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<havenwood> >> File.public_method(:read).owner # panze
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => #<Class:IO> (https://eval.in/977770)
<havenwood> panzi: ^
<havenwood> panzi: it's nice that in Ruby was can ask the method who its owner is!
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<dminuoso> havenwood: Its somewhat sad you have to do this at runtime.
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<zenspider> dminuoso: you don't. `ri File::read` works fine
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<dminuoso> zenspider: Works fine until some gem has monkey patched File.
<dminuoso> zenspider: But yeah, I guess I forgot about that.
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<jjaii9> hey is it bad practice for a Ruby console program more or less have one "large" class that holds everything and initialize the class at the bottom, or it typically better to have a separate runner class and/or a rake task to execute things?
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<jhass> "one large class that holds everything" is rarely a good idea ;)
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<jhass> how that class is initialized and called is quite irrelevant in general
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<weaksauce> probably? just depends
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<gizmore> why does ruby does not offer type hinting?
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<jhass> there are plans to do it for ruby 3 afaik
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<gizmore> jhass: yeah, i am just trolling atm, until it's there
<jhass> why?
<gizmore> i love php and type hinting
<gizmore> i went from php to ruby and back
<gizmore> and my weapon of choice is php now
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<gizmore> because of type hinting
<gizmore> if ruby got type hinting.... wow
<jhass> check crystal :P
<gizmore> meh
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<gizmore> let me check
<gizmore> jhass: btw: active record sucks too
<gizmore> i made my own DBA again, and its... different
<gizmore> i made a circle of php => ruby => jsf => php
<gizmore> and my php is all selfmade
<gizmore> and i made a great concept
<gizmore> but php sucks
<gizmore> ruby sucks too
<gizmore> my concept:
<gizmore> i have one base class of GDT
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<gizmore> all this classes know how to behave as DB, HTMLForm, HTMLTable, HTML
<gizmore> every class works everywhere
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<gizmore> like you can make migrations with GDT_Email
<gizmore> an email col
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<phaul> so far I only heard people complaining about active record saying it does too much. You think something that does a lot more is better
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<gizmore> phaul:
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<gizmore> i want to make my DBA being extensible
<gizmore> like i want the user DBO have
<gizmore> GDT_AutoIncrement
<gizmore> GDT_Email
<jhass> could you press enter less? thanks
<gizmore> GDT_Gender
<gizmore> yeah, sorry
<gizmore> in ActiveRecords.... you got like 6 types
<gizmore> int, bla, bla
<gizmore> in GDO you got like unlimited types
<gizmore> Email, Boolean, Gender, Enum, Select, Name, bla
<gizmore> all types know how to behave
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<jhass> you'll love java
<gizmore> no way
<gizmore> bloatjava
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<gizmore> i hate java bloat libraries
<phaul> I like that idea
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<phaul> about GDOs
<gizmore> phaul: i did make php => ruby => php
<gizmore> and now i am thinking of recoding it
<gizmore> in C
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<jhass> do Fortran!
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<gizmore> jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different scnearious
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<gizmore> jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different szenarious
<gizmore> jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different szenarios
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<gizmore> 1) DB
<gizmore> 2) convert from code to db
<gizmore> 3) convert from db to code
<gizmore> 4) display in html
<gizmore> 5) display in json
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<gizmore> 6) display in html forms
<gizmore> 7) websockets and stuff are tbd
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<jhass> what if I want to serialize to YAML? Protobuf? Messagepack? My own custom encoding?
<gizmore> good and difficult question
<jhass> actually not, you're mixing concerns
<gizmore> you can use toJSON() for each datatype and make it convert to yaml mybe
<jhass> a serializer should know datatypes and conversions, not the datatype should know its serialzations and conversions
<jhass> since it's much easier to hook custom converters into a serializer
<gizmore> thats the difference of gdo
<jhass> than into each and every possible datatype
<gizmore> there are unlimited types
<gizmore> in activerecord... there is only 5 types
<gizmore> in gdo... there are unlimited types... the disatvantage is that they all need to implement a lot of cases
<gizmore> the cases are; 1) DB 2) DB to App and vice versa 3) JSON 4) JSON configforJS 5) .... thats it
<gizmore> HTML
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<gizmore> for example
<gizmore> GDT_Checkbox
<jhass> I think we all got it, thanks
<gizmore> or imagine this
<gizmore> you can make a migration with a GDT_Email field
<gizmore> in AR... email is a varchar
<jhass> how about you write a blogpost and post it to rubyflow or whatever instead of spamming this channel?
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<gizmore> i dont care much about the adaption yet
<gizmore> it was made for me.,.. by me
<jhass> ok, so why do you tell us?
<jhass> why not keep it for yourself then?
<gizmore> i just regularly troll you because my approach is the futureu
<gizmore> i want you to think on it
<gizmore> the approach is different
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<gizmore> it changes a lot
<gizmore> it is MIT licensed... so i share it
<jhass> it's not, seen it a lot in java. was a pain to use
<gizmore> in rails its a no go
<gizmore> example
<jhass> please stop
<gizmore> meh ok
<gizmore> just saying that Rails only offers 5 datatypes in DBA.... and it's isolated from the rest of your souce
<gizmore> GDO offers unlimited datatypes which supports all your responses
<gizmore> including dba
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<gizmore> imagine a world where you can plug GDT_Telephone into your DBA,JSON,HTML,Tables,Forms. etc
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<gizmore> i wanted to add a custom type to active record... like string
<gizmore> not possible easily
<gizmore> in my own type system... there are unlimited types to add to the DBA
<jhass> sssh
<gizmore> :x
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<jhass> there's #ruby-offtopic for that kind of stuff ;)
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<gizmore> jhass: also omnipotent datatypes add a new problem
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<gizmore> rails is fta compared to ruby
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