#ruby on 2016-07-12 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:20 <Tariq> I have a weird error message: "recvfrom for buffered IO (IOError)" and my Google search reveals it may be because I'm mixing buffered and non-buffered methods

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00:21 <Tariq> I have built a web server for a school project, and I am using the method recv_nonblock to read a POST request

00:22 <Tariq> I would like to know what I should do to deal with the IO error

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00:38 <Tariq> I fixed the issue by replacing recv_nonblock with read, thanks for your help rubber duckies.

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01:20 <al2o3-cr> frozen madras is shit

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01:21 <al2o3-cr> boil in the bag basmati rice nice

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01:23 <al2o3-cr> anyone can cook :)

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01:37 <Radar> !offtopic

01:37 <Radar> ?offtopic

01:37 <ruby[bot]> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!

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01:53 <postapocallyptic> I have a loop and inside I have socket connections trying sites/servers. In my code once a connections is achieved I want the loop to stop working. for some reason I think it makes a succesful connection and continues on with the loop.

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01:54 <postapocallyptic> I'm using sockify btw.

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01:56 <al2o3-cr> socksify still uses the underlying socket class

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01:57 <postapocallyptic> ok

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01:58 <postapocallyptic> why is the loop continueing though ? shouldn't the loop pause and wait until the connection is closed?

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01:59 <al2o3-cr> postapocallyptic: gist actual code, other wise it's a shot in the dark

01:59 <postapocallyptic> ok

01:59 <al2o3-cr> o-w*

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02:42 <al2o3-cr> >> -Object.class_eval { def -@; "bec timf" end }

02:42 <ruby[bot]> al2o3-cr: # => "bec timf" (https://eval.in/603655)

02:43 <al2o3-cr> good night

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05:10 <user1_> porter.rb:7: syntax error, unexpected ',' (SyntaxError) def self.download_images(destination:, cookie:, access_token:)

05:11 <user1_> what's wrong with this?

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05:11 <Radar> user1_: what version of Ruby?

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05:11 <user1_> 2.0.0p598

05:12 <pontiki> good call, radar

05:12 <Radar> user1_: keyword args are only available in Ruby 2.2 and up I think

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05:12 <user1_> thanks, i'll try a new version then

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05:16 <Radar> Or at least, that required keyword syntax is from 2.2 up iirc

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05:16 <Radar> I think (destination: nil) would work in Ruby 2.0. I don't have that accessible to find out

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05:17 <baweaver> Radar user1_: You can't have blank kwarg values in under 2.1

05:17 <baweaver> and that last bit will work

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05:19 <Radar> gg

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05:29 <user1_> newer version worked, thanks again

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05:45 <Guest34255> When I see this #<Micropost id: 1, content: "First micropost!", user_id: 1, created_at:"2016-05-15 02:37:37", updated_at: "2016-05-15 02:37:37">

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05:46 <Guest34255> Is that an object of Micropost class with attributes : id, content, user_id etc

05:46 <Guest34255> I don't get what the attributes are, instance variables?

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05:48 <pontiki> Guest34255: assuming Micropost is a Rails ActiveRecord class, they're the database record attributes

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05:49 <Guest34255> pontiki, ok got it. I see. I was trying to figure out what type of variable they are in ruby

05:49 <Guest34255> I guess it doesn't really translate

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05:55 <Radar> oh well they left

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05:56 <Radar> The values are stored on the class under the @attributes instance variable

05:56 <Radar> the methods are defined dynamically to access it, like @attributes["content"]

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09:07 <valkyrka> hi guys, I know this is Chef but maybe you can give me a hand since it’s Ruby based - executing https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6552a5c36ba89853e2b7668ee3a94189 throws the error /opt/chef-solo/cookbooks/chef-splunk/recipes/deploy_apps.rb:64: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end, which and am I missing?

09:08 <elomatreb> valkyrka: Is that the whole file?

09:08 <jhass> valkyrka: every do needs an end

09:08 <jhass> ?tabs

09:08 <ruby[bot]> Ruby community standards recommend using 2 spaces as indentation (see https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide#spaces-indentation and https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/).

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09:08 <valkyrka> that is the whole file

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09:09 <elomatreb> Then you're missing an "end" at the end of the file

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09:11 <valkyrka> thanks @elomatreb

09:11 <valkyrka> that did the trick!

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09:13 <dminuoso> valkyrka: Also, you cut out your gist. It says line 64, but your gist has only 55 lines of code.

09:13 <dminuoso> So don't lie.

09:13 <elomatreb> Why so hostile?

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09:14 <dminuoso> elomatreb: Because I hate it when people paste incomplete gists. Not only makes it impossible to correlate error messages to source code, but people also have a tendency to cut out parts they assume to be correct, but may be wrong.

09:15 <valkyrka> sorry, it’s my bad - i I did cut out the comments which would make it hard to debug

09:15 <valkyrka> they were just the comments in the beginning as they reveal my company name

09:15 <valkyrka> the company that I work for*

09:16 <elomatreb> dminuoso: Even so, calling someone a liar like that is hardly appropriate

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09:20 <apeiros> lets assume they said "please don't leave out information" and move on. the underlying sentiment to use a clearly negative description is IMO very understandable. they provide free help. having to deal with bad information is annoying. and I think valkyrka understood.

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09:22 <elomatreb> apeiros: Of course, I was purely picking on wording

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09:23 <dminuoso> valkyrka: It's fine. Next time just include a remark to let us (something like: "This is line 64 where the error was reported at") or something similar.

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09:23 <dminuoso> To let us know I mean. :)

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09:24 <valkyrka> got it :)

09:24 <TomyWork> 18# def foo; return not 1; end

09:24 <TomyWork> 18>> def foo; return not 1; end

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09:25 <dminuoso> TomyWork: You need to be identified in order to use the bot.

09:25 <TomyWork> ahhh

09:25 <TomyWork> 18>> def foo; return not 1; end

09:25 <ruby[bot]> TomyWork: # => /tmp/execpad-07451cbd4231/source-07451cbd4231:2: syntax error, unexpected kNOT, expecting kEND ...check link for more (https://eval.in/603846)

09:26 <TomyWork> i have a VM with ruby 1.8.7 that shows me that strange syntax error... easy enough to work around, but nonetheless odd

09:27 <apeiros> TomyWork: it's unrelated to 1.8

09:27 <apeiros> >> def foo; return not 1; end

09:27 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => /tmp/execpad-a7f0c54c17ba/source-a7f0c54c17ba:2: syntax error, unexpected tINTEGER, expecting '(' ...check link for more (https://eval.in/603848)

09:27 <apeiros> either precedence or parser issue. I'd bet on precedence. but too lazy to figure the details.

09:27 <apeiros> >> def foo; return !1; end # works just fine

09:27 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => :foo (https://eval.in/603849)

09:28 <apeiros> >> def foo; return (not 1); end # does too

09:28 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => :foo (https://eval.in/603850)

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09:28 <dminuoso> apeiros: It definitely is a precedence issue.

09:28 <TomyWork> >> def foo; return not(@modify_password or @add_entry or @modify_attr or @modify_group); end

09:28 <ruby[bot]> TomyWork: # => :foo (https://eval.in/603854)

09:28 <dminuoso> apeiros: And it is by design.

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09:28 <dminuoso> So not a bug, working as intended.

09:28 <TomyWork> that's the actual line

09:29 <TomyWork> 18>> def foo; return not(@modify_password or @add_entry or @modify_attr or @modify_group); end

09:29 <ruby[bot]> TomyWork: # => /tmp/execpad-4e2f3a1785cf/source-4e2f3a1785cf:2: syntax error, unexpected kNOT, expecting kEND ...check link for more (https://eval.in/603855)

09:29 <dminuoso> TomyWork: Use !

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09:29 <TomyWork> dminuoso not my code, i'm afraid :)

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09:29 <dminuoso> TomyWork: It is illegal regardless of the Ruby version.

09:29 <TomyWork> dminuoso i just showed that it isn't

09:30 <apeiros> TomyWork: I think I just showed that it is :)

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09:30 <dminuoso> TomyWork: you showed that it is.

09:30 <dminuoso> TomyWork: keyword_and is defined as being left associative - explicitly.

09:30 <TomyWork> apeiros yeah my inadequately simplified code runs on no ruby version

09:30 <apeiros> ah

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09:30 <apeiros> missed the one where you showed your actual code on current ruby

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09:31 <dminuoso> Ah, that bit I missed too. :)

09:31 <shevy> old ruby confuses people!

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09:33 <apeiros> yes shevy, it does. have you moved on yet? :-p

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09:34 <shevy> yep!

09:34 <shevy> thanks to tenderlove's syck gem

09:35 <apeiros> oh, so you still have the transition syck -> psych before you. have fun.

09:35 <shevy> I don't feel any pain right now :)

09:35 <dminuoso> TomyWork: Can you run this simple program: "def f; return not(a); end" with "ruby -y" on your 1.8 machine and gist the output?

09:35 <apeiros> tip: load all your data using the Syck engine, change the engine to Psych, and then write it back

09:35 <apeiros> that's how we migrated from syck to psych

09:35 <dminuoso> TomyWork: (I dont have Debian, so I dont have access to Ruby 1.8)

09:36 <apeiros> shevy: you will once either syck becomes dysfunctional or you have some dependency which requires psych.

09:36 * dminuoso is genuinely curious what changes were made to the grammar to make this functional

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09:36 <apeiros> dminuoso: 18>> here does htat

09:36 <apeiros> *that

09:36 <apeiros> 18>> RUBY_VERSION

09:36 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => "1.8.7" (https://eval.in/603860)

09:36 <dminuoso> apeiros: Does it have -y baked in?

09:37 <dminuoso> ;-)

09:37 <apeiros> ah

09:37 <apeiros> now you made me man ruby

09:37 <apeiros> lol, "DO NOT USE"

09:37 <apeiros> I guess that's why I didn't remember that one

09:37 <elomatreb> --i-know-what-im-doing

09:37 <apeiros> yeah :)

09:38 <apeiros> still love zenspider's i_am_an_idiot_because_my_tests_are_order_dependent (or similar) in minitest

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09:41 <Bish> how do i start processes with ruby and pipe from it?

09:41 <Bish> sure i have `` or %x(), but how can i start a process and read/write from it's stdin/stdout

09:41 <apeiros> Bish: dozens of possibilities

09:41 <Bish> what's the best

09:41 <apeiros> Kernel/Process.spawn being the most universal

09:42 <Bish> inb4 "the best is"

09:42 <apeiros> ?best Bish

09:42 <ruby[bot]> Bish: "better" and "best" depend entirely on your context. Try to describe what quality would make one thing better than the other.

09:42 <Bish> haha, i called it

09:42 <apeiros> IO.popen, open3, open4 etc. being alternatives

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09:42 <Bish> IO.popen sounds good, i've seen that often in code, meaning it is inside good code.

09:42 <Bish> bot nothing is more universal than %x/`` right?

09:43 <apeiros> um, `` is not universal.

09:43 <apeiros> it's the most limited there is.

09:43 <shevy> `` is beauty!

09:43 <apeiros> well, might consider system() more limited.

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09:43 <elomatreb> backticks have a weird aftertaste for an ex-php developer

09:44 <dminuoso> apeiros: It's not even a Ruby function, it just enables bison debugging - it cannot possibly be useful to anyone using Ruby unless they are debugging not just the interpreter, but the grammar Ruby uses. ;-)

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09:44 <apeiros> backticks also shouldn't be used if part of the command is from user-input

09:44 <dminuoso> So the "DO NOT USE" makes sense since it would just confuse anyone.

09:44 <apeiros> LUNCHTIME

09:44 <apeiros> laters @ all

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09:48 <Bish> im just trying to parse postfix utilities

09:49 <Bish> like postqueue -p

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10:26 <TomyWork> dminuoso sles11

10:26 <TomyWork> not debian

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10:27 <dminuoso> TomyWork: I think you mistood my sarcasm for an honest remark.

10:27 <TomyWork> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ruby debian stable has 2.1.5

10:28 <TomyWork> oldstable has 1.9.3

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10:30 <TomyWork> and honestly i get why they dont upgrade after the release. or can you guarantee that a ruby 1.9.3 program runs with 2.3.1?

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10:39 <shevy> this is fine

10:39 <shevy> then they should tell people to not come to #ruby but stay on #debian when they have problems related from debian-ruby

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11:36 <dminuoso> TomyWork: You have to ask the maintainers in #debian-ruby on OFTC

11:36 <dminuoso> TomyWork: And regarding your question, even minor Ruby releases can and have made compatibility breaks.

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11:40 <TomyWork> i know and that's my point. your sarcasm was a little misplaced :)

11:40 <dminuoso> Perhaps.

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11:43 <TomyWork> i really hate having to acknowledge that fact about ruby. backwards compatibility is the one big issue with ruby that I have. Would be great if I could just specify a ruby version in my Gemfile and bundler takes care of running it with "bundle exec"

11:44 <TomyWork> then I wouldnt have to worry about backwards compatibility at all

11:44 <apeiros> you can, it'll at least verify the version

11:44 <apeiros> and most of the ruby version managers support .ruby-version files

11:45 <TomyWork> well, i've only used rvm so far... installing it is a majorly intrusive operation by itself that I wouldnt want to automate

11:46 <adaedra> chruby!

11:46 <TomyWork> gesundheit!

11:46 <TomyWork> i'll look that up :)

11:46 <apeiros> TomyWork: well, choose your poison

11:46 <apeiros> and as adaedra pointed out - there's other version managers than rvm if you don't like the way rvm works

11:47 <apeiros> we're using rvm in production and don't have a reason to complain so far (iirc 5-6y of operations)

11:47 <adaedra> :O

11:47 <TomyWork> well i have this one machine with at least 3 different ruby apps on it

11:48 <apeiros> cute? :-p

11:48 <TomyWork> i dont think it was ever properly set up though

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11:52 <TomyWork> adaedra chruby looks great

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11:53 <TomyWork> i'll give it a try next time i need a ruby version manager

11:53 <dminuoso> apeiros: I still think RVM for production environments is a bold thing to do. ;-)

11:53 <dminuoso> But then again I may be spoiled by thinking in terms of docker.

11:54 <apeiros> dminuoso: maybe we're not knowledgable enough to see the dangers. but so far zero problems we've had in the past 6 years wrt ruby were rvm's fault.

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11:54 <adaedra> at the end, it's always human fault.

11:54 <dminuoso> apeiros: Until some random part that expects cd/do not to be hooked breaks. :)

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11:55 <apeiros> dminuoso: see, and either we don't have that or it's less of a problem than you make it

11:55 <elomatreb> The problems start when *another* program hooks cd

11:55 <apeiros> the hooked cd is afaik only a problem for login shells anyway

11:56 <dminuoso> apeiros: Well, honestly shells already have a well-defined mechanism for controlling which binary to execute - PATH, which is precisely what chruby does.

11:56 <dminuoso> Everything else is just hacks.

11:56 <dminuoso> Whether they work or not.

11:56 <apeiros> that's not the problem the hook in rvm solves, though

11:56 <apeiros> so apples to pears

11:56 <dminuoso> Fair enough. :)

11:56 <dminuoso> That's a good point.

11:57 <elomatreb> The cd hook handles .ruby-version files, right?

11:57 <apeiros> the application change is managed through env vars too - again, afaik/afaiu (understand)

11:57 <dminuoso> elomatreb: Yeah.

11:57 <apeiros> I think so, yes

11:57 <dminuoso> elomatreb: Either you have to hook cd or provide a binstub, cant get around that if you want to dynamically check based on your current directory.

11:58 <dminuoso> (That is unless another invocation mechanism was provided, that implicitly passed the current working directory)

11:58 <elomatreb> Yeah. The question is if it'S even worth it, tbh

11:58 <apeiros> on a server: IMO not. on a dev machine: I like the automatic change.

11:59 <elomatreb> How often do you have different ruby versions locally though? I have installed and set 2.3.1 when it came out, never needed something else since

11:59 <apeiros> we use rvm because it was the first. we never changed because there was no reason to. I guess if we'd retool our stuff, we'd not use rvm on the servers.

11:59 <apeiros> how often do I? 100% of the time on all of my machines :)

11:59 <apeiros> we don't have the resources to permanently move and test all applications to the current ruby version.

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12:00 <apeiros> s/permanently/all the time/

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12:00 <jhass> dminuoso: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/blob/master/share/chruby/auto.sh#L32

12:00 <dminuoso> elomatreb: Well, I might be tempted to have this to accomdate multiple gemsets honestly.

12:00 <dminuoso> ;-)

12:00 <dminuoso> Because some projects I have use different gemsets.

12:00 <elomatreb> Mh, I guess if you're working with more than one app

12:00 <jhass> bundler replaced gemsets for me

12:00 <apeiros> mhm, more than a dozen apps

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12:00 <apeiros> same @ gemsets/bundler

12:01 <dminuoso> jhass: There's some bits and parts where you have to use gemsets. If you plan on using multiple versions of the same gem providing bins (like Rails)

12:01 <jhass> bundle exec rails / bin/rails

12:01 <dminuoso> jhass: And how do you install rails?

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12:01 <dminuoso> ;-)

12:01 <Bish> what's a good syntax to let user create configuration of, lets's say, mysql databases

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12:01 <dminuoso> jhass: I mean yeah, you could start with a Gemfile and populate it as you go..

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12:01 <jhass> if I start an app I want to start it on latest rails anyway

12:01 <Bish> at first i had them like "hostname:port" one per line, but the user wanted more and more parameters, what's a good way to do that

12:02 <jhass> so a global installed most recent rails is no issue

12:02 <lupine> I quite like bundle install --path=vendor/bundle instead of gemsets

12:02 <dminuoso> jhass: I suppose its a moot point, since you only need it once anyway.

12:02 <jhass> Bish: most stuff settle's on URIs these days

12:03 <jhass> mysql://user:password@host:port/database?encoding=utf8mb4

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12:03 <dminuoso> Bish: It depends on your needs really. Oracle for example allows for jdbc uris like this: jdbc:oracle:thin:@//[HOST][:PORT]/SERVICE

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12:03 <jhass> lupine: yeah, I just added BUNDLE_PATH: vendor/bundle to my ~/.bundle/config

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12:04 <dminuoso> Or I suppose that is not an actual URI..

12:04 <dminuoso> Or is it?

12:04 <jhass> the @// part is weird

12:04 <jhass> multiple protocols is a ok iirc

12:04 <dminuoso> Yeah I was wondering about the @// part

12:04 <dminuoso> Reading the RFC now.

12:06 <dminuoso> scheme = ALPHA *( ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "-" / "." )

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12:06 <dminuoso> And the authority needs to be preceeded with //, so it s not an RFC3986 URI.

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12:07 <jhass> the current RFC is a 6... one iirc?

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12:08 <jhass> mh I guess I don't

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12:13 <dminuoso> jhass: Oh wait, it is a legal URI!

12:13 <dminuoso> authority = [ userinfo "@" ] host [ ":" port ]

12:13 <dminuoso> Silly me, I was thinking preceeding was doing its thing on the other hand.

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12:14 <dminuoso> Or is this? Im confused.

12:14 <dminuoso> Majorly.

12:14 <jhass> it's not

12:14 <jhass> / is not part of host

12:14 <jhass> //

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12:44 <Bish> jhass: this is pretty much what i did

12:45 <jhass> pretty much?

12:45 <Bish> then i ran into the problem of the password containing ":" when the user copy pasted it, (sure i could encode it, but then i have to parse it first ) :(

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12:45 <Bish> mysql by the way was just an example

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12:47 <jhass> well that's what URL encoding is for though

12:47 <Bish> doesn't help if the user doesn't give me correctly encoded urls

12:47 <elomatreb> Does it have to be a string?

12:47 <Bish> well, it should be readable so #{user} is not confused

12:48 <Bish> i would use json, but that's already too complex, i guess

12:48 <elomatreb> How about a hash?

12:48 <Bish> same thing i guess?

12:48 <jhass> oh, actually

12:48 <Bish> but it has to be something like that, sadly :/

12:48 <jhass> >> require "uri"; URI.parse("mysql://user:pass:word@host").password

12:48 <ruby[bot]> jhass: # => "pass:word" (https://eval.in/603963)

12:48 <elomatreb> Mh, if JSON is too complex, a URI might be too, esp. if you want the user to have their password in it

12:49 <Bish> jhass: well there was more to it, i think it was an ]

12:49 <Bish> >> require "uri"; URI.parse("mysql://user:pass]=123@host");

12:49 <ruby[bot]> Bish: # => bad URI(is not URI?): mysql://user:pass]=123@host (URI::InvalidURIError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/603964)

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12:49 <Bish> it looked kinda like that

12:50 <jhass> that you would need to CGI.escape, yes

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12:50 <Bish> yeah well, but to do that, i would've to parse it first

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12:51 <Bish> i think i will force the user to do that

12:51 <jhass> yes

12:51 <jhass> asking people dealing with database connection strings to URL encode them is not too much to ask

12:51 <Bish> well but how to detect corrupt uri

12:51 <Bish> jhass: as i said, mysql was an example, they're not adding mysql servers

12:51 <jhass> you just did, rescue URI::InvalidURIError

12:52 <jhass> Bish: I can only argue on the things you state

12:52 <Bish> well, it's basicially the same thing.. just not mysql

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12:52 <Bish> a URI to specify stuff

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12:52 <elomatreb> I still think a user working with databases should be capable of using JSON or a ruby Hash

12:53 <elomatreb> Def. more convenient than URI-encoding passwords

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12:53 <jhass> the thing is URIs are pretty standard for database connection strings

12:53 <jhass> your made up JSON structure is not

12:53 <sash_> Hey everyone, I am converting an old ruby program that uses ruby-dbi for database stuff. I found some problems and bugs and started to rewrite parts of it. Then I found https://github.com/RDBI/rdbi. Does anyone know if I can use it as a drop in replacement?

12:54 <jhass> well, looks pretty dead

12:54 <elomatreb> jhass: Isn't requring the password to be URL-encoded just as arbitrary?

12:55 <jhass> elomatreb: it is, requring a valid URI as a whole isn't

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12:56 <elomatreb> That's true I suppose. Maybe offer both, as a convenience?

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12:56 <lupine> ruby doesn't GC anonymous classes, does it?

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12:57 <jhass> good question, I would hope it does

12:57 <jhass> and kinda thought so

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12:58 <elomatreb> Is the "class << self" syntax explained somewhere? Is it just arbitrary syntax?

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12:59 <jhass> not sure I would call it arbitrary

13:00 <lupine> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18444430/anonymous-modules-and-classes-garbage-collection-in-ruby suggests it does

13:00 <jhass> but it is just syntax to open an objects singleton class

13:00 <jhass> >> o = Object.new; class << o; def hello; "world"; end; end; o.hello

13:00 <ruby[bot]> jhass: # => "world" (https://eval.in/603972)

13:01 <elomatreb> I guess what I meant was: Is the "<<" part something the interpreter does or is it a method call?

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13:01 <jhass> it's syntax

13:01 <jhass> "class <<" should be the keyword I think

13:01 <jhass> lex>> class << foo; end

13:01 <jhass> eh

13:02 <lupine> 2.3 and 2.1 are fine

13:02 <jhass> tok>> class << foo; end

13:02 <ruby[bot]> jhass: I have tokenized your code, the result is at https://eval.in/603973

13:02 <jhass> ast>> class << foo; end

13:02 <ruby[bot]> jhass: I have parsed your code, the result is at https://eval.in/603974

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13:02 <dminuoso> elomatreb: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/parse.y#L2995

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13:02 <elomatreb> jhass: Thank you! That's helpful

13:03 <elomatreb> dminuoso: OK, that's a little too high for me, but thank you as well!

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13:05 <dminuoso> elomatreb: It's the grammar rule that looks for "keyword_class << expression" :)

13:05 <dminuoso> Interestingly it shows, that the right hand side may be any epxression.

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13:05 <elomatreb> I figured as much, can't read that file though. Maybe something I should learn

13:06 <Bish> >> require "uri";require "cgi"; URI.parse("mysql://user:#{CGI.escape(pass]=123)}@host");

13:06 <ruby[bot]> Bish: # => /tmp/execpad-731f65d245e6/source-731f65d245e6:2: syntax error, unexpected ']', expecting ')' ...check link for more (https://eval.in/603978)

13:06 <dminuoso> Bish: You have a stray ] in there, is that desired?

13:06 <Bish> obviously not ;)

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13:08 <dminuoso> elomatreb: If you are familiar with formal grammars, Bison uses a machine readable form of the "Backus Naur Form" :)

13:08 <dminuoso> Which Ruby uses to generate its parser from.

13:09 <elomatreb> I know the concept, haven't had to work with it yet. Just a hobby programmer :)

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13:11 <dminuoso> I find it quite surprising, that Bison is still used, considering the age of it and lack of active development over the years.

13:12 <dminuoso> The horrible documentation (that more often than not requires you to RTFS), or incomplete implementation of things (C++ generators)

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13:14 <jhass> parser generators, love them or hate them ;)

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13:17 <dminuoso> jhass: ANTLR is far superior in all of these aspects. :P

13:17 <dminuoso> Also twitter uses ANTLR. So it has to be good.

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13:17 <jhass> I'm sure Twitter uses PHP somewhere too.

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13:23 <dminuoso> jhass: Ticket created. "Migrate all tools and applications to PHP" Thanks for the hint.

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13:23 <jhass> yw

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13:26 <dminuoso> jhass: In unrelated news...

13:26 <dminuoso> https://twitter.com/RReverser/status/722092088213565440

13:26 <dminuoso> Now if that shit is not downright hilarious.

13:26 <jhass> haha

13:26 <Bish> well, who does not minify javascript?

13:27 <dminuoso> Bish: People who don't just use JavaScript for web development?

13:27 <dminuoso> Like, you know, node.js

13:27 <Bish> people who not use javascript do not minify it

13:28 <Bish> tautology if you ask me

13:28 <jhass> Bish: node.js is javascript

13:28 <Bish> well, if you use js serverside or clientside is still for web development

13:28 <Bish> don't you think so

13:28 <Bish> otherwise rails isn't web development

13:29 <jhass> there are CLI apps written in node

13:29 <jhass> iirc keybase was for example before they switched to Go

13:29 <workmad3> Bish: node.js can be used for general purpose tools, not just web services

13:29 <Bish> yeah but he said web development

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13:29 <workmad3> Bish: he said "people who use JS for things other than web development" (rephrased for clarity)

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13:30 <Bish> workmad3: how do you know what he wanted to say?

13:30 <workmad3> Bish: because I can read and interpret the term `don't just use` correctly? :P

13:30 <dminuoso> workmad3: You would suck as an LALR parser.

13:30 <dminuoso> But nice error recovery!

13:30 <dminuoso> :-)

13:31 <Bish> okay you win

13:31 <Bish> but know i start the real flamewar

13:31 <Bish> and say, who uses spaces instead of tabs

13:31 <jhass> ?tabs

13:31 <ruby[bot]> Ruby community standards recommend using 2 spaces as indentation (see https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide#spaces-indentation and https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/).

13:31 <dminuoso> workmad3: Jokes aside, thanks for clarifying.

13:31 <workmad3> dminuoso: no probs :)

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13:32 <Bish> i never got where the advantage of spaces is

13:32 <dminuoso> Bish: They always look the same everywhere.

13:33 <dminuoso> (Assuming you ahve a font that uses equal width for all characters of course)

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13:33 <Bish> yeah, i would say that's a disadvantage

13:33 <Bish> with tabs you could align it, as much as you want ( i do that with vim )

13:33 <Bish> just set the width of a tab to 2 spaces, dafuq is wrong with people

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13:34 <dminuoso> Bish: And then you would have to change the tab width for every project, just because they all mandate different tab width.

13:34 <jhass> what if I want to indent something to three visual spaces then?

13:34 <Bish> how do i have to change it for every project? i have an editor, and i use it everywhere

13:34 <dminuoso> Bish: Project A uses tab indention, assuming 8 character width. Project b uses tab indention, assuming 4 character width.

13:34 <jhass> (there's actually a superior alternative to both, flexitabs or so, but no shit actually implements it)

13:35 <Bish> dminuoso: !? why would say switch?

13:35 <Bish> why would i switch*

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13:35 <dminuoso> Bish: Because you may be involved in more than one project?

13:35 <Bish> i thought both use tabs indention?

13:36 <Bish> why would it matter how it's displayed

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13:36 <dminuoso> Bish: Let's say you break a single line, say a function call like foo(1234,5678,8901,2345,5678,8901) into multiple lines and align the arugments to appear in the same columnn.

13:36 <dminuoso> Suddenly you care very greatly about the tab width.

13:37 <Bish> a) that's another thing i'd never do because it's as crazy as spaces as indention

13:37 <Bish> b) i don't get how that WOULD be a problem with tabs

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13:38 <dminuoso> If you cannot see how that would be a problem with tabs, then I don't know how I can help you.

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13:38 <Bish> ... yeah pressing spaces twice for every tab i want to write really makes a difference

13:38 <Bish> you spaces people are b*s*tcrazy

13:38 <dminuoso> Bish: My editor expands tabs automatically into spaces.

13:38 <jhass> ^

13:38 <Bish> yeah that's great, and crazy

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13:38 <dminuoso> Bish: Every half way modern editor supports this.

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13:39 <Bish> yeah because people are crazy, never needed it, if i need it then because people are crazy

13:39 <jhass> s/half way modern//

13:39 <dminuoso> jhass: Well, I wanted to make sure nobody mentioned Notepad if I said that.

13:39 <jhass> Bish: cool down, accept that your opinion about a topic is not objective truth (and neither is anybody else's)

13:40 <dminuoso> Is it just me, or did github get new default fonts? :)

13:40 <Bish> i do accept it, but i have to live in this world where people tell me to use spaces while i think its crazy

13:40 <jhass> dminuoso: notepad is as much a editor as the input field of my bank accounts login :P

13:40 <jhass> dminuoso: it's not just you, everybody gets a different random font now

13:41 <dminuoso> ?!

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13:41 <jhass> they basically fucked but their font-family to the degree that it's hugely dependent on OS/browser/available fonts

13:41 <jhass> more than before anyway

13:41 <Bish> i would've never noticed taht if you didn't mention

13:41 <dminuoso> Mmm, well whatever they did - I like how it looks.

13:42 <dminuoso> So now I am a happy paying customer. :)

13:42 <dminuoso> Granted... I was before too..

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14:54 <agent_white> Mornin'

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14:54 <jiblet> mornin

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15:08 <SteppenII> Hi, I have the book, programming ruby 1.9, is it worthwhile buying programming ruby 1.2 & 2.0?

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15:09 <SteppenII> Hi, I have the book, programming ruby 1.9, is it worthwhile buying programming ruby 1.9 & 2.0?

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15:10 <jhass> probably not, the big changes were between 1.8 and 1.9

15:10 <jhass> read a couple what's new in ruby 2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 blogs

15:10 <jhass> you'd have to do that for 2.1/2.2/2.3 anyway so doing it for 2.0 doesn't add much

15:10 <SteppenII> Thanks, where are those blogs

15:11 <jhass> in your google results

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15:11 <SteppenII> thanks,

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16:16 <depesz> hi. if/when I do require 'xxx' - how can I see full path to file that got loaded?

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16:18 <toretore> $LOADED_FEATURES.last

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16:19 <depesz> toretore: cool. thanks.

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16:21 <apeiros> note that if xxx requires something itself too, it won't be .last on $LOADED_FEATURES

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16:23 <depesz> yeah, noticed.

16:23 <depesz> thanks.

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16:26 <toretore> apeiros: won't it though?if i require 'foo' which requires 'bar' it will happen recursively, and the bar require will "finish" first

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16:26 <toretore> >> require 'json'; $LOADED_FEATURES[-3, 3]

16:26 <ruby[bot]> toretore: # => ["/execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.3.0/lib/ruby/2.3.0/i686-linux/json/ext/generator.so", "/execpad/inter ...check link for more (https://eval.in/604172)

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18:10 <FernandoBasso> How do I use 'foo 10 bar 20 jedi'[/\d+/, 1], but makig the regex global?

18:10 <toretore> scan

18:11 <FernandoBasso> It seems ruby does not allow something like /regex/g

18:12 <dminuoso> tercenya: Not for String#[] from what I can tell. You have to use the Regexp#match interface.

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18:12 <FernandoBasso> yes, I have seen that on the web. I just wondered if there is a way using the syntax I showed.

18:12 <hanmac> dminuoso: Regexp#match also does only the first one

18:12 <dminuoso> hanmac: On second thought... :-)

18:13 <apeiros> FernandoBasso: correct. in ruby, it's not the regex which decides how often it should match, it's the method which operates on/with the regex.

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18:13 <dminuoso> FernandoBasso: map is your friend then :-)

18:13 <apeiros> hence toretore's String#scan

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18:13 <FernandoBasso> Thank you.

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18:22 <wrkrcoop> im trying to stub a method in a module but it doesnt seem to be working

18:23 <wrkrcoop> i tried my_module.stub(:endpoint_transaction).and_return(:msd)

18:23 <wrkrcoop> it says undefined method ‘endpoint transaction’

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18:23 <wrkrcoop> the method in the module is not prefixed with self.

18:24 <toretore> ?code wrkrcoop

18:24 <ruby[bot]> wrkrcoop: We can't help you without your code, please post it to https://gist.github.com

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18:24 <wrkrcoop> that is the code: my_module.stub(:endpoint_transaction).and_return(:msd)

18:25 <toretore> ...

18:25 <wrkrcoop> my_module def endpoint_transaction end end

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18:26 <jhass> ...

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18:27 <wrkrcoop> thats the code

18:27 <wrkrcoop> basically

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18:28 <jhass> come back when you have a runnable self contained example demonstrating your issue

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18:28 <jhass> we've been through this too many times, please just stop it

18:30 <wrkrcoop> im just asking how to stub a module

18:30 <jhass> your example is correct

18:30 <jhass> it's also irrelevant to your real code

18:30 <wrkrcoop> hmm wierd then

18:32 <wrkrcoop> thanks

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18:49 <lupine> this guy gives worker's cooperatives a bad name :/

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19:02 <havenwood> do be nice

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19:11 <shevy> stab all the toes!

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19:21 <lupine> sorry matz ^^

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19:44 <postapocallyptic> I'm doing a do while loop and I have a break inside it and for some reason when the break is reached the whole application shuts down. instead of getting out of the loop.

19:45 <postapocallyptic> maybe I should specify the loop with a {}

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19:46 <shevy> postapocallyptic come on man

19:47 <toretore> ?code postapocallyptic

19:47 <ruby[bot]> postapocallyptic: We can't help you without your code, please post it to https://gist.github.com

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19:49 <havenwood> postapocallyptic: control will be transferred to the line after the loop block after a break

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19:51 <postapocallyptic> the code goes like this http://pastebin.com/7gpLXYQH

19:51 <ruby[bot]> postapocallyptic: as I told you already, please use https://gist.github.com

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19:52 <toretore> `begin` does not loop

19:53 <toretore> oh nm

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19:54 <shevy> switch to "loop {}" constructs and your problems will go away

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19:58 <dminuoso> toretore: I think all begin does is set up catch/throw (the exception mechanism uses this)

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20:02 <jhass> dminuoso: begin; body; end while condition is one way to do a do-while loop in ruby

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20:02 <dminuoso> jhass: I actually wonder how that is implemented.

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20:02 <jhass> special cased

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20:03 <dminuoso> Like everything else in Ruby. :-)

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20:03 <highbass> hey guys.. i used some gems to overwrite the default Raisl logger... however, i still have some logs that get written over to logs/production.log ....

20:03 <highbass> how can i go about redirecting those logs to a different location?

20:03 <dminuoso> ?rails highbass

20:03 <ruby[bot]> highbass: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP

20:03 <highbass> ok thanks

20:03 <dminuoso> You are welcome.

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20:19 <hellcode> Ijust made my first nontrivial ruby script

20:19 * hellcode feels good

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20:19 <shevy> did you write a class for that

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20:19 <hellcode> two

20:19 <hellcode> three classes

20:20 <hellcode> they could've been objects tho

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20:25 * postapocallyptic <3 ruby

20:26 <dminuoso> hellcode: Classes are objects!

20:26 <dminuoso> hellcode: ;-)

20:26 <dminuoso> Either way, you created objects! :-)

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20:29 <hellcode> (:

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20:30 <hellcode> fair enough

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20:31 <dminuoso> hellcode: For all intends and purposes everything in Ruby is an object, consider this to be a base paradigm of the language.

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20:36 <hellcode> it's actually one of the best things in the language imo

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20:40 <shevy> classes are one (good) way to arrange and in particular re-use code

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20:57 <hellcode> I was more used to the functional way

20:57 <hellcode> but it's not tooo different once you get used to it

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21:05 <buylowsellhigh> how do I handle socket connection exceptions after a connection has been established

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21:16 <jhass> rescue?

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21:17 <buylowsellhigh> I connect to the socket, begin rescue end, and then run the socket related code in another begin rescue end block, to ensure there are no errors?

21:18 <dminuoso> buylowsellhigh: First, don't use catch all rescue.

21:18 <dminuoso> It is very bad style.

21:18 <dminuoso> Be explicit about what kind of exceptions you expect.

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21:27 <jhass> "to ensure there are no errors" is not well worded, rescue doesn't not prevent errors from happening, it just gives you a chance to handle them instead of crashing your program

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21:36 <hellcode> >> []

21:36 <ruby[bot]> hellcode: # => [] (https://eval.in/604275)

21:36 <hellcode> >> system("uname")

21:36 <ruby[bot]> hellcode: # => (https://eval.in/604276)

21:36 <hellcode> bot not safe ?

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21:38 <hellcode> >> system("pwd")

21:38 <ruby[bot]> hellcode: # => (https://eval.in/604279)

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21:39 <hellcode> oh I see. cool, it's quite safe

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21:39 <Papierkorb> If that'd be the only attack possible Oo

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21:39 <foul_owl> Hi folks. If there is a webrick process running on a server, is there a command I can run to see the path to the code that webrick is serving?

21:39 <foul_owl> (os is linux)

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21:40 <hellcode> Papierkorb: okay maybe it's not too safe but the owner did not neglect that aspect

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21:41 <Papierkorb> hellcode: it should be quite safe. Else the owner probably wouldn't make a web service out of it.

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21:41 <Papierkorb> Or, if it wouldn't be, it'd be constantly owned.

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21:42 <hellcode> yeah I can imagine

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21:43 <Mon_Ouie> It runs in a ptrace sandbox to restrict the system calls you can run

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21:53 <eam> >> File.read("/proc/self/exe", 4)[1,3]

21:53 <ruby[bot]> eam: # => "ELF" (https://eval.in/604310)

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21:55 <al2o3-cr> File.read("/proc/self/exe", 3, 1)

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22:01 <eam> al2o3-cr: tru

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22:02 <al2o3-cr> :p

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22:12 <dennisvennink> Is it possible to get the name of the parent's process in a Ruby script?

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22:13 <workmad3> dennisvennink: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Process.html#method-c-ppid you can get the parent pid

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22:15 <dennisvennink> workmad3: Thanks.

22:16 <dennisvennink> I guess I could use the shell to get the name from that pid.

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22:17 <workmad3> dennisvennink: there should be a way with the Process class to get that too, I guess

22:17 <ramfjord> how to I convert a unix time in seconds since epoch to a GMT timestamp if my default timezone is something else?

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22:19 <ramfjord> nm, my question doens't make sense. If I had a quarter for every hour I spent dealing with timezone issues between my local system, my local test dabase, staging database, prod system time, prod database timezone...

22:20 <ramfjord> I'd have not much more money than I already hav

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22:21 <al2o3-cr> dennisvennink: you could use, File.read("/proc/#{Process.ppid}/cmdline")

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22:23 <dennisvennink> al2o3-cr: I'm on macOS. I don't think it has a /proc directory.

22:24 <al2o3-cr> i should stop assuming

22:25 <al2o3-cr> scrap that then

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22:25 <dennisvennink> al2o3-cr: Thanks though. :—)

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22:28 <havenwood> dennisvennink: maybe something like: `ps -o comm= #{Process.ppid}`.chomp

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22:30 <dennisvennink> havenwood: That works. :—)

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22:30 <havenwood> dennisvennink: or maybe ucomm is slightbly better?: `ps -o ucomm= #{Process.ppid}`.chomp

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22:31 <ramfjord> >> Time.at(Time.utc('2015-12-1')).utc

22:31 <ruby[bot]> ramfjord: # => 2015-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (https://eval.in/604322)

22:31 <ramfjord> wat

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22:31 <dennisvennink> havenwood: Indeed. First one returns a file path, second returns just the name. Cheers.

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22:33 <ramfjord> >> '2015-12-1'.to_i

22:33 <ruby[bot]> ramfjord: # => 2015 (https://eval.in/604324)

22:34 <ramfjord> ah

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22:44 <agent_white> whoa

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23:53 <shevy> hmmm

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23:54 <shevy> does anyone know of some ruby scripts that work in a very simple manner, and tell you which specific file/class in any given ruby gem/project may be "slow"? that is, say you have 100 .rb files, one class each, some perform only a few tasks, others perform more. I sorta want to have a group-specific way to analyze which file or which files is/are the bottleneck

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