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<kristianpaul> hmm why detect silently return nothing after cable milkymist set on urjtag..
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<kristianpaul> hmm debug seems not help that much.
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<viric> hellekin: I was just trolling a bit for fun. Don't take me serious on that :)
<apelete> Good morning #qi-hardware
<apelete> I am planning to solder a serial console output port on my ben nanonote by following the wiki instructions here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console
<apelete> but then I stumble upon the UBB: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/UBB
<apelete> can the UBB be used to make a serial output port more easily ?
<larsc> no
<apelete> larsc: no ?
<larsc> well, you can have UART on the UBB, but that's gpio bitbanging based uart
<apelete> larsc: I don't get it, what do you mean ? what I need is a serial output to debug uboot and the kernel during aerly boot
<apelete> is that possible using a UBB or not ?
<larsc> no
<larsc> (well it is, given you invest enough time to implement it, but not out of the box)
<apelete> larsc: ok, so txd, rxd and gnd pins accessible under the ben's battery cannot be accessed with a UBB
<larsc> yes
<apelete> larsc: thanks a lot. it's a pity though :)
<larsc> the UBB pins go straigth to the MMC pins of the JZ4740. And since there is no internal pin muxer you can only either use them as GPIOs or MMC.
<hellekin> viric :P :P
<hellekin> :)
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<kristianpaul> wpwrak: about FPGA Programming for the Masses you pointed latelly, dont you think fpgas may take advantage if the model of running apps on a operating systems change to the app be the operating system, so it can be easilly tied to a hw modelated on a fpga?
<whitequark> masses can't figure out threads, much less fpgas
<whitequark> kristianpaul: besides, I think that it makes much more sense to use FPGA as a reconfigurable coprocessor alongside a 'proper' host CPU
<whitequark> such as parallella with the ARM core powerful enough to run ubuntu and gcc, and the SIMD array. it's the same overall design
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<whitequark> the article correctly notes that for any particular workload, FPGA is far more power (and cost) efficient
<whitequark> but what it doesn't note is that for an arbitrary workload, traditional CPU still excel
<kristianpaul> threads, :)
<larsc> well, a bit simplified, but still, cpus are good for sequential stuff, fpgas for parallel
<whitequark> larsc: that's only a part of the story
<kristianpaul> sure sure, looks a network sw, it have a cpu for the general stuff and ASICs for the custom sw routing fabric
<whitequark> what will you choose, a real, hardware and fast (way faster than its fpga analogue) ARM core running linux, or a hypothetical ideal-for-linux core on an FPGA?
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<whitequark> and not all parallel workloads can work on an FPGA
<kristianpaul> larsc: but how to agree in that parallel computing, when at the end talking with the fpga relays on a memory maped sutff not something you could ask your kernel do for you, unless you write a driver ;)
<larsc> well these days we have stuff like OpenCL to offload tasks for example to the graphics card
<larsc> the same can be done with reconfigurable fpgas
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<larsc> the problem though is, you can't really built bitstreams on demand these days
<whitequark> ... yet
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<viric> apelete: when I started debugging kernel things, I wrote this: http://viric.name/cgi-bin/nanonixos/doc/trunk/doc/kerneldbg/index.wiki
<apelete> viric: wow, thanks
<apelete> viric: so you soldered a serial port on the nanonote to achieve this ?
<viric> nah
<viric> I soldered thin wires to the pads below the battery
<viric> so I can have the battery in
<apelete> viric: ok, that's what I meant by "soldered a serial port"
<viric> ok
<viric> then I have a ftdi cable, for 3.3v
<apelete> I bought an FTDI cable too. I was wondering if the "soldering wires" option was the only one to get a serial output on the nanonote
<apelete> but it seems there's no other way. soldering it will be.
<guanucoluis1> hi all, anyone used a jtag-broad based ft2232d?
<viric> board?
<viric> doesn't the sheevaplug use that?
<guanucoluis1> yes, board, sorry
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