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<paulproteus> Yayyyy I'm beginning to be able to use the GlobalSign SOAP API!
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<paulproteus> The SOAP options in JS-land don't seem as good as the ones in Python-land.
<zarvox> "time to port sandcats to Python"
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<XgF> paulproteus: The fact that you're using SOAP scares me
<XgF> paulproteus: When did Sandcats become all enterprisey?
<paulproteus> XgF: Well, I don't want to go into huge depth for fear of implying promises, but I'm integrating with a GlobalSign service.
<paulproteus> That's probably unnecessarily obtuse. You probably have caught wind in e.g. Hacker News comments by kentonv that we periodically say we're trying to see if we can work with CAs to get auto-configured HTTPS for self-hosting Sandstorm users.
<paulproteus> This is related to that.
<paulproteus> But don't construe this to be a promise that it'll actually work out, when it'll work out.
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* paulproteus waves.
* zarvox waves back
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<tarabkoferko> hey, I just installed sandstorm on a personal VPS but the admin link does not work
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<paulproteus> Hi tarabkoferko !
<paulproteus> What kind of doesn't work?
<paulproteus> Does it hang forever and show nothing but an error page in your browser?
<paulproteus> If so, it may be a firewall problem. I can possibly help with that.
<paulproteus> https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/guided-tour/ has some hints for Amazon EC2 on setting up the firewall correctly if it's Amazon.
<tarabkoferko> hah, firewall, will check that, thanks
<paulproteus> If you can give me the domain name, I can see if there's something I can figure out.
<paulproteus> Also "obviously" I should make an online interactive troubleshooting guide, hmm!
<kentonv> probably the installer script should include a reminder that you'll need to open the port
<paulproteus> My hope was that we could do that automatically so that if things are already working we don't bother you.
<kentonv> yes, I was about to say -- the sandcats server could attempt to call back
<dwrensha> nightwatch gotcha: waitForElementVisible("li[name=value]") works, but waitForElementVisible("li[name='value']") does not.
<kentonv> wat
<kentonv> surely it uses document.querySelector()?
<dwrensha> i dunno
<paulproteus> kentonv: I wonder what your opinion is of having things be a little less polished and vertically integrated but still working. e.g. I could rely on portchecktool.com instead of adding code to the Sandcats service.
<paulproteus> Or the equivalent http://www.canyouseeme.org/ : P
<kentonv> paulproteus: well, that means alerting a third party that sandstorm installation is occurring...
<paulproteus> Oh, yeah, that's sad.
<kentonv> also it's probably a good idea not just to check that the port is open, but that it actually reaches the right server
<kentonv> GET /.well-known/sandstorm.io/sandcats-check
<kentonv> could return the sandcats hostname?
<paulproteus> On a Sandstorm install?
<kentonv> no, don't return the host name. Expect the Host: header to specify the hostname, and only return true if it was correct
<paulproteus> Hah!
<tarabkoferko> paulproteus: thanks, it was indeed firewall
<paulproteus> tarabkoferko: You rule. Thanks for dropping by.
<paulproteus> kentonv: In which case, /.well-known/sandstorm.io/server-host-match-check
<paulproteus> and then it's permissible even for non-sandcats installs?
<paulproteus> server-base-url-check or whatever
<kentonv> for non-sandcats installs I'm not sure this check makes sense
<paulproteus> I mean, non-Sandcats people want a reachability check too.
<kentonv> some people will be installing locally or behind a firewall intentionally
<paulproteus> For e.g. monitoring, for one thing.
<paulproteus> brb walking from caltrain to "office"
<kentonv> I think people who have their own DNS can probably figure out ports
<tarabkoferko> just wanted to say that sandstorm looks pretty cool
<tarabkoferko> what's the best way of giving back?
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<dwrensha> tarabkoferko: https://sandstorm.io/preorder.html is one good way
<tarabkoferko> dwrensha: thanks
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<Walkproteus> There are a lot of good ways to help out the sandstorm project, some of them in no particular order are
<Walkproteus> You can help other people start using sand storm. You can do this from your own server, by inviting the people, or by having them think about pre ordering our managed hosting.
<Walkproteus> You can package app for sandstorm which makes them available to all tense from users. Its really amazing how high leverage this is. Something that's useful to you might be useful to somebody else, and so if you share the package, anybody else can get those benefits.
<Walkproteus> ...all users, even the ones that aren't tense....
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<Walkproteus2> Anyway. Can say more with fewer typos in a few min.
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<paulproteus> ... bye tarabkoferko oops I didn't relaize you had left!
<paulproteus> But anyway feel free to point people to the Get-Involved page.
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<dwrensha> kentonv: looks like I was wrong to blame nightwatch... I was really just hitting rebuild-dependency problems
<dwrensha> if I do "make test" after editing my new sandstorm-tabs package, the test doesn't see the change
<dwrensha> I need to rm-rf shell-build first
<dwrensha> I suppose that everything in shell/pacakges/ ought to be considered a dependency to the "shell-build" rule: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/blob/e9629578ff69d96237ef63daac8c1846e810edac/Makefile#L201
<zarvox> huh. I guess theoretically that make rule should include all those folders recursively too :/
<paulproteus> These are Lydia Pintscher's slides from her keynote at aKademy.
<paulproteus> (Akademy? I forget.)
<paulproteus> Make sure to click next until slide 14.
<paulproteus> I didn't know this was coming, I just decided to look at her slides one day.
<zarvox> :)
<paulproteus> var item = '<cns' + index + ':' + headerItem.name + '>';
<paulproteus> item += headerItem.value;
<paulproteus> item += '</cns' + index + ':' + headerItem.name + '>';
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<paulproteus> jparyani: Do you have any idea what is going on at Hey https://github.com/sandstorm-io/vagrant-spk/issues/48 ?
<paulproteus> I can try to reproduce it, but it seems like... oh maybe I know what's going on.
<paulproteus> One sec.
<paulproteus> I'm going to work on these issues https://github.com/sandstorm-io/vagrant-spk/issues/assigned/paulproteus and then see what I would work on next.
<paulproteus> Feel free to tag me on things.
<paulproteus> zarvox: ^ also fwiw.
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<paulproteus> That is to say, feel free to add a "@paulproteus consider looking at this today too" to any github issue you see for vagrant-spk.
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<paulproteus> Enjoy this IRC bot, pulled from searching Yelp for "How hard is..."
<jadewang> is it a bot from yelp reviews?
<paulproteus> Ya
<jadewang> it's the most hilarious passive-aggressive yelping
<paulproteus> I KNOW
<paulproteus> : D
<neynah> I don't even understand this one "how hard is it to stand in one place and do your job until everyone is inside the building?"
<paulproteus> An example of an email people send before doing a mass bug filing in Debian.
<neynah> ! tyvm
<paulproteus> In our case, all packages are affected, so it's not like we can show a list like this and have it be useful.
<paulproteus> But the text here might be useful to understand the idea.
<paulproteus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mass_bug_filing is a more verbose document about Fedora (another Linux distro, approximately the same thing as Debian from your perspective) about the same concept.
<paulproteus> They have a much better description at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mass_bug_filing honestly than the one in the Debian documentation.
<neynah> Awesome, thanks. :B
<paulproteus> I guess if you want to get really fancy, you could submit a pull request containing the required changes to their sandstorm-pkgdef.capnp.
<paulproteus> But it's probably fine to give people clear instructions on what to change in their sandstorm-pkgdef.capnp and give them the files to add.
<paulproteus> w/r/t "who clicks merge?"
<neynah> :D
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