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<Aceface> can someone please help me with this pos atheros ar9485 wireless bug, it is driving me insane
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<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: btw, does the GTA04 design have some issues that may be a problem if inherited by Neo900 ? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-September/068921.html
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: yep
<DocScrutinizer05> one problem I suspect is with suspend-to-ram which is not a sensible mode for OMAP
<DocScrutinizer05> the problem with modem as well as any power consumption issues may well be caused by improper implementation of this suspend state
<DocScrutinizer05> one of the reasons to port maemo fremantle
<DocScrutinizer05> it's known to provide proper power management on this platform
<DocScrutinizer05> largely reduced number of kernel device drivers to check since they are "new"
<DocScrutinizer05> suspend to ram also might have real hw problems, e.g with dangling/floating lines
<DocScrutinizer05> OMAP isn't meant to suspend to RAM, it suspends in situ in the static CPU registers
<DocScrutinizer05> the whole suspend concept been a botch born from a pinch OM been in, between available SoCs and the availablitiy of zero-clock on those
<wpwrak> so OMAP's standby is inefficient ... because you can't shut down the power rails ?
<wpwrak> floating lines sound more like a sw problem than hw. well, if they only float in "static"standby :)
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway http://privatepaste.com/42eb06c8fe
<wpwrak> i suppose you already searches for pull-ups and pull-downs ?
<DocScrutinizer05> this is with wlan and IRC active!
<DocScrutinizer05> N900
<wpwrak> nice :)
<DocScrutinizer05> do that with suspend-to-ram!
<DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05> NB the device yells as soon as my name gets highlighted on IRC
<DocScrutinizer05> with GTA02 and even usual distros on GTA04 you have a hard time getting 10h standby in this situation
<DocScrutinizer05> ooh, I forgot: of course GSM modem onine as well
<DocScrutinizer05> OMAP is particularly inefficient when USB fsckng mentorgraphics musb-core gets involved
<DocScrutinizer05> ther are at least 3 power domains you need to take care about: CPU<->musb bus, musb-core itself, musb <-ULPI-> PHY
<DocScrutinizer05> the whole crap eats 60mA just for being activated
<DocScrutinizer05> and I guess when you mess up with deactivation, some data lines might float in undefined states
<DocScrutinizer05> somebody did statistics and found a very strange 2mA granularity of suspend-to-RAM quiescent current
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess 2mA for each data line that happens to be 1 (or 0) while other end is suspended, or sth like that
<DocScrutinizer05> you recall similar problem with GTA02 display driver? deactivating video data and the video bus ate some 30mA worst case
<DocScrutinizer05> depending on last pixel that been pending to get transfered to LCD
<DocScrutinizer05> only cloudy memories here, but we definitely had sth like that
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<DocScrutinizer05> the GTA04 shouldn't eat more than ~10mA without any powerhogs like LEDs and TX and amps enabled. The OS guys need to check that first
<DocScrutinizer05> unless we reach proper power consumption in idle, we don't even need to look at suspend at all
<wpwrak> naw, don't remember that. we may have had GPIOs that weren't being driven properly, though. but that's just a sw fix.
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: anyway if you're interested: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/48/ schematics
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