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havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules: https://ruby-community.com | Ruby 3.0.0, 2.7.2, 2.6.6: https://www.ruby-lang.org | Paste 4+ lines of text to https://dpaste.org | Books: https://goo.gl/wpGhoQ | Logs: https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby | BLM <3
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<entel> >>nil
<ruby[bot]> entel: # => nil (https://carc.in/#/r/a61f)
<leftylink> "correct. nil! wat?"
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<entel> >>"MERRY CHRISTMAS".split('').join"*"
<ruby[bot]> entel: # => "M*E*R*R*Y* *C*H*R*I*S*T*M*A*S" (https://carc.in/#/r/a61g)
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<entel> >>RUBY_VERSION
<ruby[bot]> entel: # => "2.7.0" (https://carc.in/#/r/a61j)
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<zenix_2k2> havenwood: hello are you still up, i lost a bit of connection yesterday so
<zenix_2k2> how did you know that i was missing that package ?
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<zenix_2k2> based on the stderr ?
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Yeah, it was mentioned in the error output.
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<zenix_2k2> Oh ok, see that
<zenix_2k2> havenwood: ok so i got another error but it doesn't really detail the pakcage that is required https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Zenix-Owler/80e96cb8fad77fef489f24ac6bf483c1/raw/addbffa8133387f9a5656045d84e489bbcec6992/gistfile1.txt
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<entel> do you need cmake?
<havenwood> ^
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: apt install build-essential
<zenix_2k2> i already had build-essential installed
<zenix_2k2> but that error stil happens
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: apt install cmake
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<zenix_2k2> also are all of these necessary ? i mean i was just following what the hackerone site told me to, to do it in a rails console but how about the interactive shell irb ?
<zenix_2k2> can it also do that ?
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: You can use Ruby from IRB without any of this fuss.
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: There likely aren't many more deps to install to get a Rails console running, in any case.
<zenix_2k2> yea, i am thinking of that also, let's me try the irb console instead
<havenwood> ?pry zenix_2k2
<ruby[bot]> zenix_2k2: Pry, the better IRB, provides easy object inspection `ls`, `history`, viewing docs `?`, viewing source `$`, syntax highlighting and other features (see `help` for more). Put `binding.pry` in your source code for easy debugging. Install Pry (http://pry.github.io/): gem install pry pry-doc
<zenix_2k2> oh cool then
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Either irb or pry are great.
<havenwood> ?irb
<ruby[bot]> irb is "interactive ruby", it is part of ruby. You can run ruby code and see results immediately. it's useful for testing code. Also see ?pry, a gem which is a popular alternative to irb.
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<zenix_2k2> i do know about IRB tho, i did try it out, just not a rails console
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<zenix_2k2> havenwood: ok so i tried to do what u told me to, run those commands in a pry, which the first line is "request = ActionDispatch::Request.new(Rails.application.env_config)", but it kinda results in a NameError, i think it doesn't recognize the ActionDispatch variable
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Yeah, ActionDispatch is a Rails thing, as is the `Rails` from Rails.application.
<zenix_2k2> well then i think it is necessary to run those in a rails console then
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Yeah, that's the easiest way to run that command. Or you can require Rails from irb. I don't know if what you're running is specific to this app? If so, I'd just get the deps installed. If not, you can just create your own little Rails app with `rails new zenix`.
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: If you just require Rails from irb you'll run into an issue that Rails.application will be `nil`. So this is just meant to be run from an app.
<zenix_2k2> yes i am creating a project
<zenix_2k2> but the created project sure has lots of subfolders and file, which should i put my codes in ?
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: What are you doing?
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: If you're making a Rails app, most of your code goes in the app/ directory.
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: The Rails docs are solid.
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Also the config/ directory has some important threshold stuff, like routes.
<zenix_2k2> well as i said yesterday i am just doing some security that has a bit related to Ruby, i haven't studied it indept yet
<zenix_2k2> i do know programming in other languages tho so i can mostly get what Ruby errors are referring to
<zenix_2k2> but Rails is an entire framework so i think i can hardly learn it immediately
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Here's an app for example: https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Yeah, up to you what you want to work on. Maybe look at a simple Rack app. Rails is a Rack framework that adds a ton on top but just plain Rack is easier to grok.
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Roda is a minimalist Rack framework that just adds a routing tree on top of Rack along with plugins to further extend features. http://roda.jeremyevans.net/
<havenwood> zenix_2k2: Here are some Hello Worlds in different Rack frameworks https://github.com/luislavena/bench-micro/tree/master/apps
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<zenix_2k2> havenwood: i think rails is needed instead, also in the app/ folder there are still more subfolders so where should i put these codes in https://hackerone.com/reports/827052
<zenix_2k2> if you scroll down a bit you will see a comment by a user named "vakzz"
<zenix_2k2> that is what i meant instead
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<entel> zenix_2k2: are you editing an existing rails app?
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<zenix_2k2> entel: i don't think so, according to the PoC i think i has to run it locally without any preexisting project
<entel> i use the sinatra framework but rails might be better depending on what you're doing
<zenix_2k2> entel: according to the link above what do you think he is intending to do ?
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<zenix_2k2> not the first post, but its commnet section, notice a comment which has "RCE" in it
<entel> oh my bad yea its using rails looks like
<entel> i havnt used it in years so i cant help too much
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<nakilon> woah
<naftilos76> Hi everyone, i have been struggling with ruby threads during the last few days and i was wondering which type of local variables i should be using. I mean, i can do local_var = 3 or Thread.current[:local_var] = 3 or Thread.current.thread_variable_set(:local_var, 3) . Since locals are limited within the scope of each thread block i do not have to use mutexes to restrict access to other threads from altering their content.
<nakilon> naftilos76 my rule of thumb is that everything should be as local as possible
<nakilon> but it has to be accessed from different threads that means it should not be local
<nakilon> I guess mutexes are for wrapping some bigger things than just variable assignments
<naftilos76> nakilon: my question was regarding the type of the local var. Is it ok to use either type?
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<reaVer> MERRY CHRISTMAST EVERYONE!
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<entel> merry christmas reaVer
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<lxsameer> hey folks, is Ruby3 completely free from GIL ?
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<burgestrand> lxsameer no
<leah2> best feature of ruby 3: backtraces are in proper order. second best feature: pasting to irb is fast. :p
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<burgestrand> :D
<lxsameer> burgestrand: hmmm I though mr Sasada rewrote the vm to get rid of GIL in favor of fiber base concurrency
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<burgestrand> lxsameer I'm not sure what you're referring to — I'm aware of work on fiber schedulers, perhaps that's what you're thinking of?
<burgestrand> lxsameer or maybe you're thinking of ractor?
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<lxsameer> burgestrand: i'm trying to figure out whether ruby got rid of the GIL in v3 or not
<lxsameer> because having GIL and fiber based concurrency doesn't go together
<burgestrand> lxsameer in a sense yes, technically it's no longer global in the sense it was — by using multiple ractors you may run ruby code in parallel
<lxsameer> burgestrand: goood
<burgestrand> lxsameer when it comes to Fibers AFAIK they run on top of your current context, i.e. GIL and fiber-based concurrency does go together and they're not really affecting each other
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<burgestrand> lxsameer in short: in a single process of ruby you may have multiple ractors, and in each ractor you may have multiple threads, and in each thread you may have multiple fibers :D
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<lxsameer> burgestrand: sound about right, now, the GIL is in ractor level or process level ?
<burgestrand> lxsameer each ractor has its own GIL
<burgestrand> lxsameer so I guess it's just an IL now :D
<lxsameer> :))
<burgestrand> lxsameer I'm not speaking from authority here, I don't work on the interpreter
<burgestrand> lxsameer https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/master/doc/ractor.md this explains it quite well!
<burgestrand> It's much more complete now than when I read it the last time :D
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<nakilon> wow I didn't even know backtrace was reverted
<nakilon> I didn't like the python order
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<apotheon> Merry Xmas, Happy Festivus, Merry Newtonmas, et cetera. Your gift is a new Ruby.
<apotheon> My gift, too, as soon as I try it out.
<nakilon> $ docker run --rm -ti ruby:3.0-rc-alpine sh -c "ruby -e 'puts \"hello from #{RUBY_VERSION}\"'"
<nakilon> hello from 3.0.0
<apotheon> $ rbenv install 3.0.0
<apotheon> [waiting]
<nakilon> [waiting for open-ssl to compile?]
<apotheon> Hilariously, my first install of the most cutting-edge, up-to-date Ruby release is on a 32 bit ThinkPad X60.
<apotheon> "Installing ruby-3.0.0..."
<apotheon> That's what it says.
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<baweaver> havenwood: onoes, ruby-install won't get 3.x
<baweaver> It expects a tar.bz2 and won't recognize the tar.gz natively. Seems kinda shortsighted
<adam12> baweaver: I _thought_ 0.8.0 fixed that.
<baweaver> Might be out of date
<adam12> I wonder which tar supports leaving the compression off for extraction. bsdtar?
<baweaver> Need to update it, where is that thing...
<baweaver> brew, that's how I'd done it
<baweaver> bingo!
<baweaver> Thank ya kindly adam12
<adam12> baweaver: Nice!
<baweaver> configure: error: something wrong with LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/opt/openssl/lib:-L/usr/local/opt/llvm/lib"
<adam12> I keep one Ruby installed and everything else is through Docker.
<baweaver> ohnoes, down the rabbit hole I go
<baweaver> Probably some other stupid openssl break
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<baweaver> oof, yeah, openssl and xcode mentioned, bailing out for now.
<baweaver> .zshrc had old flag references, cleaned up and away we go
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<nakilon> does anyone test C++ apps in Ruby?
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<nakilon> not GUI, but calling C++ functions
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<ruurd> Uhm no but there should be ample examples for that right?
<ruurd> I mean the ruby runtime library is probably full of that
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<nakilon> I suppose Ruby's tests depend heavily on the fact that it's a Ruby interpreter
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<nakilon> do I understand right that previously he might want to use win32api to call DLL but now should better look at ffi that is an alternative?
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<apotheon> Are parts of Ruby written in C++ these days?
<apotheon> I thought it was all C (and Ruby).
<apotheon> goes to show what I know
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<dionysus69> question to those using RVM: as RVM doesnt support ruby 3 yet, how do I make my locally compiled binary "selected" by rvm ?
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<havenwood> dionysus69: rvm get head
<apotheon> dionysus69: Does `rvm use system` work?
<apotheon> dionysus69: . . . assuming you're talking about using your system ruby.
<apotheon> dionysus69: . . . but rvm get head is probably more like what you'd want, I guess.
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<dionysus69> havenwood, apotheon: I ended up doing sudo make install and then rvm use system and it worked
<dionysus69> but has some problems running rails xD
<havenwood> dionysus69: what kinda problems?
<dionysus69> this is the first problem cannot load such file -- webrick/httputils, other than rails i18n gem which I just commented out
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<dionysus69> havenwood: found it, it was dependency for aws-sdk-s3, and I just commented that out too
<dionysus69> No wonder some gems are having problems ^.^
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<havenwood> dionysus69: For WEBRick, add it to your Gemfile.
<havenwood> dionysus69: It's dropped from stdlib in 3.0.
<dionysus69> yea only that gem was using it, who knows for what, my rails app is pretty standard, using puma
<dionysus69> just removed it and going to troubleshoot when I need aws gem, by that time they will fix it :)
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<dionysus69> also, rvm get head did it, now 3.0 is available so, thanks, overall :)
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