on calendar ;)
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<ponga> whoa
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<BLuEGoD> silly question.. I've made my sinatra project a Gem (adding a gemspec and configuring the stuff in lib, etc). How do I test/run my project without installing the gem? do I still need my config.ru?
<shevy> hmm how to sort a hash by its keys, alphabetically?
<shevy> so that I get out: a, b, c, d
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<shevy> well
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<shevy> a => 5, b => 1, c => 8, d => 3
<shevy> hope you know what I mean
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<mozzarella> use sort
<jhass> .sort_by(&:first)
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<jhass> and keep the resulting array, depending on the order of the hash is not too nice
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<bradland> hashes have been ordered since 1.9
<bradland> whether or not to depend on that ordering is a matter of opinion
<shevy> ok
<bradland> in many languages, a hash is not ordered, but intended to be a key lookup based store only
<bradland> but in ruby, as of 1.9, they're ordered, so you can rely on it
<shevy> now I use an Array and am sad that I can not use .each_pair :(
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<mozzarella> >> { 'c' => 2, 'a' => 3 }.sort.to_h
<eval-in> mozzarella => {"a"=>3, "c"=>2} (https://eval.in/291025)
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<shevy> yay!
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<shevy> now I have a hash again
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<ponga> >> { 3 => "a", 2 => "C" }.sort.to_h
<ponga> uh oh
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<bradland> ponga broke da eval
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<bradland> that works for my locally, ponga
<bradland> => {2=>"C", 3=>"a"}
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<ponga> thanks
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<ponga> eval-in seems have obtained a ghost
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<bradland> i'm corporeal, so i prefer to think of myself more as a doppelganger
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<shevy> :)
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<shevy> skynet in terminator
<bradland> >> puts "Back from the dead!"
<eval-in> bradland => Back from the dead! ... (https://eval.in/291026)
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<gregf_> >>"Back from the dead!".scan(/\w+!?/).map(&:reverse)
<gregf_> dead again
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<gregf_> >> "Back from the dead!".scan(/\w+!?/).map(&:reverse)
<eval-in> gregf_ => ["kcaB", "morf", "eht", "!daed"] (https://eval.in/291027)
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<gregf_> space hmm
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<shevy> hehe
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<marx> Hi folks, is there any noticeable difference in speed between using .any? {|str| variable.include? str} over using an if elsif elsif else ?
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<marx> to give context, I'm checking that 3 sub-strings aren't included in a checked string
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<shevy> you could always try to test!
<yxejamir> You mean cond1 || cond2 || cond3, not elsif-s.
<jhass> marx: don't care, that won't be your bottleneck
<shevy> here is the benchmark skeleton I use: http://pastie.org/9966278
<shevy> marx I'd assume .any? will be faster
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<marx> that benchmark is cool, thanks shevy
<jhass> marx: what's variable though?
<jhass> string, array,...?
<shevy> marx well you have to fill it with the .any? and if else checks of course :)
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<marx> it's an array
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<marx> to be specific an array of selenium web elements
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<jhass> uh
<centrx> Use the form clearest to read that conveys the meaning of the code concisely and clearly
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<ponga> shevy: does ruby read 250_000 as 250000
<ponga> thanks, never knew this
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<shevy> ponga yeah
<jhass> marx: and you name "selenium web elements" "str"?
<shevy> keep it simple
<marx> heheh
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<jhass> so, you have to_check.any? {|item| other.include? item }, what is to_check, what is item, what is other?
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<marx> well in my current code it's an array that's input and then array.each do |element| element.text.to_s.downcase.include? "somestring"
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<marx> and elsif that same check against another string
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<jhass> okay, that's a bit different from your example :)
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<marx> heh yeah I suppose so
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<marx> but yeah, technically what I have works. I'm just looking for ways to reduce run time (even if it's a small amount)
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<jhass> as said, look for your bottleneck elsewhere, I doubt you'll be able to benchmark a difference in a real world app
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<marx> so yeah, to avoid being TOO abstract, this is what I currently have: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f28c0beb58ff194a3aea
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<marx> and it's good to know there's no real significant diff between those two methods
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<jhass> why the string "false" ?
<jhass> looks like an .any? { .any? } to me
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<bootstrappm> avril14th: ever get it fixed?
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<avril14th> bootstrappm: I changed the file reading
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<avril14th> BUT
<avril14th> I'm not happy since some text goes through different provide API
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<avril14th> so I don't know if I'll get that BOM thing at the end or not
<avril14th> :(
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<jhass> marx: and if you're looking to optimize .any? {|element| element.text.downcase =~ Regexp.union("apple.com", "banana.com") } might be faster, since it does a single pass over the string
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<marx> ooh thanks jhass I will give that a try
<jhass> marx: depending on your DOM, you might also be able to get a common parent for your elements in web_element_list and use its .text
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<bricker> why would an rspec seed cause a different order on different machines?
<bricker> ruby version is different too, would that matter?
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<bricker> huh
<bricker> it does
<bricker> *shrug*
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<foureight84> anyone with experience using sidekiq?
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<foureight84> i'm wondering if the pro version gives you statistics such as how long a job took to finish
<foureight84> or if there's any other sidekiq like queue that provides that kind of information
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<crome> foureight84: check out resque, I have no idea if it does what you want but it's the other fashionable job queue
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<bricker> :/
<bricker> crome: it doesn't
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<crome> btw, what I used to do is reporting stats from the jobs to statsd
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<foureight84> i'll check out resque and statsd
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<foureight84> weird thing about sidekiq is that i have no real idea of what the pro version offers
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<crome> it does job batches which can come in handy
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<foureight84> yea that is helpful but that seems to be it
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<foureight84> weird. anyway, thanks for the suggestions
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<jhass> foureight84: should be very easy to write an addon for that
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<foureight84> jhass: yea i figured that's what i'll have to do. just gotta dump when what runs and have the script dump the time when it finishes
<jhass> it's just a middleware
<jhass> and an extension to the webinterface if you want to get fancy
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<foureight84> $750 / year kind of middleware, lol
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<jhass> eh, I mean the time tracking, not sidekiq pro
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<jhass> oh, looks like there are funny things like https://github.com/kosmatov/sidekiq-benchmark/
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<foureight84> oh wow
<jhass> https://github.com/phstc/sidekiq-statsd there, the statsd solution
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<foureight84> awesome. i appreciate that
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<jhass> all I did was putting sidekiq into rubygems.org
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<Senjai> close
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<n3vtelen> is it ruby pure OO language?
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<jhass> n3vtelen: yes
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<n3vtelen> so it's not good for a novice, right?
<jhass> no, that's wrong
<jhass> it's very good for a novice
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<gregf_> n3vtelen: imo it is the best for a novice
<ducklobster> agreed^^
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<n3vtelen> I told that because of OO concepts
<jhass> non OO languages just have other concepts you need to learn instead
<jhass> it doesn't matter
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<n3vtelen> OK, thanks
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<Deckon> hello, someone had made a A.I. or and expert or and automaton in ruby...or know some documentatoion about it?
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<gregf_> nevans: the main OO concepts are what? inheritance, delegation, composition, polymorphism(not so much possible with dynamically typed languages), abstraction
<gregf_> er, sorry n3vtelen
<jhass> ^ of which you need to know none in order to write your first programs in ruby
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<jhass> gregf_: why's polymorphisim not possible?
<gregf_> but yeah with C#,java, C++ you have abstract_classes, interfaces, final_classes, static_blocks, syncronized_methods(mutexes, semaphores) etc etc
<jhass> it's maybe unnecessary, but why not possible?
<gregf_> jhass: as in method overloading, constructor overloading. operator overloading may be possible
<jhass> oh, that's what you call polymorphism
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<jhass> well, we have super and I think 2.2 got previous_def or something?
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<crome> previous_def :D:D
<crome> wow
<crome> super is a huge trap as it is
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<jhass> previous_def is the Crystal-ism, but I recall 2.2 added something similar
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<jhass> mmh, maybe i confused that with super_method
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<shevy> rdoc is the tool that generates local docu?
<shevy> http://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.png it treats lines with # = in a special, and more importantly incorrect, way :(
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<Deckon> A.I., Automaton, Expert system, someone?
<centrx> Yes I've heard of it
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<centrx> Are you referring to some specific Ruby library that does this whose name you can't remember...?
<Deckon> well I'm looking for a precedent
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<Deckon> documentation or if exist a library...
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<centrx> Deckon, I see some promising leads: https://www.google.com/search?q=ruby+a.i.
<centrx> Deckon, Pure AI research is often done in Lisp, or Scheme or whatever
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<Deckon> yes, boot I'm looking for a book or the tale of the experience with ruby
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<Deckon> *but
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<ponga> Deckon: why don't you try out yourself and have your own exprience
<ponga> ruby made me continue coding
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<pipework> Ruby made drinking my workhate away fun again!
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<redchicken> why do multiple workers try to complete the request when reverse proxying a simple rack app
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<ponga> pipework: that sounds like a psychotherapy course lol
<waxjar> you mean you quit drinking? :p
<Deckon> yes, I hav to, I'm looking documentation about it
<pipework> waxjar: No, it just made drinking fun.
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<waxjar> haha
<ponga> Deckon are you trying to write an ai that talks like human
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<Deckon> ponga, no, and expert system for traceroute
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<Deckon> among other things
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<centrx> Deckon, Computer science concepts are universal, not specific to one language.
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<pipework> Unless the language suck.
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<pipework> s
<centrx> yeah pipette is an expert on that
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<mic> How would I create my own method without def infront of it. Not really sure what I am asking but sinatra uses "get" for its routes like get '/' do ... end. What is this called and what is the theory behind it
<mic> ?
<redchicken> mic: get is a method
<redchicken> a method call
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<mic> redchicken: yes it is, however its seams as if the made there own command
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<redchicken> mic: um no
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<redchicken> you can define your own method "get"
<avril14th> good weekend everyone
<redchicken> and call it like that
<mic> how could I make a method like this
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<Deckon> centrx, I know, I'm looking for a precedent for documentation
<pipework> With ruby!
<mic> redchicken: and make it a do block?
<redchicken> defend a method that receives a block, just like sinatra
<pipework> Deckon: I don't think you'll find something to your liking.
<waxjar> mic, define them at the top level :)
<pipework> Most things are halfassed or not complete in that space.
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<pipework> If you want to find a community that does this kind of thing more thoroughly, look into the R community.
<pipework> Or C# or C++, but I'm not as familiar with them,
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<mic> can someone give me a working example of how I would create a method like this that I could call and use
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<mic> havenwood: so is the &block allowing it to be a do block?
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<havenwood> mic: you can alternatively not explicitly list `&block` and still use the block with `yield`
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<mic> havenwood: so yield is a reserved variable?
<Deckon> ok pipework, I want to work with ruby, so I have to work with what I have already
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<Deckon> thanks
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<mic> that I could use in the block?
<pipework> Deckon: Why not just use the other stuff from other languages and technical papers and translate to ruby?
<havenwood> mic: read up on Ruby blocks, they're handy
<mic> havenwood: thx
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<Deckon> pipework, in fact that's what I'll do
<jamgood96> I need to generate a form for adding/removing and updating relationships in a has_many through relationship. I currently have it working where I can update and remove the relationship and data, but have no idea how to create a form for adding
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<jamgood96> crap, wrong channel. sorry!
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<shevy> can we simplify ruby as a language
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<centrx> no
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<shevy> wow
<shevy> I found old ruby code that I wrote years ago
<shevy> Form = Class.new(WebBase)
<shevy> that is the same as: class Form < WebBase
<shevy> right?
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<centrx> in Python it is
<centrx> or something
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> why did I write this ...
<wallerdev> cuz you wanted to be different
<centrx> Must have been the old you
<centrx> never liked that guy
<centrx> new shevy is much cooler
<centrx> like a rock
<wallerdev> anyway yeah its thes ame thing
<wallerdev> i cant think of a difference
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<pipework> shevy: It is, yes.
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<pipework> I use the first way when I'm one-lining a class definition
<pipework> Like for errors.
<shevy> wallerdev I wonder too but the strange thing is
<shevy> I wrote like 20 other .rb files, where it is class Foo < WebBase
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<shevy> and now suddenly, that file, uses direct setters... like def Form.table
<shevy> Form.instance_variable_set('@mode', DEFAULT_FORM_MODE)
<shevy> what was I thinking
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<wallerdev> maybe its one of those things where you find out about a feature and try to use it immediately just because you know about it
<wallerdev> i did that with function hoisting in javascript
<wallerdev> lol
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<shevy> yeah that may be
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<shevy> I once tried to desperately find a use case for @@foo variables
<wallerdev> haha
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<pipework> shevy: I haven't found anything that really needs it either.
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<pipework> Every time I pretend I have, I just extract an object. :(
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<shevy> hehe
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<ArchBeOS> is there a tool that can help me template out a page, kinda like slim or haml pages, but write them out as static HTML after rendering it?
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<pipework> Most of the tools that let you write those things output html. Whether you dynamically process it or not isn't really what they're concerned about or even limit.
<pipework> Consider using tilt or even something fully premade like jekyll.
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* atmosx Leny Kravitz - R U Gonna Go My Way
<atmosx> shevy: I have a case in my latest program
<atmosx> not just one, but a coule of class variables actually...
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<atmosx> I need to keep track of the same queue in several objects
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<shevy> aha
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<Synthead> in a case statement, is there a variable I can use to reference the original object in case ___ ?
<atmosx> 4 actually, 4 class variables, a counter (current counter), 2 queus (an array and a hash) and the logger
<waxjar> Synthead: local variable? x = 1; case x ... etc
<wallerdev> uhh what
<Synthead> waxjar: that's what I thought, heh. Just curious if there was a var set or something of that nature
<wallerdev> oh are you calling a method or something in your case?
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<Synthead> wallerdev: tossing an array in it
<wallerdev> ah
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<Senjai> Synthead: You probably wouldnt want a switch statement in that case then
<Senjai> If you need to access the variable
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<waxjar> why not?
<Synthead> Senjai, waxjar: this kinda thing: http://pastie.org/9966766
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<Senjai> Yeah
<Senjai> Noi
<Senjai> #nope #dontdoit
<Senjai> #rubyisoop
<Senjai> Synthead: OperatingSystem should probably be an object in your code
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<Synthead> Senjai: I'm reading from a csv :)
<Senjai> Synthead: Then read from a csv, into objects
<Synthead> Senjai: that's what this case statement does :p
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<waxjar> in this case you could translate the array to one of the key symbols in the hash
<waxjar> or even use the array itself as the key
<Senjai> OperatingSystem.new(vendor : csv["OSVendor"], version: csv["OperatingSystemVersion"] .. etc)
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<Senjai> OperatingSystem.exists?
<Senjai> err
<Senjai> OperatingSystem#exists?
<shevy> OperatingSystem.is_ruby? # => true
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<Senjai> You dont need a case object
<Senjai> err case statement
<Senjai> just load it into operating system objects, and let them have the logic
<Senjai> Im saying all the wrong things today :.
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<shevy> if only it were today
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<shevy> but it is every day!!!
<shevy> hmm I have a problem here I think
<shevy> getting all constants in a subclass... but from a class method defined in a parent
<shevy> oh wait
<shevy> I was using self.class; without .class it works
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<despai> hello people
<wallerdev> yoooo
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<despai> Any of you know a good example where I can see how to structure big amount of rspec tests (+files) to test a public http json api?
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<shevy> slightly off-topic question: any of you has a recommendation how to enable short "message box" on-mouse-over events, on a website? I need some way to display a tiny info box, after like a mouse cursor is over a few special <div> containers, after like 5 seconds or so
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<Rapier-> Anyone here actively use the WPScan utility, that I can bounce a question off of?
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<diranged> hey i need a quick hand.. how can i take [ 'foo', 'bar', 'baz'] and turn it into [ 'foo.2', 'bar.2', 'baz.2' ]?
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<centrx> arr.map { |x| "#{x}.2" }
<diranged> perfect thanks
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<jimbow> ruby sucks dick and if you program in ruby you are a cock sucking faggot
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<waxjar> does ruby actuallly optimize for _ as a argument name or is it just a convention?
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<davzie> I'm playing with Rails, and to be honest, it's doing far too much magic shit for my liking, I'm coming from a PHP background and wanted something more akin to Laravel. It appears that using a controller method from a route requires me to have a view matching the controller name etc. Is this 'how it is' or is being new to Rails just meaning I'm not understanding potentially underlying flexibilities of the
<davzie> framework?
<centrx> davzie, You can change naming, it just works better if you don't: "convention over configuration"
<jamgood96> davzie: Rails is a very opinionated framework
<davzie> Rails is too opinionated for my liking
<davzie> Am I being a perfectionist because of this? Are there any practical concerns with a framework being so limiting when building potentially large applications?
<jamgood96> check out padrino
<davzie> I've heard the next go-to framework should be Sinatra?
<weaksauce> waxjar not sure but I'd imagine that it doesn't assign things to an object which would cut down on object creation and memory use
<jamgood96> davzie: i don't at all see how rails is limiting for large applications. opinionated != limited persay
<centrx> davzie, padrino is built on top of Sinatra, but yes, Sinatra is the next most common web framework
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<davzie> I may want URLs to not reflect the underlying business representation of the app
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<davzie> So rails scares me a little
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<centrx> davzie, The URL is mapped to the controller action in routes
<centrx> davzie, If you're using 'resources', that does it all automatically, but you can map the URL to the controller action yourself
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<centrx> davzie, The directory and file structure for controllers and views should still use the common names, but you can map the route with any name you like
<davzie> Gotcha!
<davzie> I'll just keep building and see where I end up ;)
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<waxjar> weaksauce: hmm, seems to be no real difference https://gist.github.com/britishtea/e0bbbce9129d8c1a6b93
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<centrx> davzie, Also, the Rails channel is at #rubyonrails
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<weaksauce> interesting
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<waxjar> (mri 2.2.0p0 this is)
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<davzie> centrx: Cheers !
<bricker> How do you use a different version of ruby with the bot?
<Mon_Ouie> 18>> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> Mon_Ouie => "1.8.7" (https://eval.in/291193)
<bricker> thanks
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<bradland> was futzing around with some of the "problems" listed in this python article: https://www.hackerschool.com/blog/74-a-string-of-unexpected-lengths
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<bradland> the output of example_3 doesn't work because of the formating characters
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<bradland> curious how to approach that in ruby
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<bradland> >> "\x1b[31mhit!\x1b[0m".center(14,'*')
<eval-in> bradland => "\e[31mhit!\e[0m*" (https://eval.in/291213)
<bradland> >> puts "\x1b[31mhit!\x1b[0m".center(14,'*')
<eval-in> bradland => [31mhit![0m* ... (https://eval.in/291214)
<bradland> hrm, eval isn't the best at this because of the ANSI escape sequences
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<bradland> so strip, center, re-decorate?
<baweaver> seems like the best way
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<baweaver> not a fan of the monkey patch idea, but it appears to work.
<baweaver> just google: 'ruby remove ansi colors'
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<baweaver> turns up some good content.
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<bradland> yeah, lots of the terminal colorizing libraries monkey patch string
<bradland> probably because they're so old
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<pipework> You should consider trying Open3 and passing the string into ruby and using ARGV and see what the size is.
<bradland> when monkey patching was more fashionable
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<bradland> pipework: you know i love me some Open3 :P
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<baweaver> I think Colorize has options for it to not patch
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<baweaver> or it was rainbow
<baweaver> I forge
<baweaver> t
<puppeh_> I use a gem that uses net/http and I want to make it timeout in a fixed amount of time
<pipework> Forge away!
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<puppeh_> ie. set my own timeout for every thing that gem does with net/http
<baweaver> yep
<puppeh_> do you have any better way than this? http://stackoverflow.com/a/9314336/1242778
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<baweaver> appears to be open_timeout or read_timeout
<baweaver> I tend to use Typhoeus myself unless I have a barebones box I need to jack with
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<baweaver> puppeh_: See above
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<puppeh__> can I specify read_timeout in net/http to be 500ms for eg?
<puppeh__> something smaller than 1 sec
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<wallerdev> yup
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<wallerdev> just 0.5 is fine
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<puppeh__> wallerdev: I've set a read_timeout to 0.1 but it doesn't have any effect
<puppeh__> although open_timeout does
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<wallerdev> well it says it accepts floats
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<baweaver> Any way to get all keyword arguments like an old 1.9.x options hash?
<Senjai> Nope
<Senjai> It's what makes em different!
<Senjai> What's the legit way to urlencode again?
<Senjai> I remember CGI escape is a nono
<pipework> **kwargs
<pipework> baweaver: ^
<Senjai> ^
<Senjai> TIL
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<baweaver> hm
<Senjai> but I would just use a hash... if I wanted a hash
<baweaver> was seeing that
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<baweaver> thought it was hacky
<Senjai> I also havent found a use for a hash splat yet either
<Senjai> the **
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<Senjai> Rack::Utils.escape
<Senjai> seems to be leading contender
<Senjai> pref over ERB::Util.url_encode
<pipework> It's not really hash splat, it's keyword argument splat.
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<pipework> The only reason that matters is because you can still pass in a hash, though you need the curly braces.
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<Senjai> Ah, I had heard it called a hash splat
<Senjai> but other places seem to call it a double splat
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<Senjai> >> *{test: "thing"}
<Senjai> >> [ *{test: "thing"}
<eval-in> Senjai => /tmp/execpad-84423d6e1515/source-84423d6e1515:3: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue, expecting ']' ... (https://eval.in/291248)
<Senjai> >> p *{test: "thing"}
<eval-in> Senjai => [:test, "thing"] ... (https://eval.in/291249)
<pipework> I see what you mean.
<Senjai> >> p **{test: "thing"}
<pipework> I hadn't heard a name for it yet
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<shevy> I call it mega splat
<shevy> it even splats flies
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<pipework> Just because I miss eigen, eigensplat
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<shevy> haha
<shevy> eigen means self
<shevy> so that is selfsplat here
<pipework> Yeah I know what it means, I just wanted to introduce it again.
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* pipework likes eigenclass
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<jen_> I realize this is a sequel migration. Can someone explain the last arguments mysql : bundle exec sequel -m db/migrations -E mysql://localhost/conversion_tracker_dev
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<jen_> iis conversion_tracker_dev a file that is used to configure the db?
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<centrx> and...it's gone
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<shevy> like my money!
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<centrx> shevy, http://dogecoin.com/
<centrx> You'll be raking it in in no time
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<baweaver> I always come in on an odd note
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<shevy> beavers always come late to the party
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