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[solvespace] jwesthues commented on issue #718: Create a POINT_N_COPY from a Vector? - https://git.io/JUiYh
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[solvespace] phkahler closed issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUie3
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[solvespace] phkahler commented on issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUis6
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[solvespace] phkahler edited a comment on issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUis6
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[solvespace] hasanqo commented on issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUiGv
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<swivel>
hrm, im having a strange problem with an extrusion/boolean union
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[solvespace] phkahler commented on issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUP4u
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[solvespace] hasanqo commented on issue #722: how to run the opensource files and run the program in visual studio 2019 - https://git.io/JUP4b
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[solvespace] phkahler opened issue #724: Link OBJ and STL files - https://git.io/JUP7U
<swivel>
whitequark: :( thanks for your help over the years.
<swivel>
whitequark: for my own information, do I fall into the unconstructive and entitled category? if so I'd like to adjust my behavior since it's absolutely teh last thing I'd want to represent
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[solvespace] vcaputo commented on issue #714: Stepping down as a maintainer - https://git.io/JUXGk
<whitequark>
swivel: nope, you were fine
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<whitequark>
it's really just two people and both of them know it already
<whitequark>
funny how little you really need to burn out working on OSS...
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<whitequark>
a huge part of it was that they knew and didn't stop, and i was trying to be nice and didn't just ban them outright. that was a mistake, one i won't make again
<swivel>
yeah, i think so much of the activity is solitary with the code that when we have poor human interactions they can easily dominate the emotional human side
<mePy2[m]>
What happened?
<swivel>
we've got this guy on the systemd-devel mailing list who has been a persistent jerk for years, and it's gotten to whenever I see his name in my inbox I dread even opening the thread
<swivel>
but as a %age of systemd users he's nearly 0%, yet he forms a significant %age of the ml traffic because it's relatively quiet most the time
<mePy2[m]>
What is systemd?
<mePy2[m]>
I am curious but I am sure it is something simple I do not know
<whitequark>
don't
<whitequark>
just... don't
<whitequark>
pick literally any other topic to discuss instead
<swivel>
lol
<mePy2[m]>
Oh... yeah. I heard it before
<mePy2[m]>
\o/
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<swivel>
surprisingly the behavior I'm referring to on systemd-devel is from an enthusiast, we haven't actually had much in the way of trolling like in the early days. This guy is just a total asshole and can't seem to communicate with anyone without attacking them in the process
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<mePy2[m]>
Wow...
<whitequark>
there was a guy like that posting recently on llvm-dev
<whitequark>
i think he got banned pretty quickly. i asked the list moderator to do so, never got a reply but he stopped posting
<whitequark>
seems like systemd-devel could use that as well
<swivel>
they've been put on moderation multiple times over the years, but i think lennart just gets tired of moderating, i would have banned them long ago
<swivel>
i don't think he appreciates how much anxiety it can create for list subscribers to have the threat of such crap arriving in your inbox
<mePy2[m]>
Anyway, it should not change much from my understanding. You will continue to participate as a member of the community ;)
<mePy2[m]>
TBH, IDK why but it is funny to have you to this other side xD
<mePy2[m]>
(whitequark)
<whitequark>
really i will almost certainly not use solvespace again
<whitequark>
which is kind of a pity, it was something like 20 months of my full time work plus many thousands of dollars of my own money
<whitequark>
but oh well
<mePy2[m]>
Wait why?
<mePy2[m]>
This is huge!
<mePy2[m]>
I cannot understand
<mePy2[m]>
I like Ss very much
<whitequark>
burnout
<mePy2[m]>
Understand
<mePy2[m]>
You do not want to see it, use it, *** it
<whitequark>
that and i find development by volunteers who just "scratch their own itch" incredibly depressing
<whitequark>
i spent years working on the foundations of the application so that it could evolve for many more. i failed, mostly, too gargantuan of a task
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<mePy2[m]>
:’(
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<mePy2[m]>
Anyway, honestly I do not understand how open source project can go ahead
<mePy2[m]>
* Anyway, honestly I do not understand how open source projects can go ahead
<mePy2[m]>
I mean too many people. Only some know all the code
<whitequark>
partly because some corporation benefits from unpaid labor, partly because it gives people status, partly because it's still better than being stuck inside with nothing but suicidal ideation in your head
<whitequark>
oh, in *that* sense
<mePy2[m]>
Open source is for seniors 😅😅
<mePy2[m]>
In all the sense...
<mePy2[m]>
Seriously I think young people doing opensource which is not for fun, is not ok
<mePy2[m]>
I am perhaps one of them
<mePy2[m]>
Anyway
<mePy2[m]>
I have a little plan. Which maybe other people did not have in the past
<mePy2[m]>
Open source + donation platforms = nice
<whitequark>
not really
<mePy2[m]>
But tbh, you need a “serious” job anyway. Since it’s too risky
<whitequark>
the amount of donations you get is so small it makes no difference. frankly, for many years, it dissuaded me
<whitequark>
because, well, i was paying another developer a proper salary out of my own pocket to get back donations amounting to what, ten bucks a month? who cares
<mePy2[m]>
IDK...
<mePy2[m]>
I should have gone to university and took a proper job :/
<mePy2[m]>
😅
<whitequark>
i dropped out
<whitequark>
would probably be paid much less if i didn't
<mePy2[m]>
Yeah but seems you are getting stressed
<mePy2[m]>
But maybe it is not linked to it
<whitequark>
no, that's mostly a long chain of consequences from having an abusive parent
<mePy2[m]>
You are by yourself now?
<mePy2[m]>
* Are you by yourself now?
<whitequark>
i don't understand the question
<mePy2[m]>
You dropped college because of it?
<mePy2[m]>
I mean you live in your house?
<whitequark>
more or less
<mePy2[m]>
lol...
<mePy2[m]>
Did you understand?
<whitequark>
you can't really study with severe undiagnosed PTSD
<whitequark>
you can sorta work for a few years, which definitely helps
<whitequark>
though i've also been lucky in that aspect
<mePy2[m]>
Why you can’t... if I can ask you
<mePy2[m]>
* Why can’t you?... if I can ask you
<whitequark>
look up the symptoms of PTSD, then imagine going to uni with those
<mePy2[m]>
Anyway, still Ss chat here :/...
<mePy2[m]>
It’s not ok studying with it yeah
<swivel>
i had a shitty relationship with my parents, and still would if i had contact with them, it arguably derailed much of my academic life from mid jr. high school onwards because i was atheist from an early age and they're hardcore religious lunatics
<swivel>
on some level i think i can relate, it sucks.
<whitequark>
yup
<whitequark>
i have so many friends with parents who emotionally and/or physically abused them
<whitequark>
at this point i believe that the answer is some combination of "no contact ever again" and "physical violence"
<whitequark>
and the earlier the better
<swivel>
get out as soon as possible and don't waste any time or energy looking back
<mePy2[m]>
:D
<mePy2[m]>
But what if university is a good thing
<mePy2[m]>
But to do it you need to stay at home
<swivel>
im not referring to university, im referring to the sphere of abusive and hostile influence from toxic parents
<mePy2[m]>
I thought get out from home
<mePy2[m]>
Anyway get out is a good thing
<mePy2[m]>
Just come back home for sleep 😅
<mePy2[m]>
IDK... I think I am not in that situation
<swivel>
right, i see what you meant now, that's a subjective judgement call - if they're tolerable and you can succeed at uni with their influence, more power to you. Not all parents are this bad.
<mePy2[m]>
Although I can understand something
<mePy2[m]>
Yes
<mePy2[m]>
It’s not easy
<mePy2[m]>
But I think it could come in hand continue the studies
<mePy2[m]>
* But I think it could come in hand continuing the studies
<swivel>
there's a remarkably high proportion of shitty people out there, and the majority of people eventually make babies, so shitty outcomes aren't exactly unexpected
<mePy2[m]>
😅😅
<mePy2[m]>
Yeah... I think anyway “we” have to “adeguate” to the situation
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<swivel>
my approach has been to simply alienate my parents and tell anyone who asks that they never hear from me for $rational reasons as a cautionary tale to hopefully encourage others to not repeat the same mistakes with their kids, that's about all I can hope for
<mePy2[m]>
Mhm so you mean you cannot and did not have a healthy conversation with your parents?
<mePy2[m]>
I mean, they seem to not hear you
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[solvespace] mmiscool commented on issue #724: Link OBJ and STL files - https://git.io/JUXEG