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<tau>
guys. i got a really odd situation. enumerator.take_while do |i| cond end.map do |n| stuff end fails but if i swittch to { and } instead of do annd end it works.
<zenspider>
pilne: that's a lot of talking about rounding. :/
<pilne>
yarp
<Derderderd>
zenspider: why so condisend
<Derderderd>
ing
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<zenspider>
Derderderd: Again, I have not made fun of your English skills, despite your insistence... but if you're going to keep harping on it, then I'm done with you.
<Derderderd>
wasnt even talk to you
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<pilne>
i'm so lost
<Derderderd>
w/e
<Derderderd>
i am done
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<zenspider>
good. drop it
* pilne
lets go of the mic
<zenspider>
pilne: I'm just as lost at this point.
<pilne>
this is like the time i dropped acid and used smalltalk
<pilne>
just my irc theme is more subdued
<zenspider>
pilne: I may have done that too :P
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<pilne>
lol
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<tau>
hi.
<Derderderd>
no you drop it zenspider
<tau>
this thing puts (1..10).map do |i| i end
<tau>
if i switch it to {}
<tau>
then it prints the list
<tau>
it is okay when they say {} has higher precedence
<tau>
but the way of how it works it doesnt make much sense though
<tau>
so, it is like puts prints the returning value of (1..10).map
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<tau>
then calls the block
<tau>
on the return alueof puts (1..10).map which is nil.
<tau>
it is not making much sense to me.
<zenspider>
!qkick Derderderd you don't listen... drop it
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<zenspider>
tau: puts (...).map do ... end is like:
<zenspider>
tau: puts((...).map) do ... end
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<zenspider>
tau: puts (...).map { ... } is like:
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<zenspider>
tau: puts((...).map { ... })
<Derderderd>
zenspider: ok
<zenspider>
tau: does that help at all? the `(...).map` is a valid argument by itself
<tau>
zenspider yes. it does however, the thing that i want to call attention is:
<tau>
puts((...).map) do ... end should be evaluated as puts((...).map) -> nill <-(calls do end on nill) do .. end
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<tau>
because (...).map {..}.map {...} works as (..).map {} -> result-value <-inject block .map {}
<tau>
get it?
<zenspider>
mmmm... not sure I entirely understand that one. can you not use "->" (valid ruby syntax)
<tau>
it is somehow an exception to the rule of evaluation.
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<joebobjoe>
I asked this before but no one answered (and I had to /quit early). How do I make ruby invoke a debugger when the interpreter is called from an external program? Is there some sort of environment flag I can set?
<joebobjoe>
I can't change the source code
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<zenspider>
joebobjoe: you can use $RUBYOPT to inject flags
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<tau>
is it outdated? i have read somewhere it is no more maintained. so not sure.
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<tau>
oh. great, it comes with tk. lol
<tau>
nice.
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<dminuoso>
Wow. So I had my first SIGBUS error in library *without* a self-written extension.
<dminuoso>
That was followed by tons of bizarre errors, segmentation faults.
<dminuoso>
Ruby crashing over and over again.
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<dminuoso>
All because this stupid library is not thread safe. :(
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<joebobjoe>
zenspider: thanks
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<qwertran2om>
hi,guys
<stevednd>
is it possible to use kwargs multiple levels deep? {args: {stuff: 123}} is there a way to define the method signature so I can have a variable `stuff`?
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<dminuoso>
stevednd: no and yes.
<dminuoso>
stevednd: Just by showing the lexer that somewhere in your method there is an assignment to a variable "stuff", it adds this information to the method itself.
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<dminuoso>
asm>> if false; stuff = nil; end;
<ruby[bot]>
dminuoso: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/703313
<dminuoso>
asm>> def foo; if false; stuff = nil; end; end
<ruby[bot]>
dminuoso: I have disassembled your code, the result is at https://eval.in/703314
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<dminuoso>
stevednd: ^- as you can see the variable "stuff" is added to the locals table, even though it's not used
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<stevednd>
dminuoso: I'm not sure I follow. If I were to define a method `def do_things(args:); puts args; end` I will get an output of `{stuff: 123}`. I'm looking for something like `def do_things(args:stuff:); puts stuff; end` where I then get the value 123 printed out.
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<kke>
terminology question. for example, the gem mutations, is there some more generic name for this kind of service objects?
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<kke>
task = Task.new(args); task.valid? task.run; task.success?; task.result. maybe i go with task. it sounds ok.
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<testuser1>
hello gents.. i am beginner to ruby. trying to implement a function that reads value from a file then iterate over values for another comparison…. looks like i am making some syntax mistake and stuck for a long time.. can someone help ?
<testuser1>
nofxxx: any suggestion to get this fixed ?
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<testuser1>
anyone ?
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<stevednd>
testuser1: you need to escape the forward slashes
<stevednd>
/"\/bin\/su - item"/
<testuser1>
now i am getting "11: unexpected return (LocalJumpError)"
<zenspider>
stevednd: the answer to your question is: no. I have NO idea where dminuoso was going with that
<dminuoso>
stevednd: Well it's definitely not possible syntax-wise what you are looking for. Usually you would just have a def foo(opts = {})
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<testuser1>
thanks.. escape thing worked
<testuser1>
but still getting "11: unexpected return (LocalJumpError)"
<zenspider>
args[:stuff] will have to suffice
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<dminuoso>
Though.
<dminuoso>
stevednd: I can think of a way to make it happen.
<zenspider>
testuser1: top level return makes no sense to ruby
<dminuoso>
stevednd: It just requires binding_of_caller..
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<dminuoso>
stevednd: Essentially you could write a helper method, so that you could do def foo(opts={}); expose_nested opts, :stuff, :quux, :foo; end
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<zenspider>
testuser1: elements isn't defined as an array but you're enumerating over it. and you're not using interpolation for "item"
<zenspider>
expose it how?
<testuser1>
elements=arr.join(" ")
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<testuser1>
isn't that becomes array ?
<zenspider>
read the doco on Array#join
<stevednd>
zenspider: yeah, I didn't think so. I can't be the first one interested in it though. It's a feature that JS has, and it's definitely pretty nice.
<testuser1>
okies
<zenspider>
stevednd: meh. I prefer more explicit cleaner code myself.
<zenspider>
wasn't aware that JS had that... what's it called? URL?
<zenspider>
ok... so like a very simple version of ML or racket's matching
<stevednd>
np. that example honestly makes it look horribly complicated, but I think it's just because they wanted to demonstrate the ability to rename on nested while also pulling out of an array
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<zenspider>
I don't like the way it reads tho
<stevednd>
could just as easily have written it as {title: , translations: {locale:}}
<stevednd>
def a(title:, translations: {locale:}) doesn't look too bad to me
<herwin>
it looks to me as if a translation-object would be more suitable than a nested hash
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<stevednd>
you have to have the second set of braces because they also allow destructuring from an array. if you wanted to ust allow from hashes you could probably get away with `translations:locale:` or something of the sort
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<stevednd>
herwin: maybe so, but that's not really the point.
<stevednd>
not everything is always going to end up passed around in objects
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<stevednd>
dminuoso: yeah, the binding_of_caller option is definitely overkill. I was really just looking for the convenience
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<stevednd>
it's a neat idea though
<tvm>
hi, non-rubyist here, what really happens when Foo::bar.new.run(blah,blah) is called ? I'd say that the class is instantiated without parameters, then the method run is called on the instance with given params, is that correct ?
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<zenspider>
tvm: mostly
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<zenspider>
probably should be Foo::Bar, in which case there is a constant lookup phase. that could call methods to resolve... then new w/o args. then blah and blah are evaluated (they could be calls)... THEN run is sent to the Foo::Bar instance with the results
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<tvm>
thank you
<zenspider>
n/p
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<qwertran2om>
Is there any Ruby projects or good open source code to read or pratice?
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<zenspider>
yes, lots. what are you interested in studying?
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<zenspider>
I *love* it when questions are asked with no intent of follow-up
<qwertran2om>
Oh, I thikn Ruby is cool, and I want practice more in OpenSource World, because my daiy work didn't give me the chance to use it. They use PHP mostly
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<zenspider>
testuser1: I gave you enough hints to fix your code afaik
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<qwertran2om>
@testuser1 I thinks the "Program Output" is quiet clear, and you can make it.
<testuser1>
still struggling :(
<zenspider>
testuser1: what are you struggling with?
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<testuser1>
string interpolation
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<bhaak>
there is no string interpolation in that code
<bhaak>
line 14 should probably not be an end
<testuser1>
i was enumerating over array ( in reality it's string )..
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<zenspider>
testuser1: have you fixed the basic syntax problem in the output?
<PaulePanter>
apeiros: Awesome. I like that. Hopefully I have time to benchmark all three implementations, just out of curiosity.
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<demoo>
hey all, I'm thinking of learning ruby on rails. I've never worked with any web framework before, is just following a tutorial the best course of action or would someone recommend I get some specific prior knowledge?
<dminuoso>
?rails
<ruby[bot]>
Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<demoo>
thank you sir
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<blackbom1>
marchelzo: what happened to 15 minutes? :D
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<marchelzo>
ruby is not easy
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<atmosx>
marchelzo: i think it is easy to learn (I can do it! Everybody can) - but as most things, it's hard to master (much like the guitar)
<atmosx>
I find concepts in ruby much clealer than say JS (e.g. showing what a class is)
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<qwertrandom>
yes, feel so too
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<marchelzo>
really?
<marchelzo>
i find javascript's object model a lot easier to grok
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<soahccc>
So I updated a few system libraries and a few gems are broken which I can fix with "gem pristine". What can I do about readline stuff? Do I have to rebuild ruby and if, can I use the same directory with ruby-build (sort of installing over the existing installation)
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<andrewvos>
just remove it first maybe
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<marchelzo>
readline is overrated
<marchelzo>
i use pry-coolline
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<blackbom1>
marchelzo: you learn fast
<marchelzo>
blackbom1: what do you mean
<blackbom1>
you've been learning ruby for a day, maybe a few and already you've discovered gems most people don't use.
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<johnzorn>
Anyone use cfndsl? Is there a way of dividing your template into parts and including/requiring them?
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<vulcam>
y deanker pegger
<vulcam>
Fun buns. Five a lump. Rash neh. Five trump. Rump. I said daddy deaddy dean to bun thing. I said a reanker pegger puh nigger
<vulcam>
Fun baddy dean I said a run trum thinking. Somethinkinking. I'm to be a rean to bad dean I am trum thinking a lum.en I said daddy dean bun uh puh-pum. Rump. I said a reanker pegger puh pum puh muh nigger. Rump. I said am rum thinking. Ass nigger. Ass nigger puh muh muh puh nigger
<vulcam>
Funs. Rump. A can be a rean bun thing am pum. Rump-pump-puh-pum. I said a lum run uh pump. Somethinking. A canking. Rump. Rash neh. Rash nigger. A canker pegger. Rump. I'm puh muh when I said daddy buns. Rash nigger. Rum puh muh puh puh-pum.m run buns. Rum puh pegger. A canker pegger. Five trum pegger. A can bad dead daddy deaddy bun uh muh puh-pump-puh-pump-pum. Rum thing about rum
<vulcam>
thing about rum thinking. Rash nigger
<vulcam>
Funs. Five thinking. Five to be a lump-pump. Somethinkinking. Something am thing. I'm thing. Five trun to bun uh puh puh pump. Ass nigger
<vulcam>
Fun I am to be am thing. Somethinking about runs. I said am run to bun baddy be a lump-pum.ss nigger. A can bun uh when I said daddy buns. I said a lump. Rump. A cankinking am puh-pum. Something. Rump-puh muh muh puh pum. Rump. Rump-pum. Rash nigger. A can bad dead a lump-pump. Five trump-puh puh nigger
<vulcam>
Fun buns. Five to be a lum pum puh muh puh muh muh muh puh neh. Rump. I'm run uh puh puh muh nigger. Ass neh. A can be trump-pump. I a rum. A canker pegger. Rump-puh puh muh neh. I'm thinking about run bun trun uh pegger. Rum.A canking about rump-pump-pum. Rump-pum pump. A canking. A canking about rump-puh pum. Something. I'm thinking. Ass nigger
<johnzorn>
Is it possible to create a function import('relative_path') not within the same file but in a library file?
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<havenwood>
johnzorn: Say more?
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<havenwood>
johnzorn: What do you mean by import? What are you trying to do?
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<johnzorn>
I created a function that basically used File.expand_path(filename, __dir__), I moved it into a utils library and of course it doesn't work anymore
<johnzorn>
I would need the __dir__ of the caller
<havenwood>
johnzorn: There's #require_relative for requiring relative to the requiring file's path.
<lupine>
it's ok, you can always run your ruby code through a preprocessor
<havenwood>
johnzorn: I still don't quite get what you're trying to do but I'm still waking up.
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<marchelzo>
they don't want to load a ruby file, they want to load a yaml file, i think
<marchelzo>
they want to be able to pass relative paths to a method that lives in another file
<marchelzo>
like require 'some_yaml_thing'; foo = SomeYamlThing.load_relative('abc')
<marchelzo>
but have the path be expanded relative to *that* source file, not the one that defines the load_relative method
<johnzorn>
marchelzo, exaclty
<Papierkorb>
"#{__dir__}/foo.yml" ?
<johnzorn>
I want a function data = myimport(relative_pathname)
<Papierkorb>
johnzorn: What's wrong with writing __dir__?
<johnzorn>
Papierkorb, ya one way, I thought it would be possible to have myimport('foo.yml')
<Papierkorb>
Not without ugly hacks.
<Papierkorb>
Which you don't want to do to avoid writing those 10 chars
<marchelzo>
11
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<marchelzo>
do you actually know a way to do it with ugly hacks?
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<Papierkorb>
Oh you just need binding_of_caller which does funny things in the VM to grab the caller(s) Binding object which you can then #eval to get the __FILE__ and do File.dirname on it, as __dir__ will only give ".". This is something you don't want to do, if you can simply use a helper method instead for instance.
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<Papierkorb>
Every hack that costs you more time than to do it the right way™ is stupid.
<Papierkorb>
Use them where it won't work without for whatever arcane reason
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<marchelzo>
binding_of_caller
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<marchelzo>
oh it's a gem
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<marchelzo>
cool
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<marchelzo>
i didn't even know about Binding
<marchelzo>
i have a lot to learn
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<marchelzo>
Papierkorb: i tried it out
<marchelzo>
File.dirname b.eval('__FILE__') gave me .
<marchelzo>
and b.eval('__dir__') gave me the full path
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<Papierkorb>
Tried in pry, was the other way around. But it's a hack, different and weird results may occur.
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marchelzo: nice this is just what I was looking for thanks!
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<marchelzo>
np
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<pilne>
i'm starting to feel like rack is truly ruby's secret weapon when it comes to software development of the future, granted, i see "cloud" applications as a "very good/strong" thing of the future, so rack's ability to build that might bias me
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