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<garyserj>
syntactically, what kind of statement is resources :users I see it within routes.rb of my rails app? I don't think it's a dictionary statement
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<RickHull>
it's probably a method call
<RickHull>
resources(:users)
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<hays>
how do I listen for broadcast packets in ruby
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<morfin>
i've got /home/morfin/.rbenv/versions/2.4.1/lib/ruby/2.4.0/digest.rb:16:in `const_missing': library not found for class Digest::MD5 -- digest/md5 (LoadError) - that's because i should rebuild Ruby with new SSL library?
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<b100s>
hi2all; I've got error: `Mysql2::Error - Lost connection to MySQL server during query`. My app has two threads: one sleep and do query to mysql, another one is main thread - listen for http query and do sql query; What could i do to avoid such errors?
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<sdfgsdfg23>
hi why not python ?
<sdfgsdfg23>
is ruby just syntactic sugar vs ez pz python ?
<sdfgsdfg23>
you dont like the semicolons ?
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<sdfgsdfg23>
the nice convenient libraries and community
<sdfgsdfg23>
which one should i learn if i had to choose one
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<guillec>
Hello Hello, got a quick question. What is the size of a Integer in ruby. When I look at the documentation it says 1.size => 4 but when I irb I get 1.size => 8. Thanks for any help.
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<tobiasvl>
guillec: well, if you're on a 32-bit system it'll be 4 (4 bytes * 8 bits = 32), if you're on 64-bit it'll be 8 (8 bytes * 8 bits = 64)
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<tobiasvl>
sdfgsdfg23: neither python nor ruby have semicolons?
<guillec>
tobiasvl: thank you for the clarification.
<sdfgsdfg23>
colons i mean
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<Papierkorb>
guillec: Ruby automatically extends the size of an integer to infinity (as much you have RAM) as needed
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<tobiasvl>
yeah, the *max* size can be larger
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<tobiasvl>
sdfgsdfg23: well, the colons in python are needed because of the indentation is syntax thing
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<guillec>
Papierkorb: thank you
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<sdfgsdfg23>
python doesnt extend the size of an integer to infinity ?
<sdfgsdfg23>
and beyond ?
<tobiasvl>
sdfgsdfg23: why are you bringing python into this? you'll have to ask that at #python
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<morfin>
how bundler install git gems?
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<morfin>
guys
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<morfin>
how do i specify iconv directory if it's /usr/local/lib/?
<hays>
in terms of app purpose utility accounting for all factors, python probably wins right now
<hays>
s/app/all/
<hays>
numpy/scipy/pandas is pretty killer
<hays>
but ruby has a zen to it i enjoy
<Papierkorb>
hays: Those who switched from Ruby I know of all did cause Go/Elixir/... was faster
<morfin>
can i somehow install gem which use libs from custom path?
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<hays>
Go is a pretty different language
<Papierkorb>
As is Elixir and friends
<hays>
its akin to high level C
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<hays>
whereas I think Python and Ruby fall into similar niches
<morfin>
so
<morfin>
i tried -- --with-libiconv-path=/usr/local/lib
<morfin>
tried set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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<hays>
that said i am a bit surprised large scale web services end up using such high level languages. but I guess they value the flexibility and are willing to pay the extra compute costs
<Papierkorb>
hays: Compared to developers, servers are cheap
<hays>
to a point, yes
<Papierkorb>
hays: Also, with cloud stuff, it's much easier to just spin up new instances and drop them once you don't need them - As long your setup is sane and actually supports that :)
<hays>
i think also REST+caching has really helped push the envelope
<hays>
many companies lose their competetive advantage if they try to optimize on compute costs.
<hays>
takes longer to do a dev cycle
<Papierkorb>
Of course, computing does become a liability once the "felt" end-user performance (end-to-end latency, etc) becomes too big
<hays>
sorry i had to talk that out. my company is cutting our server costs by 50% next year
<hays>
which is shifting way to many peoples' focus to optimization of compute
<hays>
and storage
<hays>
geature additions are grinding to a halt
<Papierkorb>
hays: One thing that's driving me insane with Ruby (and other dynamic languages) is that type errors sometimes don't appear until later. NoMethodError is a thing no one ever asked for.
<hays>
yep. late binding
<Papierkorb>
hays: wrt Go, I also never understood why a system programming language (!) became so popular with webdevs. But then, many of those are simply hype-driven and as Go is by Google, "it must be good for web!"
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<hays>
a lot of web devs seem to really be trying to strip away the layers and get down to the http layer
<hays>
see if they can get the dynamism of ruby/python without the performance hit
<hays>
thing is there are microframeworks doing the same things implemented in those languages. so i guess we'll see what happens
<Papierkorb>
I mean for many Ruby is Rails, and those switch away from it "cause it's too slow". Their loss, there are plenty good more light weblibs for Ruby which can reduce latency drastically
<hays>
i knew a guy that couldn't believe people needed anything but C for anything. including web and OOP (!).
<hays>
he thought a typedef on a void* was all you needed
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<hays>
yeah sinatra comes to mind
<Papierkorb>
C is extremely good for what it was designed for, I think it's a good language. But it simply falls apart once you hit complex user interaction things, like GUI
<Papierkorb>
hays: Roda <3
<hays>
I like Pocoo myself
<hays>
but its python
<Papierkorb>
hays: Has he tried another language though? I also started with C, later C++ once I wanted GUI and Gtk sucked (Qt ftw), and then switched to Ruby
<hays>
Papierkorb: not sure where he is these days. he was an older gentleman in 2000.
<Papierkorb>
... And basically ended up using Crystal for a year now, so basically I get the best of both worlds lul
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<hays>
but it wrote one of the most amazing and ridiculous books on C I've ever seen
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<Papierkorb>
hays: Though wrt `typedef void*`, I think you only start to enjoy real typesafety once your language makes use of it
<Papierkorb>
C doesn't have function overloading, type safety doesn't make much difference for that. You know what you call, thus you also know all types anyway. OOP-style C code (with function pointers in structs) also knows what it's using, so it doesn't shoot you there either that much
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<Papierkorb>
hays: Don't know your company of course, but I'd probably actually enjoy being tasked to speed up products. I think there's too much code running in the world that is magnitudes slower than reasonable, many could be improved a lot by rather small changes here and there.
<hays>
yeah its just a poor strategic decision
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<hays>
and what is actually going to save their butt is 3 months late because they wouldn't fund the r&d.
<hays>
of course now im sure they will give themselves pats on the back that they applied the pressure
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<morfin>
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<morfin>
still have same question - how build gems and link against libraries in different directory?
<morfin>
gem install mysql2 -v '0.4.9' -- --with-iconv-dir=/usr/local/lib do not work(give library not found)
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<morfin>
%bundle config build.mysql2 --use-system-libraries --with-iconv-dir=/usr/local/lib did not help either
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<havenwood>
morfin: how did you install libiconv? brew?
<havenwood>
morfin: see: brew --prefix libiconv
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<morfin>
havenwood, FreeBSD 11.1 i installed it using ports
<morfin>
in /usr/ports/converters/libiconv but there is no packageconfig file for iconv for some reason
<morfin>
i checked /usr/local/libdata/packageconfig/*iconv* nothing found, as example libressl has one
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<morfin>
i am wondering what if i create own pkgcoinfig
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<morfin>
libiconv.pc i mean
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<morfin>
is it possible to psas variables to gem install?
<morfin>
*pass - i tried i even bundle config build.mysql2 --use-system-libraries --with-iconv-dir=/usr/local and then bundle install
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<morfin>
why the heck it does not add this to path?
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