drbrain changed the topic of #rubygems to: RubyGems 2.0.2: http://bit.ly/rubygems-2-0-2 – Latest status: http://twitter.com/rubygems_status and http://status.rubygems.org
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<dwradcliffe> qrush ping
<dwradcliffe> evan: ping
<dwradcliffe> looks like DNS is down
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<maloik> We have internet problems at the office so surfing over 3G, which may be causing the problem, but is something currently wrong with rubygems ?
<maloik> Status page doesn't seem to load, and we can't seem to fetch gems on the server
<dwradcliffe> maloik: yes, our DNS provider is having issues
<maloik> any workarounds available right now ?
<jrgifford> well, if we knew the IP address of rubygems.org, we could put that in /etc/hosts... but that is hackish.
<dwradcliffe> jrgifford: yeah, that would work but that's risky for the future. I'd hate to tell people to do that
<dwradcliffe> Looks like it's being caused be a DDoS. https://twitter.com/dnsimple/status/341538008941613056
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<Rotonen> rubygems.org DNS SERVFAIL from helsinki
<samkottler> dwradcliffe: dnssimple is getting DDoS'ed
<Rotonen> thank you for info
<Rotonen> a migration to something like amazon route53 or what akamai offers might be worth considering, though, if you get sidelined or are targeted
<dwradcliffe> Rotonen: not a bad idea
<samkottler> if people want to help spread the info
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<samkottler> I'll talk to my friend who works at dynect today to see if they will help us out
<samkottler> dyn is incredible
<Rotonen> a project like this should fit into community sponsorship in most nice companies for robust dns hosting
<samkottler> yep
<Rotonen> i vouch for the biggest fish on the planet for 2 reasons: 1) redundant geoaware infrastructure for faster resolve and response times for the benefit of the end user experience 2) they are the biggest targest on the planet so by some logic they should be able to both handle and have sufficient experience in handing with being targeted
<samkottler> dyn uses around 2% of their network capacity normally so they can sustain ridiculous DDoS attacks
<samkottler> they've also never gone down
<Rotonen> any upgrade, is in fact, an upgrade
<Rotonen> simpledns seems to be on the lowest tiers of quality of service and resiliency
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<staticvoid> hey - is rubygems down?
<samkottler> staticvoid: our DNS provider is getting DDoS'ed
<dwradcliffe> I'm getting UP alerts, so you might try again
<samkottler> well it depends on where in the world you are
<samkottler> it's been up for me the whole time
<Rotonen> confirming functionality in helsinki
<samkottler> also stuff like dns caches change things for different people
<staticvoid> excellent - seems to be resolving now
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<samkottler> dnsimple is claiming to be back online, but they don't seem to be...
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<dwradcliffe> And we're back down again (from here)
<jrochkind> yeah, came over here to check. even status.rubygems.org is down for me.
<samkottler> jrochkind: yeah because that relies on DNS :)
<samkottler> if/when we switch providers I'd like to delegate status. to a different DNS provider
<samkottler> dwradcliffe: dynect doesn't have a straightforward program for community projects
<samkottler> so maybe let's just go to route53?
<jrochkind> anyone (not busy trying to recover rubygems, if you are ignore me) have any suggestions for easiest way to deploy, when i've got all my gems on a staging server, but rubygems is down? bundler-enabled rails app. I can think of a few hacky ways, but am not sure what's actually easiest/cleanest/least-error-prone.
<dwradcliffe> samkottler: ok, that'd be fastest
<qrush> hi
<samkottler> jrochkind: bundle install --local
<samkottler> qrush: hola
<jrochkind> samkottler: thanks, i'll check it out. capistrano involved with the indirection makes everything more confusing.
<jrochkind> ah, I think I actually need bundle package, if the gems in the lockfile may not be present on the production server yet, maybe?
<dwradcliffe> qrush: good morning
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<jrochkind> and rubygems seems to be back atm.
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<samkottler> dwradcliffe qrush evan: dyn has offered us free DNS hosting - do we want to pursue that?
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<qrush> no, i think we should stick with DNSimple, they've been awesome to us
<qrush> this is really RubyCentral's call though, but my vote is for staying
<qrush> feels a little reactionary to jump ship after over a year of great service (geez maybe 2 now?)
<dwradcliffe> seems like we should at least have a backup on another provider
<samkottler> qrush: yeah I like their team, but most DNS providers don't *ever* go down
<samkottler> and they've gone down...
<dwradcliffe> I vote we switch over as soon as we can and then decide where to stay after the outage is over
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<raggi> qrush: it's dns, you can use dnssimple as your zone master, but point everyone else at dyn or someone like that who can take the load
<qrush> ah hm
<raggi> dyn are fantastic hosts, but their lack fo API for basic accounts is, well, awful
<qrush> http://uptime.rubygems.org/131647 is happier lately
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<dknight> I am on a 64-bit linux machine, yet when I do bundle install it is fetching http://bb-m.rubygems.org/quick/Marshal.4.8/mysql2-0.2.6-x86-mswin32-60.gemspec.rz I do not understand why it is fetching 32-bit MS Windows gemspec ?
<havenwood> dknight: Gist of your Gemfile?
<havenwood> dknight: I dunno what is happening. Same prob I assume if you remove?: source 'http://gems.github.com'
<dknight> havenwood: are you able to reproduce it?
<havenwood> dknight: Nope, just installs plain ole (correct) gem for me.Might try asking in #ruby or #ruby-lang.
<havenwood> dknight: Do you get the same issue with just?: source 'https://rubygems.org'; gem 'mysql2','0.2.6'
<raggi> dknight: gemspecs are not gems, i'm not sure why you're concerned?
<raggi> dknight: why do you have so many pinned gems?
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<raggi> (that's what the lockfile is for)
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<dknight> raggi: I am not concerned but curious
<dknight> raggi: I want to know if the gemspec does not need to respect the processor architecture and OS.
<dknight> raggi: initially I suspected that I might have put some setting wrong somewhere but I checked gem environment and it is correct
<raggi> dknight: if it still works the way i remember, bundler should fetch all of them, and then resolve down to working versions for your platform &/ platform specs
<raggi> (platform specs meaning :platforms => :... in the gemfile)
<dknight> raggi: ah, okay
<raggi> it's about resolver stuff, not about installation
<dknight> raggi: can you point me to the resolver source or something. I would like to have a look.
<raggi> iirc, bundlers is a recursive backtracking solver, there are other ways that might be more clear, but it works for many cases
<raggi> (most)
<dknight> raggi: yeah, I figured. let me try fiddle with it just for fun
<raggi> dknight: evan wrote a more OO & procedural style one in rubygems, although i'm not really intimately familiar with it
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<raggi> dknight: there's also an equivalent but MUCH faster solution that the chef guys used, that linked libgecode
<raggi> libgecode is also more accurate than the others i'd expect, assuming the rules are correct
<dknight> raggi: thats nice.
<dknight> raggi: did they not put it in bundler because of native dependency?
<raggi> unfortunately the rules in the chef version are not fully compatible with rubygems specifications (no support for min_required_ruby_version, platforms, or beta versions)
<raggi> bundler came first
<raggi> (before the chef solution)
<raggi> at the time of writing, carl, yehuda and co. didn't realize that this was a constraint solving problem
<raggi> they just solved it "a way"
<dknight> okay
<raggi> in general though, neither rubygems or bundler will depend on C libraries outside fo stdlib
<raggi> someone could write an extension for both that could be optionally installed for very fast resolution though
<dknight> raggi: libgecode seems nice. I was not aware of it earlier. thanks
<dknight> btw, when I am trying 'gem install' for a gem can I specify another gem version to use?
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<dknight> gem install ruby-debug-ide -v 0.4.17.beta16 --pre fails when I manually try it but when I ask Rubymine to install it, it works fine. http://paste.lisp.org/display/137447 is the error log. please suggest.
<raggi> dknight: you're using different gem commands, and it looks like you're missing dependencies for this app, or your gem paths are broken
<raggi> dknight: try `gem install rake` before doing that, it may fix the problem
<raggi> dknight: i'm guessing that's a debian system and you tried to use the system package manager ot install rubygems?
<dknight> raggi: no it is an Arch installation. I always install gems from root using gem install command.
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<dknight> raggi: I have installed rake 0.8.7 on my system as is mentioned in my Gemfile. however, it somehow is also installing rake 0.9.6 on its own
<dknight> raggi: gem list shows both rake version but I can not remove rake 0.9.6
<raggi> dknight: `gem install rake -v 0.9.6`, i think it's broken
<dknight> raggi: if I install rake 0.9.6 and try installing the gem, it works fine but Rubymine no longer detects it, probably because the gem is built against rake 0.9.6 while Rubymine uses rake 0.8.7 as is mentioned in the Gemfile.
<raggi> :-/
<dknight> raggi: how can I fix that?
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<raggi> dknight: i'm not familiar with how rubymine's integration stuff works
<raggi> dknight: you could try using isolated bundles
<dknight> raggi: thats fine.
<raggi> i.e. bundle install --vendor
<dknight> raggi: I think if I can fix my rake, things should be clear
<raggi> yeah
<dknight> raggi: but how do I do that?
<raggi> if you uninstall 0.9.6 then that would help too
<raggi> oh, 0.9.6 is probably bundled with your ruby version
<raggi> yeaaah
<dknight> raggi: well even though in gem list rake 0.9.6 appears, when I uninstall rake 0.9.6 is not in the options
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<raggi> Gem.bin_path is probably broken for that
<dknight> raggi: yeah could be
<raggi> GRRR, fucking ruby "native gem" packaging
<raggi> so, i think there's an env var
<raggi> checking...
<dknight> raggi: great help, thanks
<raggi> yeah
<raggi> RAKE=`which rake` gem install <whatever>
<raggi> i gotta run to a meeting
<raggi> feel free to file a bug against MRI for this
<raggi> their "native gems" should include things such that Gem.bin_path still works
<dknight> raggi: thanks a lot man
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