<DocScrutinizer05>
this video probably made by designers
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/video/idea
<qi-bot>
DocScrutinizer05 meant: "this idea probably made by designers"
<DocScrutinizer05>
dang you, qibot!
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<DocScrutinizer05>
oops, correction: it was kerio to notice "clearly, a cpu only needs 4 pins", not dos1
<wpwrak>
"This video is currently unavailable." what did i miss ?
<whitequark>
"hi-freq connectors are expensive" "it's a challenge. let's make cheaper connectors."
<whitequark>
"let's use usb. for camera and display panel"
<whitequark>
"ok, usb doesn't work, let's use hdmi for display instead"
<whitequark>
"clearly it is possible to at least upgrade RAM size"
<whitequark>
(from our internal chat)
<whitequark>
-_-
<DocScrutinizer05>
bwahahahaha
<whitequark>
"yeah, connectors are expensive, but I totally would solder that"
<whitequark>
he was fucking serious all the time
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: maybe they recognized how much nonsense it been, and took it down?
<whitequark>
please excuse me while I'd cry down in a corner
* DocScrutinizer05
hands whitequark a lolly
<whitequark>
wpwrak: still works for me
<DocScrutinizer05>
WFM2
<whitequark>
"companies are opposed to modular design because this means they'll get to sell less phones"
<whitequark>
"yeah, it works for notebooks this way too"
* whitequark
headdesks
<larsc>
whom are you talking to?
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<whitequark>
*cough* colleagues *cough*
<cde>
hi larsc
<larsc>
hello
<cde>
how are you?
<larsc>
I'm fine
<cde>
good
<wpwrak>
ah, a general rant.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: start with a "simple" thing: make WLAN a module! Ask your colleague how to handle that on a embedded level. What to do when the next chip doesn't use SPI but any arbitrary other interface?
<cde>
just use a otherinterface-to-spi bridge ;) like pcie to spi, problem solved
<DocScrutinizer05>
or go for modem. One uses USB, one "usb"-ULPI, one fast-UART, the next usues shared RAM, the next ... You see?
<wpwrak>
cde: wrong
<cde>
I was trolling, wpwrak
<wpwrak>
cdw: the correct answer is: "use an Arduino" !
<cde>
haha true :)
<cde>
or maybe a raspberry pi would be perfect
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<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: you can bit-bang 'em all :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
(modem) some come with GPS, some even with MiMO (multi aerials) for diversity. You're going to have ~6 general-purpose antenna connectors on your generic modem module socket?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: yep, clearly the silicon doesn't do anything else ;-)
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: their answer to that is "let's just use usb for everything"
<DocScrutinizer05>
in the end everything is just bitbang
<whitequark>
and obviously no clue about aerials
<whitequark>
"well there should be some way"
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: my answer to *that* is: USB is about as bad as it gets for a general purpose low power interface
<whitequark>
you understand that. I understand that. average joe has a bunch of USB peripherals which "just work"
<wpwrak>
i would nominate PLC :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
your modular phone based on "USB for everything" will hardly work >3h even on a bulky battery
<wpwrak>
a very reasonably-sized car battery should do just fine
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<whitequark>
"well, ten years ago we had brick-sized phones and now we have 100000 more powerful ones in a fraction of size!"
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can even make a BLOK out of it
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, thanks to specialization in interfaces
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks to MIPI HSI etc
<DocScrutinizer05>
nix USB
<whitequark>
the ultimate answer to "no, it's not possible with current tech" is "dude why are you so boring"
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
<DocScrutinizer05>
stop that discussion, it's futile
<whitequark>
long ago
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-)
<larsc>
well, people should be allowed to dream
<whitequark>
it's just those guys whose solution for every problem is an arduino. very cringeworthy.
<whitequark>
(that's not even a metaphor)
<larsc>
well if all you have is an hammer...
<whitequark>
... you will very likely soon miss a finger or two
<whitequark>
what were we talking about again?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and peel your eggs with a hammer
<DocScrutinizer05>
and spread the butter on your toast with a hammer
<wpwrak>
now we know how the nutritional value of egg shell fragments in scrambled eggs was discovered
<DocScrutinizer05>
and claim "a hammer is an awesome tool, look what I can do with it"
<wpwrak>
and then you become a dentist ...
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