<TimNich>
mpapis: Quite, except that you didn't need to do the equivalent for Builder.. so it caught me out.
<TimNich>
Now if only I can get wxruby to play nciely with an up to date version of swig!
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<roidrage>
heya!
<roidrage>
we're still getting quite a few reports a la "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server hello A: wrong version number" when installing stuff from rubygems. is there anything we can do to ensure those don't come up anymore?
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<imperator>
what platform?
<roidrage>
imperator: that's on a ubuntu 12.04 linux box
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<dwradcliffe>
roidrage: which host is the error from? rubygems.org or S3?
<dwradcliffe>
is that reproducible? can you run again with --verbose
<roidrage>
this is for a customer
<roidrage>
they said it happens on every fifth build, which may not mean a lot, so it's not really reproducable
<roidrage>
this is with ruby 2.0.0p247
<roidrage>
i'm a bit confused, i thought there were some ssl issues a few weeks back and they were resolved?
<dwradcliffe>
well we thought so
<dwradcliffe>
I'm confused too
<roidrage>
:(
<roidrage>
about time for us to set up our local cache :)
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<roidrage>
samkottler: chat some time next week or the week after?
<samkottler>
roidrage: definitely - been insanely busy recently
<samkottler>
roidrage: next week is thanksgiving in the US so it might be better to do something the week after
<samkottler>
I'll mail the list about that
<roidrage>
no worries, the week after it is
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<fromonesrc>
I was seeing ssl errors like what roidrage is seeing this week on codeship.io and teamcity too
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<drbrain>
xavier_: Gem::Package.open was replaced by Gem::Package.new(file).spec
<xavier_>
drbrain: thanks! Will try this morning.
<xavier_>
drbrain: I think we were passing in a StringIO object to open, but I should be able to work something.
<drbrain>
xavier_: previously package and unpackage were in different places, now they're all together
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<drbrain>
xavier_: feel free to change Gem::Package to support that
<xavier_>
cool, will investigte
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<mpapis>
drbrain, have you seen my comment on 590?
<drbrain>
yes
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<mpapis>
drbrain, this PR was there to fix the problems introduced by executable-hooks, not to move them to rubygems
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<mpapis>
the biggest part of the gem problem was it was forcing shebang, with the PR code no shebang change is needed and RG handles it now in the binary
<mpapis>
which also solves the problem for windows
<mpapis>
so the problems you had with executable-hooks - will be gone after merging this PR (and making executable-hooks to not do it's shebang thing on RG 2.2+)
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<drbrain>
mpapis: I'm concerned about user expectations for installing and uninstalling gems that provide hooks
<drbrain>
also, for the narrow purposes of executable-hooks, as I understand it, we aim to make it a non-issue entirely
<mpapis>
drbrain, but as long as bundler is in use - executable-hooks is needed for rubygems-bundler
<mpapis>
and it is useful piece of software, even posmodern advocates it's use with chruby
<drbrain>
I'm not very comfortable adding a feature when there's a plan for removing it
<mpapis>
but you do not remove bundler yet - it will be still in use right?
<drbrain>
yes, but while adding the feature is easy, removing it is hard
<mpapis>
so is there anything that can convince you?
<drbrain>
for RubyGems 2.2? I don't think so
<drbrain>
there's not enough time
<mpapis>
you told me last time it is possible to get it
<drbrain>
possible doesn't mean guaranteed :(
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<mpapis>
drbrain, executable-hooks had 9k downloads on Tuesday, this is really used gem, I want to remove it as much as you want, but it can be only removed by merging to RG or deprecating bundler - and for now none is going to happen
<mpapis>
drbrain, you told me it's marked as 2.2 so you can merge it even late
<mpapis>
was your initial intention to reject it?
<drbrain>
mpapis: I had no opinion
<mpapis>
so ok step back, the initial reason of rejection is actually a reason to merge it, you just found another reason, I feel bad about this situation
<drbrain>
mpapis: at this point I'm concerned about having a larger problem in the future than the current problem which has a sort-of, if messy, solution
<mpapis>
drbrain, what problem in future?
<drbrain>
mpapis: people using the hook in rubygems and me having to deprecate it
<drbrain>
there isn't a general reason to include it, just to turn this messy solution into a less-messy solution
<mpapis>
why would you deprecate it if it's used?
<drbrain>
because I would only add it to fix this problem
<mpapis>
drbrain, from the beginning I'm stalled and any ideas to fix the problem are rejected, and it happens every time, yet the rubygems-bundler is used and solves the problem
<drbrain>
so I think rubygems-bundler should remain as the solution
<mpapis>
it is the solution I want to get rid of the messy executable-hooks gem
<drbrain>
me too, but if that will be fixed by bundler-rubygems integration in the future I think messiness is OK
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<mpapis>
and this was my proposal on the beginning, rejected back then and now when I show it is working it is rejected again
<drbrain>
at least, until then
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<mpapis>
I guess nothing I say will convince you ... can I get your email so I can direct the mad people at executable-hooks to you?
<drbrain>
haha
<drbrain>
maybe :D
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<mpapis>
also can you write the new reasons of rejection to the ticket?
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<drbrain>
sure
<drbrain>
bus time
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<mpapis>
drbrain, nice one "when it has only one user" :) one gem would fit a bit more
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<imperator>
9k downloads per day for executable-hooks?
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<drbrain>
it looks like those aren't working properly after you update
<drbrain>
without RubyGems an mkmf.rb-generated Makefile will have the `make install` target put the extensions in sitelibdir/sitearchdir
<drbrain>
rubygems hijacks that so `make install` puts the extensions in a rubygems-controlled directory
<swills>
ah, ok
<drbrain>
swills: what rubygems do you ship with p247?
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<drbrain>
maybe a newer one will resolve the problem? there were a bunch of changes in rubygems in this area
<swills>
well, like i said, i'm trying to get rubygems updated, but right now we're still using 1.8.25, and i know you've told me that that version basically doesn't work with 2.0...
<drbrain>
swills: try upgrading to 1.8.28 first
<drbrain>
I'm pretty sure it has compatibility fixes for exactly this:
<drbrain>
…
<swills>
yeah, i know there was that CVE with anything below 1.8.27
<drbrain>
yeah
<swills>
first i'm trying to duplicate the problem mentioned in that PR
<swills>
if i can do that, i'll see if 1.8.28 fixes it
<swills>
if so, then i'll commit that, then commit the update of ruby 2.0, then try to fix all the stuff that moving from 1.9 as default to 2.0 as default breaks...