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<nmz787> anyone here ever come across code to process video data of a white light interferometer?
<nmz787> I was reading a thesis last night that said it had MATLAB code, and gave a decent overview of how they constructed it using microscope parts, but they didn't have a URL link for the files
<pie_> nmz787: email the authors? :/
<nmz787> yeah I could try that
<nmz787> there aren't any white light interferometers on ebay even, nor 'interferometer microscopes'
<pie_> whatcha up to?
<nmz787> working on laser-write lithography... would like to be able to convert microfluidic 3D models to g-code, and integrate the laser etcher with a spin-coater to add subsequent layers... but would need a thickness monitor for the layer addition step
<nmz787> I think
<nmz787> unless I calibrate and time things
<nmz787> i might also be able to use something with a laser and reflection to detect layer thickness
<nmz787> (a non-exposing laser color)
<pie_> g-code?
<nmz787> and I also realize that different laser systems will have different working distances (the ebay mini laser etcher i have now is about 2" working distance, while a blu-ray laser from a blu-ray writer is a few millimeters)
<nmz787> for driving stepper motors of the XY gantry
<pie_> so do you have the actual interferometer hardware yet?
<pie_> just wondering
<Sync> nmz787: spin coating is extremely reliable
<nmz787> I have all the stuff to make a simple one
<pie_> idk anything about white-light interferometry but i have a clue about monochrome interferometry
<nmz787> i just have some beamsplitters and first-surface mirrors and some lenses (for magnifying or projecting the output onto a wall)
<pie_> thats only for relative displacement though, given that white light is made of multiple frequencies im guessing that gives a better idea as to the displacement o#f a surface?
<nmz787> white light has some more complex processing, but it has advantages too.. apparently the short coherence versus lasers makes it such that surfaces in-focus show colored fringe lines... making auto-focusing for something like the layers of photoresist supposedly easiers
<nmz787> yeah something like that
<Sync> usually if you want to measure resist thicknesses you use confocal microscopy
<nmz787> I feel like it is something like a beat frequency of the colors in the light input
<nmz787> Sync: it seems the difference is that white-light interferometry does better on steep slopes, but has a bit less lateral resolution
<Sync> it is not really important
<Sync> we just use confocal microscopy and it works fine
<nmz787> yeah I would probably not be testing in areas of etching
<nmz787> the next question is the interferometer easier to build than confocal
<nmz787> there is one design that uses a beamsplitter and two normal objectives
<nmz787> (which they say could be seen as a waste of a good objective)
<nmz787> so I guess it would depend on if confocal lenses are cheaper than 2 normal
<nmz787> or if they use 'normal' with some other addition components (I seem to see something about a pinhole)
<nmz787> so the further apart the surfaces are, the less signal gets to the detector?
<nmz787> so seems like you should be able to detect subsequent layers too?
<Sync> uh
<Sync> well
<Sync> I dunno why you would use multiple layers
<pie_> optics is expensive as fuck :X
<pie_> i find interferometry pretty cool for some reason, i want to do some more reading about it when i have the time
<nmz787> Sync: I was thinking I might be able to use SU-8 directly for the device, then I could spin-coat, pattern, skip development and repeat layering/patterning... after a few layers, develop all at once
<nmz787> not sure it would work
<nmz787> if not, then I'd take the single layers and make them serially and stack them
<nmz787> quickly searching now, I found this paper claiming to be able to do up to 6-layers in a single development http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0960-1317/16/2/012/meta
<Sync> ah, I don't really think su8 would be the best choice
<nmz787> well for chemical and bio compatibility there are definitely considerations like that I need to think about
<nmz787> or are you talking about the laser not exposing it well?
<nmz787> what would you recommend?
<Sync> well I guess it depends on what you do
<Sync> but I'd just use silicon
<nmz787> how would you do multilayer fluidics like that?
<nmz787> coat, pattern, develop, etch Si... then?
<nmz787> then/or
<nmz787> deposit Si02?
<Sync> yeah I suppoe coat in oxide, cmp, si deposit and then selectively etch out everything
<nmz787> cmp means?
<nmz787> is there a way to grow quartz/some visible-light-clear silicon layer?
<nmz787> i'm searching here for quartz cvd or rie... but getting stuff grown /on/ quartz... vs actually depositing a layer
<Sync> you can CVD it
<Sync> but usually it is magnetron sputtering
<nmz787> ah, right, in sputtering systems, the source of the material being deposited is called the "target"
<nmz787> glad someone told me that once
<nmz787> seems to say SiO2 'target' and argon to deposit ordered SiO2
<nmz787> sounds like it would be optically clear, right?
<nmz787> I hadn't considered this as the way to move forward... it does seem elegant
<nmz787> but a lot less 'rapid' to develop
<Sync> I'm not sure if it is clear
<Sync> probably
<Sync> I mean, why not
<Sync> although it probably is opaque to some degree
<pie_> ask ##chemistry?
<pie_> or look for a picture or something?