2019-07-05

<Joerg-Neo900> just compile, grab the error msg and start a apt-cache search on that $error-missing-pkgname, then install, compile again and see if error vanished. If no, install next pkg found in step2 by apt-cache search. Continue until build succeeds. Then make clean, remove first of the list of installed pkgs and check if compiling fails now? IF YES: reinstall removed pkg ENDIF LOOP next pkg on list

2019-04-27

<Joerg-Neo900> rEv9: sorry, the time was faster than Neo900 evolution. The project isn't really plausible anymore. Too many roadblocks that can't get overcome, unless we would find a sponsor for STEP2

2019-04-15

<Joerg-Neo900> going right to STEP2 (new case, new SoC, plans had i.MX8M) been the path we tried to follow with a VC partner a year ago, but that got hybernated due to HR issues on partner's side

2019-04-01

<Joerg-Neo900> of possibkle changes IF any venture capital would come in to tackle a variant called STEP2 that's not based on N900 anymore. U will check again if any inbound payment shows up and will refund it to you in case I find such transfer

2019-03-18

<Joerg-Neo900> and that STEP2 also is not completely dead yet and might resurrect any time
<Joerg-Neo900> I have very little hope for the project in its original form. A year ago I tried starting STEP2 with a VC partner and the plan was to give all Neo900 customers a free upgrade to STEP2. Or partial refund. Alas the VC partner had problems establishing their plans regarding financing and human resources

2019-02-21

<Joerg-Neo900> there were two opportunities to carry on with STEP2 with partners, at beginning of last year. Both evaporated into nonsensical requirements either regarding HR or limit of available funds. Since then I think there's a better futer elsewhere for me
<norly> in some way, it sounds a lot like STEP2, doesn't it?
<DocScrutinizer05> or maybe they simply copy Neo900 (or STEP2)

2019-01-18

<norly> hi, does the neo900 team work together with the Pyra Phone project? that sounds a lot like Step2, and it': https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/gta15-pyraphone.83499/#post-1446944

2019-01-03

<Joerg-Neo900> meanwhile: STEP2
<Joerg-Neo900> (thermal problems) so we opted for the yet to get released(?) i.MX8 dedicated to battery powered embedded when we drafted STEP2 specs
<Joerg-Neo900> >>Yhaving termal issues with i.MX8M and replacing the SoC to i.MX8M Mini is still not out of the question<< this was not even a question from very beginning, for me. Thermal problems were on top of the list with SoC selection criteria and ruled out all the i.MX8 available at that point in time (start of 2018) for Neo900 STEP2

2018-11-30

<Joerg-Neo900> STEP2 is actually way simpler to build since, like everybody else finally found out they have to do, we chosen M.X6 SoC for it
<Joerg-Neo900> my VC partners were very excited about STEP2 and it's a pity our plans didn't pan out, but they told me the project is not cancelled but on hold, and I hope they find a way to realize what they planned so STEP2 could resume. Or maybe I can find new VC partners
<Joerg-Neo900> I started STEP2 at beginning of year, based on MX.6 and with competitive form factor, with support by VC, and the idea was to offer all Neo900 customers either an upgrade (while still eventually creating the original Neo900 for the "we did it" and handing it out on top as a bonus) . alas VC didn't perform as promised

2018-11-13

<DocScrutinizer05> ~step2
<DocScrutinizer05> for sure we need such a concept for a successor device (STEP2) no matter if we can and will build Neo900 or not

2018-05-26

<Joerg-Neo900> Neo900 and STEP2 would be more important than ever. Alas the interest and understanding by 'marjet' aka customers/users is worse than ever

2018-03-23

<Joerg-Neo900> ~step2

2018-03-07

<Joerg-Neo900> folks, while waiting for metacollin to show up again, let's do something useful and specify a few details for STEP2. To start with - which SoC to use?

2018-02-25

<Juesto> so, like special offer available to stuff step2 soc onto n900? interesting
<Joerg-Neo900> *maybe* when STEP2 flies, we can even run a "collectors vintage job" shoehorning STEP2 mobo into N900 cases
<Sveta> <Joerg-Neo900> STEP2 is same spirit, same guidelines, same goals. Just without the strict "must be compatible to N900" rule
<Oksana> Well, with Leste in development, Maemo Leste may as well run on different hardware. But some of points of "Nokia N900" are "good keyboard", "stylus", and so on. So, Step2 fitting into Nokia N900's case would still be an important requirement.
<Joerg-Neo900> STEP2 is same spirit, same guidelines, same goals. Just without the strict "must be compatible to N900" rule
<Oksana> Joerg-Neo900 : If Step2 is drastically different from Neo900, some people might opt for "money back"
<Sveta> whats step2 like?
<Oksana> And for the record, if you skip making Neo900, I am all for converting my Neo900 pre-order into Step2 pre-order.
<Oksana> One million. Thousand of pre-orders. Thousand per pre-order. Sounds relatively well. Question is, how much of Neo900 work would translate into Step2 work? Wouldn't want to even think of starting Step2 from scratch (VC or no).
<Joerg-Neo900> Oksana: nope, no few years. I won't do this again on subsidy for all levels. without decent VC no way to start STEP2 now
<Oksana> Which SoC for Step2 would be Maemo Leste friendly and yet relatively modern? Do take into account that by the time proto_v2 for Step2 will be made, another few years will pass.
<Joerg-Neo900> STEP2 would at very least be OMAP5
<Oksana> How difficult would it be to make Maemo Leste run on Step2? As in, Step2 wouldn't be based on OMAP3?
<Joerg-Neo900> STEP2 schematics would be a new device, though much based on Neo900 schematics
<Joerg-Neo900> go figure we could do STEP2 with sufficient VC to actually hire engineers and produce devices without much preorder hassle, how would that sound to you?
<Oksana> Step2 would need a significant change of all schematics? If there is no way to move Neo900 forward right now, may as well use the time to work on Step2 (instead of pondering on Neo900), maybe Step2 publicity attracts pre-orders to Neo900 as well
<Joerg-Neo900> that's why I said let's ponder to go STEP2 right away
<Joerg-Neo900> we might never reach this on N900-based Neo900, so maybe STEP2 is the way to go, think big (enough)
<Joerg-Neo900> maybe going straight for STEP2 is a thing to consider

2018-02-11

<Joerg-Neo900> ~step2
<Joerg-Neo900> ~literal step2
<Joerg-Neo900> Step2 is not really existing as a project yet
<Joerg-Neo900> ~step2
<Joerg-Neo900> that's planned for STEP2
<DocScrutinizer05> well, first pyra delayed neo900 for key team member allocating time to pyra exclusively, then pyra "sabotaged" neo900 by key team member explaining they can't do layout anymore because "burnout from pyra" or somesuch. And now pyra-phone which is basically exactly what neo900 successor STEP2 always been meant to be

2017-10-11

<Joerg-Neo900> for Neo900 that step to go "modern and leete" is planned for the Next device: Step2

2017-08-27

<Joerg-Neo900> and I'm looking into flexible display technologies for STEP2

2017-04-17

<Joerg-Neo900> but then for STEP2 device already

2017-01-20

<infobot> from memory, step2 is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602
<Joerg-Neo900> ~step2

2016-11-29

<ceene> yep, without that, no tablet, no step2 and no nothing
<Joerg-Neo900> ~STEP2
<infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, step2 is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602
<Joerg-Neo900> that's STEP2

2016-10-23

<Joerg-Neo900> depending on economy, you might even get STEP2 for free when you're an early Neo900 adopter
<Joerg-Neo900> soit's more attractive to get a Neo900 and then also get a STEP2 later, than to wait for STEP2 to maybe get available eventually
<Joerg-Neo900> also note that there will be a policy to get a "substantial refund" discount for all Neo900 owners, on STEP2 devices
<Joerg-Neo900> ~step2
<Joerg-Neo900> a last word on that last question: *I* have planes for a Neo900 STEP2 device, after the Neo900 device demonstrated feasibility

2016-09-13

* Oksana offers suggestions for name of Step2 device: Rosetta, Dual, Dexter. Rosetta is about the most peaceful one, given how Dual is similar to Duel.

2016-09-12

<Oksana> About STEP2: I would like the idea of eink display involved somehow. Low-power. Also, screen-not-smash when phone is falling somewhere is an important factor. I see PocketChip, one of my thoughts is " this display needs screen protector at the very least ". Well, another thought is " what have they done with keyboard? ", but keyboard will survive a crash. Screen is just, one of the most...

2016-09-11

<DocScrutinizer05> while same time explaining that we probably can't finish Neo900 when everybody would hope for a STEP2 instead of getting a Neo900 first
<DocScrutinizer05> and re "Osborne Effect" we're planning to offer *very* attractive STEP2 upgrade plans for Neo900 owners
<DocScrutinizer05> ~step2
<DocScrutinizer05> all this is planned for STEP2

2016-08-16

<DocScrutinizer05> even if we give away STEP2 for free to all Neo900 owners, this should have less than 10% impact on the sales price of STEP2
<DocScrutinizer05> *if* STEP2 flies
<DocScrutinizer05> and since STEP2 is planned in the 10.000s range, not <1000 like Neo900, we should be actually be able to do this
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, I'm absolutely determined to reward Neo900 supporters when it comes to STEP2. They made it possible
<n1x_> You said that you guys might give Neo900 owners discounts on the STEP2 if you come out with it?
<n1x_> Yeah, the Pyra seems like it'll be really neat but making it replace a phone would be awkward. Too bad STEP2 won't be coming anytime soon, if at all :^)
<DocScrutinizer05> nothing decided yet about STEP2, except it will definitely come with a decent kbd
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, STEP2 will definitely come with an alternative to onscreen vkbd, most likely a classical hw kbd to slide out
<n1x_> I hadn't heard of that. But given the development pace of the Neo900, yeah I won't torture myself with anticipation about STEP2 lol
<DocScrutinizer05> not sure, depending on commercial success of STEP2 we even might give them to Neo900 owners for free
<DocScrutinizer05> just I plan to offer a special deal to Neo900 owners when STEP2 gets available
<DocScrutinizer05> we plan a new device instead of an upgrade for Neo900 (dubbed 'STEP2'), which will use a larger screen, SoC with more grunt (OMAP5 most likely), and own (or sourced in numbers) case to accomodate the larger screen
<DocScrutinizer05> ~step2

2016-04-17

<DocScrutinizer05> alas those dreams vanished, if they ever existed. Or they got postponed at a point in time quite a while after STEP2
<DocScrutinizer05> resp already would finish STEP2
<DocScrutinizer05> ~step2
<DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 ismeant to allow a smooth migration to a blob-free neo-fremantle, and when we achieved that, we can go STEP2 which is meant to be OMAP5 based
<DocScrutinizer05> that's next step, aka STEP2

2016-03-29

<Kabouik_> Ah, so STEP2 would walk away from the goood ol' N900!
<DocScrutinizer05> no, STEP2 is a new design
<DocScrutinizer05> STEP2? unpredictable
<DocScrutinizer05> drathir: yes, we hope for that, though the idea is to continue with STEP2 then, which would actually allow us to go to OMAP5

2016-03-12

<DocScrutinizer05> well, we still don't have a design for next device we plan to build (maybe), dubbed STEP2. Might maybe look like E90, sort of

2016-01-02

<DocScrutinizer05> xman: this is already "in the pipeline" :-) search on tmo for "STEP2"

2015-09-14

<DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: right now we're terribly busy with Neo900 the first. No time at all to think about STEP2 details
<Oksana> Are there any plans about STEP2? Besides OMAP5, fingerprint-reader/optical-mouse-sensor, e-ink display, projector, and musings about audio (4-pole vs 5-pole)? http://gadgets-cellphone.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/6-cool-cell-phone-concepts.html Because form-factor for STEP2 is going to be the battle of the century, unless you find a way to use the same board in several different cases

2015-09-04

<edwin> might be interesting to pitch your idea (either of neo900 or step2) to some investors just to see what their reaction is
<DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 is a one-shot basically, without a perspective for 'eternal growth' - unless we come up with STEP2 which is still pretty much vaporware

2015-08-04

<DocScrutinizer05> maybe STEP2 might combine E-Ink for operational display with projector for watching videos etc
<DocScrutinizer05> alas this will take another few years to complete, so don't hold your breath for STEP2

2015-06-22

<DocScrutinizer05> right now my ideas are more along kickstarter campaign for STEP2 (the Neo900 successor device)

2015-06-07

<DocScrutinizer05> likely STEP2
<Oksana> Will it be Step2, or something else, by then, in your slot?

2015-06-05

<Oksana> JamesJRH: (Who was it who was telling me about step 2?) /back from lunch/ Really, I do not know much more than http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/search?q=step2 (Step2 will most likely come with a fingerprint-reader/optical-mouse-sensor combo, like iPhone) ( STEP2 will probably have OMAP5) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602&highlight=step2#post1444602
<Oksana> http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/search?q=step2 (Step2 will most likely come with a fingerprint-reader/optical-mouse-sensor combo, like iPhone) ( STEP2 will probably have OMAP5) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602&highlight=step2#post1444602

2015-05-25

<DocScrutinizer05> changing e.g. CPU would mean we not only need to recompile the system but also *all* apps, which is clearly not the idea behind the first Neo900 device. This is a challenge we might accept with STEP2 when community managed to get FOSS-fremantle running on a 100% compatible device

2015-05-16

<DocScrutinizer05> for genuine SATA interface you have to wait for STEP2 ;-)

2015-04-22

<bencoh> (STEP2 does sound better, though ;)
<DocScrutinizer51> the follow up is called STEP2 and will be based on OMAP5

2015-04-17

<DocScrutinizer05> step2 is a project discussed in public related to what might follow after Neo900
<farknfart> ok... sorry what is step2
<DocScrutinizer05> that's future project internally called STEP2 so far

2015-03-25

<DocScrutinizer05> even while asker is gone: yes, the plans are to have STEP2, with OMAP5 probably

2015-02-22

<DocScrutinizer05> STEP2 (next gen Neo900) will probably have OMAP5

2015-01-13

<DocScrutinizer05> search for Step2

2014-11-17

<Oksana> Okay... Still, Step2 is going to be neat, in its own way.
<DocScrutinizer05> nah, Step2 will most likely come with a fingerprint-reader/optical-mouse-sensor combo, like iPhone
<Oksana> Good morning. Do you have any plans about Step2? Just a funny idea, that the phone could be designed to camouflage as a computer mouse. And the mobile OS might support its usage as a 'real' computer mouse (screen and light sensor down on the table, bezel preventing scratches on the screen, back-cover as the upper-mouse-surface to hold onto, light-and-other-sensors detecting movement of...

2014-10-30

<Oksana> What do you think of stereo photography and 3D screen? Would it be nice for Step2, or better to leave this to Fujifilm ?

2014-10-27

<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, obviously STEP2 board will be called ArgoN, or even CryptoN