<pipework>
Returns true if obj is between the begin and end of the range.\n This tests begin <= obj <= end when exclude_end? is false and begin <= obj < end when exclude_end? is true.
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<pipework>
Ox0dea: I'd have to look into the actual implementation to see whether #include? would be safe for extremely large ranges.
<pipework>
I think for integers, it's optimized.
<pipework>
But in general, I prefer cover? for ranges that might not have optimized codepaths for certain objects.
<BraddPitt>
w 4
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<Ox0dea>
BraddPitt: What's so special about Window 4?
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<pipework>
Maybe it's an optimization of thumb and index finger switching if they had keyboard shortcuts.
<Ox0dea>
pipework: You posted Array's #include? documentation, not Range's, mind.
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<pipework>
Ah you're right, Dash forgot that I was scoped to Range the first time I looked.
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<pipework>
Returns true if obj is an element of the range, false otherwise. If begin and end are numeric, comparison is done according to the magnitude of the values.
<BraddPitt>
can't tell you that, Ox0dea ;)
<Ox0dea>
BraddPitt: Gross.
<Ox0dea>
pipework: In any case, case equality is defined in terms of #include? for Ranges.
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<Ox0dea>
ght: You asked if you could do `x == 1..3`; you can get pretty close:
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<Guest50518>
is there nothing like module_function for a class?
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: Classes are modules.
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<Guest50518>
yes but apparently module_function not available in classes
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<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: Could you clarify why you think you need "class_function"?
<Guest50518>
well I'm just playing around but stead of `def self.meth` for all the methods or having to use `class << self; ...` to wrap the whole thing I was curious if there is something like module_function
<Ox0dea>
Fair enough. There isn't such a thing, to my knowledge.
<Ox0dea>
`module_function': module_function must be called for modules (TypeError)
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<Ox0dea>
They knew we'd try that.
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<Guest50518>
heh trying to find the implementation fo it
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<Guest50518>
rb_mod_modfunc
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<Ox0dea>
It's not as simple as you might've expected.
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<Ox0dea>
Well, in the nonary case, it just invokes rb_scope_module_func_set(), so that's the function you'll want to look into.
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<Ox0dea>
Still, it's setting members of an internal struct, so you won't be able to perfectly emulate it from Ruby.
<Guest50518>
maybe there is a callback to listen for a method being defined and you could simply then copy it into the class
<Ox0dea>
Ew.
<Guest50518>
:]
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<Guest50518>
i guess you could delete the instance method at that point too if that makes you feel better?
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<Ox0dea>
There is Class#method_added if you really want to go to such extremes.
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<[k->
Ox0dea! I missed you!
<Ox0dea>
[k-! I missed you too.
<[k->
where did you go?
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<Ox0dea>
Saudi Arabia.
<[k->
:o
<[k->
that's pretty far from where you live
<Ox0dea>
In more ways than one.
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<[k->
i see what you did there
<Guest50518>
Ox0dea: stack level too deep which makes sense :]
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: Nah, you explicitly opened the singleton class, I think?
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<Ox0dea>
`def self.foo` doesn't open a new "scope gate", so to speak, whereas `class << self` does.
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<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: I can't think how to do it without defining the class methods in terms of the instance methods, which means they can't be removed. :/
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<Guest50518>
yea I'm having issues trying to use method_added, define_method, instance_method
<Guest50518>
Ox0dea: so i changed your define_singleton_method to just define_method and it works too? part of me was thinking that it would be equivalent anyway?
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<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: Which? There are two.
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<Guest50518>
just the outer one
<Guest50518>
oh wait now it says undefined not private
<ruboto>
Ox0dea # => #<TypeError: bind argument must be an instance of Hash> (https://eval.in/442641)
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<Ox0dea>
Instances of Hash can sensibly respond to #keys, but Hash itself cannot.
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<Ox0dea>
Ruby doesn't even let you bind such nonsensicalities, let alone invoke them.
<[k->
that's because of the instance variable required, the methods required, and the jungle and bananas needed
<Guest50518>
so it's failing trying to analyze the content of the method given the bind target?
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<Guest50518>
like i didn't expect it to be that smart?
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: #define_singleton_method with an UnboundMethod attempts to bind the latter.
<Guest50518>
hm but our simple example method isn't calling any instance vars or anything else...
<Ox0dea>
[k- was being adorably unhelpful.
<Guest50518>
heh
<Guest50518>
confused by what you mean by, "attempts to bind the latter"
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: What do you think `Hash.keys` would return if it existed?
<Guest50518>
Can't change the value of self self = class << self; self; end
<Guest50518>
heh it was worth a short
<Guest50518>
shot*
<Ox0dea>
But `class << self` does change the value of `self` (to the caller's singleton class).
<Guest50518>
well i don't think Hash.keys matters because it's a dynamic / interpreted (even byte code wise) language so I imagine that methods are invoked with `self` pointing to a given object and if it fails at runtime it fails...
<Guest50518>
yea i was trying to grab the singleton and redefine the current self
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<Ox0dea>
I give you heaps of credit for being an explorer, but you might've been better off staying on the trail a bit longer. :x
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<Guest50518>
lol? well I have been using ruby go on 10 years now... this is just something that annoyed me at various points in past
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<Ox0dea>
I wouldn't've said that had you not demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of `self` in Ruby.
<Ox0dea>
I apologize for any offense taken, in any case.
<Guest50518>
like in js for instance i can easily just o.send(meth,args) right... `this` gets bound while it executes and there isn't much else to it I thought
<Guest50518>
well i mean you can use a language for a long time and now try to pry it apart like this :]
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<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: You used #send with an explicit receiver there, in which case `self` is largely irrelevant.
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<Ox0dea>
JavaScript's `this` is much less sane than Ruby's `self`.
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<Ox0dea>
Method dispatch in Ruby is almost completely regular, which is no small feat given the depth of its object system.
<baweaver>
I always want to say this is garbage, but I can never remember what this is
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<Guest50518>
I guess it's apply() been a while... (function(){ return this.x; }).apply({ x: 5 }) // 5
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<Ox0dea>
Right, we have to more explicitly bind in Ruby, but that's arguably for the better.
<Guest50518>
Ox0dea: your just saying that ruby actually analyze the function body to try and link the method calls and other details?
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<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: Yes, some bookkeeping takes place immediately at the invocation of, say, #define_singleton_method.
<Guest50518>
yea but in the example I had my method literally just returned 5... it's not doing anything that couldn't work
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<[k->
unless the property x didn't exist
<Ox0dea>
Ruby doesn't need to look into the method body to determine that you're doing something wonky.
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<Ox0dea>
It would be very strange if it did.
<Ox0dea>
Outside of some weird Platonic ideal, a class is not its instances.
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<Ox0dea>
I realize that's sort of what we're trying to finagle Ruby into believing for wanting #class_function, but the point remains.
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<[k->
you can't pluck a gorilla out of a jungle without bringing the jungle and bananas too
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<Guest50518>
yea happens if I try to use that technique to copy a method from one class to another
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: And for the very same reason.
<Guest50518>
I guess you could use one of those decompile/recompile tricks
<Guest50518>
yea i was just testing
<Guest50518>
to prove that would happen
<Ox0dea>
Guest50518: RubyVM::InstructionSequence#load is disabled at present. :(
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<Ox0dea>
They'd just have to uncomment the line.
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<Guest50518>
hm strange?
<Ox0dea>
"No verifier".
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<Ox0dea>
This language used to let us play with scissors.
<Guest50518>
i thought there was those sexpression dump/loaders
<Ox0dea>
Aye, there's RubyVM::InstructionSequence#to_a for dumping.
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<certainty>
it used to be the first compiler that actually used that technique
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<certainty>
shevy: felix (the creator of CHICKEN) had a plastic toy of Feathers McGraw on his desk when he thought of a working title for the compiler.
<certainty>
so :)
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<Ox0dea>
Guile is just a pun on "scheme", but it's not terrible.
<Ox0dea>
Not as good as Racket, admittedly.
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<shevy>
those all caps freaks me out
<shevy>
someone tell FELIX this
<Ox0dea>
It's disgusting.
<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
certainty hah I heard that explanation before
<Ox0dea>
Common Lisp symbols are case-insensitive!
<Couch>
What's a good library for calling rest style json api's ?
<shevy>
someone picked a nick after toothpaste
<shevy>
because it was nearby at the time of when a name had to be picked
<spotted>
the first part of the ternary is the condition
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<Ox0dea>
spotted: Because it is printing in either case.
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<Ox0dea>
If the conditional is true, it's printing the balance, and if it's not, the string in `pin_error` is displayed instead.
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<Ox0dea>
The way you've rewritten it, `pin_error` is being called, but you're not printing its return value.
<spotted>
Ox0dea, doesn't the return in the function print the result when the function is called, in this case a string with an error?
<Ox0dea>
spotted: No, not unless you explicitly tell it to do so.
<spotted>
Ok so it just returns a value that I have to either print or store in a variable eventually
<Ox0dea>
That's right.
<spotted>
Now I got it clear, thanks. :)
<Ox0dea>
Happy to help.
<spotted>
I am gonna stay on Ruby until everything is clear before to go to ROR which is what I need
<Ox0dea>
> everything is clear
<Ox0dea>
Tall order, that.
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<spotted>
Well, at least the basics... :))
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<Ox0dea>
Aye, I took your point. :) It certainly makes sense to learn to walk before you run.
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<Ox0dea>
Deviad: I've said it before, but this is what happens if you try to learn Rails before you've got a solid Ruby foundation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRqGmmCy8aU
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<Deviad>
Ox0dea, maybe instead of redoing all the course on Codecademy I should make the exercises on "Learn Ruby the hard way"
<Deviad>
A book with exercises
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<Ox0dea>
I think it's lacking in a few places, but if you take the time to really understand why you got the okay instead of racing to the top of the mountain, you'll come out primed to start piling on the details.
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<Deviad>
Ox0dea, thanks, I will install it on my VM with Ubuntu
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<Ox0dea>
Deviad: There's an online facsimile, if you'd prefer: http://rubykoans.com/
<Ox0dea>
But you shouldn't.
<Ox0dea>
Running it locally is more likely to get you addicted to red-green-refactor.
<Deviad>
Ox0dea, it's funny that here in Romania I did not find any programmer that wants to switch from PHP to Ruby for some projects (I'm Italian).
<Deviad>
Ox0dea, as answers I got: Ruby is insecure, Ruy is slow...
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<Deviad>
So I went to exploit repositories and it came out that PHP actually has a few bugs discovered in 2015 and actually it has a few refactoring tools
<Deviad>
and Ruby has*
<adaedra>
Hi
<Ox0dea>
Deviad: It's true enough that PHP has gotten "better", for some definition.
<Deviad>
Ox0dea, I cannot either disagree or agree on that given my knowledge of PHP, but if then I have to learn also Laravel and have twice the code I have with Ruby for the same app
<Ox0dea>
That diatribe should help you make up your mind. :P
<Deviad>
me I prefer Ruby then... the more you have to write the more mistake you are likely to make
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<Deviad>
mistakes*
<Ox0dea>
A perfectly sensible view of the thing.
<Deviad>
Otherwise they would have not devised C once they devised Assembly...
<Ox0dea>
Well, you're talking about abstraction more than lines of code.
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<Deviad>
Also, ruby has keywords like unless that everyone can understand and it improves your readability so far I would not think about learning something else
<Ox0dea>
Deviad: There are many such features which make Ruby a pleasant language to program in, but mind you don't become a Blub programmer. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BlubParadox
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
<Ox0dea>
That said, Ruby is objectively the greatest programming language ever devised.
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<Deviad>
Ox0dea, once my 10' is over, I am instaling koans. :))
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<Ox0dea>
Yay!
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<agent_white>
Ox0dea: +1 for Blub. Never seen that before!
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<certainty>
agent_white: check out paul graham on that topic
<agent_white>
certainty: Ah no worries! You knowing it reinforces the fact it's a fairly important read :D
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<certainty>
agent_white: it has some good points but of course is quite biased
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<spotted>
I just realized that in codecademy there is no mention to try catch kind of syntax
<adaedra>
there's no "try" keyword, it's done with "begin ... rescue ... end" in ruby
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<bnagy>
ruby has do, or do not. There is no try.
<adaedra>
ssh, no try, only raise now.
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<certainty>
spotted: probably throw and catch?
<certainty>
that exists
<certainty>
it allows you to have non local exits. Much like invoking continuations
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<certainty>
shevy: matz mentions a quote from dave thomas that programming is the process of designing your own dsl. Turns out that's a core idea of lisp. Adding utilities that enrich the language so that you can express what you want to express in order to solve your problem
<spotted>
adaedra: I was thinking about other exceptions, for example a user types a phone number in the wrong format
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<spotted>
I had a look at throw and catch, it's like when a compiler finds an error, in an exam I was supposed to create a parser that did not stop at the first error
<adaedra>
If it raises an exception, you catch it with rescue
<spotted>
adaedra: OK, so begin and rescue are the tools in that case
<adaedra>
You can restrict the exception you catch in rescue, i.e. `rescue MyApplication::FuckingUserIsNotCapableOfEnteringASimpleTelephoneNumber`
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<zenspider>
colorisco: the file doesn't exist. either make it exist or load the file that does
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<colorisco>
which file?
<zenspider>
colorisco: what does the error say?
<colorisco>
i installed ruby and padrino and didn't change
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<colorisco>
any file
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<zenspider>
question for the channel: do you consider yourself a hacker (old school definition, not media def) and why?
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<zenspider>
colorisco: no, the error doesn't say that
<herbst>
zenspider: i do, because pretty much my whole free time is spent on geeky random technical projects
<atmosx>
zenspider: absolutely not.
<bnagy>
zenspider: yes
<zenspider>
herbst: examples of said projects and motivations pls
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<zenspider>
bnagy: go on
<zenspider>
atmosx: absolutely not what? and why?
<bnagy>
because my full time job for the last X years has been software vulnerability research
<bnagy>
so pretty squarely in the definition :P
<zenspider>
mmmm... maybe I should start over with "what is your definition of hacker"?
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<certainty>
zenspider: yes. I'm constantly looking to expand my knowledge and working with people to actively share it. I'm striving for excellence. (i'm considering somewhat akin to the MIT hacker culture here)
<herbst>
zenspider: from websites/services to "drivers" whatever comes to my mind. Like i found a LED strip cheap, so i bought it, wrote a custom driver in ruby and now have my custom led strip
<herbst>
if thats not hacking, i have no idea what is
<bnagy>
it's funny, the 90s definition was more or less either way
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<bnagy>
unexpected programming / actual (what's now called) hacking
<zenspider>
certainty: MIT is the basis of my definition too.
<bnagy>
the people writing breathless defences of the term gave up like 25 years ago
<bnagy>
there's also quite a lot of hacking involved in hacking, as it were
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<atmosx>
zenspider: Yeah, I know. But that's what I call a hacker :-)
<zenspider>
fair
<bnagy>
for researchers, anyway. Lots of gnarly code to write to do weird stuff.
<zenspider>
*nod*
<agent_white>
I've heard "hacking" as "scrapping shit together" lately... I still think it means 'modifying something to do unintended things'.
<certainty>
zenspider: may I know why you ask?
<zenspider>
working on a talk
<certainty>
what will it be about?
<zenspider>
that's a damn good question.
<zenspider>
the title is "mind of a hacker"... the actual outline? fuck if I know at this point
<certainty>
:)
<adaedra>
agent_white: lately?
<agent_white>
Sounds like you had a goal in mind if you're asking the audience if they think they're a hacker.
<certainty>
zenspider: but that's a central point. being a hacker is a mindset. It's most of the time associated with tech stuff but it needs not, as you know
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<agent_white>
adaedra: As in the past few years or so. 'Weekend hack' or 'hacked together' are the phrases I've heard.
<certainty>
that's why i don't like those "you're a hacker if you know x,y" stuff
<funkenstrahlen>
jhass: /close
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<adaedra>
ok
<zenspider>
bnagy: hah! that's... well that's horrible. :) I guess mov is the nand/nor of the compiler world
<certainty>
i guess many of the early hackers beside making hacks for the first computers had visions. They recognized what's lacking and found a way to provide it in a smart way
<certainty>
rms for example
<bnagy>
I think they followed up with compilers for XOR and SUB
<certainty>
or wozniak
<zenspider>
"The M/o/Vfuscator contains a complete mov-only floating point emulator." jesus ... wow
<bnagy>
loaaads of hax in early unix
<bnagy>
resource constraints will do that when you're inventing compilers
<certainty>
rms also notes that being playful with your solutions to difficult tasks is somewhat characteristic
<certainty>
anyway back to work :)
<bnagy>
it might be reasonable to say that hacking is about making something do something it's not really supposed to do
<zenspider>
certainty: thanks
<certainty>
bnagy: yeah that's a good point
<certainty>
zenspider: yw
<bnagy>
which works just as well for hacking in the security sense
<zenspider>
bnagy: yeah. I like that
<agent_white>
certainty: I dunno. Is that being a 'hacker'? Filling a need?
<agent_white>
Or is that just programming?
<zenspider>
also: understanding systems you're not meant to understand... etc
<agent_white>
Or... /shrug
<Deviad>
Is it possible to use retry after rescue a defined number of times, let's say 3?
<bnagy>
Deviad: just use a counter in the rescue block
<atmosx>
zenspider: if I may ask, what kind of audience do you expect to face in this talk?
<atmosx>
zenspider: ruby conf?
<zenspider>
Deviad: don't understand your question... "defined" a number of times?
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<zenspider>
atmosx: LA ruby conf
<Deviad>
zenspider, I read that retry loops infinitely
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<Deviad>
until the user takes proper action
<agent_white>
Aye, that's what I said. Modifying/manipulating a system to produce unintended results... aka, the de-facto example of the cap'n crunch whistle.
<certainty>
agent_white: nope, i was unclear about that. It's about seeing that something doesn't provide what you want and make it possible
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<Deviad>
but let's say I want to use this to let the user input his credit card number, normally he has got 3 tries
<bnagy>
atmosx: for some definition of "know" yeah
<atmosx>
bnagy: really? heh
<Deviad>
atmosx, thank you!
<atmosx>
Deviad: :-)
<zenspider>
ah ah ah... right. thanks.
<zenspider>
my dad supposedly went to college with someone of the same caliber. timeframes match up pretty well too
<agent_white>
Blow a cereal box whistle into a phone, initiate a new trunk... cool stuff.
<bnagy>
opinions of his technical haxxing abilities (apart from the whistle) vary
<bnagy>
but then again he was a contemporary (and once at least acquaintance) of woz
<atmosx>
zenspider: but anyway, don't go *there* IMHO, since we're talking mainly about programmers, they will have a definition of hacker much closer to ESR (know more than 2 programming paradigms, invovled with open source, technically flawless on some fields, etc.).
<agent_white>
Aye I bet. Like I said, he said he learned about it from 'the blind kids'. So he probably just ended up being the face of it all for whatever reason.
<certainty>
the reversing community is a good example of hackers
<certainty>
reverers
<bnagy>
I don't think I can get behind a definition of hacking / hacker that is based on what you know
<certainty>
ok i need to become a hacker at english
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<certainty>
reversers
<marahin>
;-)
<bnagy>
but I certainly think 'hackers' have things in common about approach / attitude etc
<bnagy>
it's certainly not book larnin
<agent_white>
Or the BGP hack... shit, definition of 'hacking'. They used the BGP protocol as programmed, without modifications, to encur undesired consequences.
<agent_white>
s/programmed/defined/
<atmosx>
IMHO it's a kind of "honor" that others should give t you. Going around saying "I'm a hacker" is ridiculous IMHO.
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<agent_white>
^
<certainty>
i don't think that's necessarily true. But it certainly doesn't make you a hacker just by saying you are
<bnagy>
I self identify as a hacker. Your argument is invalid.
<agent_white>
_why's freakyfreaky sandbox also was a badass 'hack'. Redefining ruby internals/symtables/etc to make a sandbox? Kewl stuff.
<bnagy>
it's >20 years to late to untangle 'hacking' from a security connotation
<atmosx>
bnagy: well, you might be one. I don't know, I'm not familiar with your resume.
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<zenspider>
atmosx: there seems little H about your IMHO declarations
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<bnagy>
I don't feel like it's _limited_ to security stuff, by any means
<zenspider>
bnagy: of course not. but there is probably selection bias in that subfield
<bnagy>
but I also don't feel like choosing the flight that has the most miles make you a travel hacker or whatever
<agent_white>
bnagy: Aye. Very rhetorical.
<zenspider>
haha
<zenspider>
I'm the worst travel hacker ever then
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<agent_white>
zenspider: What's the aim for your talk, anyways?
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<zenspider>
bnagy: I am trying to come at this from the "approach / attitude" perspective. at least mine. not the history of or notable hackers or whatnot.
<zenspider>
agent_white: to educate and/or entertain for 30-45 minutes
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<agent_white>
zenspider: Haha fair enough!
<atmosx>
zenspider: can you identify 5 ppl that would you call 'hackers'? WIthout taking any kind of pointer for this discussion. Actually before this talk?
<bnagy>
hackers I know of either stripe are self-directed, tend towards individualism, often maybe a bit obsessive, and favour results over form
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<herbst>
RMS, Torvalds, early Gates, Jobs & Woznark. Those are classic hackers IMHO
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<zenspider>
atmosx: I believe we're done. I don't find any of your dialog to be constructive and you've already said you don't have a dog in this fight, so I don't see the point of it.
<certainty>
jobs?
<certainty>
i don't know
<agent_white>
Jobs no way.
<atmosx>
zenspider: ok
<herbst>
notice the "early". He wasnt a code hacker tho, but for sure a mind hacker
<herbst>
i am no fan of apple myself
<bnagy>
I don't think iconic programmers are the best examples of hackers.
<zenspider>
mind. hacker. so... david copperfield ?
<bnagy>
I mean writing an OS for fun is not _not_ hacking, sure
<herbst>
with mind i rather ment: marketing, design, feelings. he was good at that shit
<certainty>
hmm i somewhat associate ethic with hackers
<certainty>
i know that term is very fuzzy
<certainty>
but jobs, well
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<bnagy>
probably a certain degree of anti-authoritarianism has been fairly central to 'hacking / hackers' in all sense
<bnagy>
s
<agent_white>
^
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<zenspider>
F.A.Q: Q: Why did you make this? A: I thought it would be funny.
<zenspider>
from movfuscator
<agent_white>
In the simplest forms... http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0334.html -- "how to be an anarchist at 7-11" -- "... stir your slurpee... you'll notice a cylindrical hole in the slurpee... core out the center multiple times and refill for max slurpee potential"
<certainty>
agent_white: haha haven't heard of them in a while. What was is back orifice?
<agent_white>
certainty: Yup, same dudes who did back orifice :)
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<certainty>
i loved that when i was young
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<certainty>
that's also when i was doing crackmes all night
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<Porfa>
i have a problem in a loop… my loop creates an element, and fills in data from array, but these elements are named in a sequence (f04_0001, f04_0002, f04_0003 and so on..)
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<Porfa>
the thing is, my loop can't fil the data to the element f04_0010, because my loop is saying to fill it to "f04_00010"
<zenspider>
Porfa: lemme guess... you're STILL doing strings and abusing eval?
<Porfa>
no no zenspider, i found the light
<zenspider>
prove it. show some code
<Porfa>
ok
<shevy>
hah :)
<shevy>
Porfa remember the [TIME STAMP] above? :>
<agent_white>
certainty: I was a hackthissite kid myself :P
<Porfa>
shevy: ahha ofcourse
<shevy>
<Porfa> and everything is working now as expected
<shevy>
<shevy> [TIME STAMP]
<shevy>
tada!
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<shevy>
Porfa you need to start to use methods
<shevy>
ensure that the method returns the desired result
<shevy>
such as the incrementing string "f04_0010" "f04_0011" and like starting one "f04_0001"
<shevy>
once you put the stuff into a method, it will be easier, since all you have to do is change your method if you need a change in the generating-pattern
<zenspider>
none of that makes any sense to me. all sorts of things that are confusing as fuck
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<Porfa>
i guess i'll just limit the loop to 10 then
<[k->
* sighs *
<shevy>
lol
<[k->
do you not read?
<shevy>
Porfa quit being a noob man, ACCEPT THE CHALLENGES, IMPROVE THE CODE
<[k->
the problem is, f04_000 is hardcoded
<[k->
when ruby increments it, it just tacks it to the end
<zenspider>
making an array of numbers from 1 to N, enumerating w/ each_with_index so you can ALSO have 0 to N-1. generating strings of code using index+1 ... what. the. fuck.
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<shevy>
Porfa btw, if you want to use #{} in a string, you have to use "" not ''
<[k->
f04_000 + 1 = f04_0001
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<zenspider>
guys. the variable names don't matter
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<[k->
f04_000 + 10 = f04_00010
<zenspider>
the lack of clarity of goal here does
<adaedra>
[k-: it's a shame String#%'s documentation doesn't explain much.
<Porfa>
k- yeah
<[k->
yeah, so we have to check two links :(
<zenspider>
adaedra: sarcasm?
<Porfa>
zenspider: met, i was doing hello world 2 months ago, EVER.
<Porfa>
i was forced to learn how to use ruby to help my family company
<Porfa>
and i have been learning as i go, I'm a total newb but i am being able to help them out
<Porfa>
so I'm happy with that
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<adaedra>
zenspider: no. You have to go to Kernel::sprintf to have flags. So when you link to String#% doc, there's not too much.
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<zenspider>
adaedra: except explicit instruction pointing you at sprintf
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<zenspider>
seems like the bases are covered
<adaedra>
zenspider: I know
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<adaedra>
But that's another step!
<adaedra>
Such a waste of time!
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<zenspider>
I'm going to pretend there's sarcasm
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<Porfa>
they have been wasting massive amounts of time to manually open a product page from the supplier, copy paste every little info into our business back office, and then taking the images, resizing them, and uploading.. thanks to ruby i am able to do all of that in 2 minutes now, running "script.rb "url to site" from my terminal. i create products pretty fast this way.
<adaedra>
In the last ones, yes, there is.
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<[k->
Porfa, see String#succ (workmad3)
<Porfa>
ok
<Porfa>
i will google that hopefully i will get there
<adaedra>
zenspider: note that I completely understand why it's done this way and have no problem with the documentation itself. Just the two steps which are minor annoyances. No offences intended.
<Porfa>
just to read you saying that send shivers down my spine, wth is a method
<Porfa>
i shoulda have learned ruby with the masters when i was in GNAA 10 years ago
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<adaedra>
"wth is a method"
<adaedra>
this is ruby basics
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<shevy>
Porfa methods/functions are everywhere, it won't matter from where you pick it up so you need to start doing so
<shevy>
"installing `ruby2.0` results in ruby 1.9.3-p484 as default version"
<shevy>
hmmmm
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<Porfa>
if i read Learn to Program by Chris Pine, will i be better? i will read it 5 times in a row before touching any other book
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<Porfa>
i only got that ruby book, i got it like two weeks ago, but i've been so filled with this stupid scripts that i haven't got the time to pick it up
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<workmad3>
Porfa: have you considered that if you took the time to read that book, you'd probably be able to sort out your script in a tiny fraction of the time you've already taken?
<Porfa>
i know, but if i stop the business gets hit, I'm running out time to do my own stuff, and that own stuff isn't playing video games or drinking
<Porfa>
but i guess i have to find a way
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<workmad3>
Porfa: the business is getting hit anyway if you're spending way too long because you don't know the foundations
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<shevy>
you need to learn the basics
<shevy>
then you'll be allowed to grow a beard like workmad3
<shevy>
which will dignify you as a mighty hacker
<workmad3>
shevy: my beard isn't @ mighty hacker lengths yet
<workmad3>
more unix acolyte neckbeoard
<workmad3>
*neckbeard
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<tuor>
hi, what gem would you use for managing keepass databases? (I know there are multiple but which one do you recomend?)
<jhass>
adadada: that wouldn't work in regular code either
<adadada>
I don´t know what that means
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<jhass>
[k-: turn a step down, we're at basics of how the syntax for blocks looks like
<[k->
doesn't adaedra know?!
<jhass>
adadada: ".each |f|" do you write that in your regular code exactly like this too?
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<adadada>
no
<[k->
you need a do
<adaedra>
know what ?
<[k->
.each do |f|
<jhass>
adadada: so don't in erb
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<[k->
who is adadada
<adadada>
sure, yes
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<adadada>
I understand this
<[k->
what
<[k->
what
<[k->
adaedra adadada?!
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<adaedra>
What
<[k->
im confused
<adadada>
however it gets already a synax error in the code that is like the ruby code
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<certainty>
[k-: two different nicks
<[k->
i thought adadada was adaedea
<[k->
adaedra*
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<adaedra>
[k-: look at the hosts. I'm not in NL.
<[k->
no, i took mental shortcuts
<jhass>
adaedra: we can't see your screen
<jhass>
bah
<jhass>
adadada: ^
<[k->
i saw many as and many ds
<adaedra>
:D
<certainty>
told you it's going to be confusing
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<jhass>
you two are fucking up weechat's LRU
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<adaedada>
hello
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<certainty>
;)
<adaedada>
XD
<adadada>
omg lol
<adaedra>
.
<jhass>
I'll just kick two I guess
<adaedra>
maybe we can go back to ruby, instead of making fun of our nicks?
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<adadada>
ok wait a minute, I will show the ruby code I try to use in the template
<adadada>
or, maybe I can just write a method to retrieve my data and iterate over the output of hte method?
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<adadada>
maybe is better
<jhass>
it probably is
<jhass>
depends a bit on the context of all this
<adadada>
yesh it is capistrano deployment stuff
<`derpy>
I think it's better to keep operations in the erb at a minimum
<jhass>
no idea how to structure these cleanly then
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<adadada>
anyway, I will try what I just said I guess
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<`derpy>
[k-: don't you have colors in your IRC client to differentiate people?
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<adadada>
thanks for hte help anyway!
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<[k->
i do, that's why i was confused when there was another colour
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<[k->
that was how i found out adadada wasnt adaedra
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<odigity>
I just added bookmarks directly to all core and stdlib docs I might want to use in my broswer for convenience. Many, there is a ton of crap in there. I feel bad for the maintainers. I kind of wish they had used ruby 2 as an opportunity to kick out half of it (at least from core to stdlib).
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<odigity>
It was both eye-opening an educational. For example, did you know 3/2 == 1? But when you require 'mathn' (which I didn't know existed before this), then 2/3 == 3/2?
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<shevy>
[k- damn it, I thought it was adaedra
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<zomgbie>
I would love to chat with anybody trying to shoot for a microservice architecture who wants to be dependent on as few gems as possible. Is Sinatra still a good way to go about this or does a Rack based application really suffice?
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<zomgbie>
By suffice I mean still being practical... There is so much going on grape, volt (the whole opal stack is interesting from a UI perspective - i.e. building an API for a mobile app while still delivering a HTML based frontend)
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<zomgbie>
React.rb... too many choices.
<zomgbie>
(First world problems!:D)
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<zomgbie>
E.g. I always liked Rails :format json/html in controllers so that is something which speaks for Sinatra in my book... but I'm still undecided, supposedly you can (and should?) run Sinatra alongside grape (for REST api only)...
<johnzorn>
I'm writing a method for a class and would like to do something like this: collection.select(self.even?) is this possible or do I have to create a block?
<adaedra>
What are you trying to do, select even numbers in your collection?
<adaedra>
collection.select(&:even?) # may be what you look for
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<johnzorn>
no it's more like: possible_neighbours(cell).select(alive?)
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<johnzorn>
alive? being a method on the class
<zomgbie>
haha
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<adaedra>
johnzorn: so, as a block, .select { |e| e.alive? } ?
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<[k->
hmmmm
<Ox0dea>
johnzorn: For what it's worth, "possible_neighbours" is a wordy misnomer; they're all neighbors.
<Ox0dea>
Conway's Game of Life is secretly a graveyard.
<Ox0dea>
Cheap profundity is best profundity.
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<[k->
i bet i could repurpose grid to conway's game of life after i finish it
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<johnzorn>
Ox0dea: well the implementation I'm doing is a sparse implementation. So Board is just a set subclass with [x,y] pairs for the 'alive' cells and nothing more. possible_neighbours is given an x,y and returns all the [x,y]s around it not actually checking the board. I was using that in my neighbours method which actually did check those possible_neighbors if they where alive
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<Ox0dea>
johnzorn: But how can a cell "possibly" neighbor another cell?
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<Darkwater>
easily
<Darkwater>
the 'possibly' is just redundant
<Ox0dea>
Mind we're discussing a cellular automaton.
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<Ox0dea>
Darkwater: Which information is being unnecessarily duplicated?
<johnzorn>
ok so possibly_alive_neighbours was what I meant
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<johnzorn>
ok surrounding_cells then
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<Ox0dea>
So... neighbors?
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<johnzorn>
Ox0dea: in my head neighbours are the surrounding cells that are alive. I guess I'm thinking in terms of something is there or isn't and that's causing confusion
<Ox0dea>
johnzorn: Yes, that does seem to be the case.
<Ox0dea>
Refer to my graveyard joke from earlier.
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<Ox0dea>
It's sensible enough to use "dead" and "alive" to disambiguate.
<ruby-lang123>
register passwd
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<Ox0dea>
Well done.
<jhass>
ruby-lang123: poor choice
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<Ox0dea>
johnzorn: If I understand correctly, you're using an O(n) approach to determine live neighbors where an O(1) is available.
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<Ox0dea>
Iterating over every single pair to find live neighbors is a little silly. :x
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<Ox0dea>
Sure, you've got a sparse representation, but at what cost?
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<Ox0dea>
Use Hash with a default to get the best of both worlds.
<[k->
at least it is better than O(n^2) :(
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<[k->
?ot karapetyan
<ruboto>
karapetyan, this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
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<Ox0dea>
He doesn't usually spam.
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<[k->
i wouldn't have directed him to ?ot otherwise
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<shevy>
certainty one thing I like about the matz talk was that he explained why the "did you mean this" gem was added
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<Ox0dea>
Because Ruby is severely lacking in the discoverability department.
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<shevy>
it's the man-machine interface as matz explained!
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<shevy>
do you people sometimes approach your own code as being able to evolve on its own?
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<KinderSpiel>
hey ruby-lang744
<KinderSpiel>
word
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<ruby-lang744>
Hi KinderSpiel
<shevy>
german nicks!
<KinderSpiel>
lol
<KinderSpiel>
I used it a long time ago, maybe I’ll get back to it
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<KinderSpiel>
you in germany shevy?
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<ruby-lang744>
What I'm asking is probably trivial. I'm fetching JSON and putting them into an array of hashes. The hashes have a key "type" and a selection of values. How can I filter, before I'm putting anything in the array, for the "type" value?
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<ruby-lang744>
let's say there are four key values that should pass, all the others should fail and not be put into the array
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<shevy>
KinderSpiel austria
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<shevy>
but #ruby is full of german nicks... Papierkorb ... flughafen (ok he is not here right now) ... platzhirsch ... in the past also brotspinne
<adaedra>
Aren't KinderSpiel forbidden in the US now?
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<phreakocious>
does it seem reasonable that spawning 200 ruby processes is faster than 200 threads for doing the same work? the only mutex locked activity is pushing items into an array..
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<jhass>
phreakocious: on MRI if your operations are not IO bound, yes
<jhass>
consider JRuby perhaps
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<phreakocious>
it's all just sending/receiving UDP packets
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<jhass>
well, the sending never blocks I guess
<KinderSpiel>
adaedra that was something else i think
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<KinderSpiel>
some child candy
<KinderSpiel>
off to the rails room, see ya
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<Ox0dea>
adaedra: Did you mean "KinderSurprise"?
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<adaedra>
Ox0dea: well, iirc it was the toy that was problematic.
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<Ox0dea>
What a world.
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<ruby-lang744>
hm. Is there a ruby help channel, by any chance?
<adaedra>
just here
<ruby-lang744>
I see. Then here it is again:
<ruby-lang744>
What I'm asking is probably trivial. I'm fetching JSON and putting them into an array of hashes. The hashes have a key "type" and a selection of values. How can I filter, before I'm putting anything in the array, for the "type" value?
<shevy>
man
<adaedra>
shevy: ?
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<adaedra>
ruby-lang744: use Enumerable#select on your hash
* ruby-lang744
whistles "the long and winding road"
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang744: I've brought you a delicious snack.
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<ruby-lang744>
those are nice libraries, though entirely unneccessary... I could code a JSON parser in Fortran alright. It's the HTTP/HTTPS connectivity that I've never done
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<ruby-lang744>
and I read somewhere that ruby can be learned in 30 minutes. So far I'm clocking 31 hours...
<Ox0dea>
I'll get the violin.
<adaedra>
can != will
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<adaedra>
And I don't think a language can be learned in 30 minutes.
<shevy>
ruby-lang744 hey can I look at your github page?
<Ox0dea>
loincloth: Where'd you catch it?
<loincloth>
some assumptions are made of course... that 'temp' is some JSON as a string... that 'array' is an array :D
<ruby-lang744>
well, should I make one, shevy?
<shevy>
ruby-lang744 come on, I want to peek at your stuff
<loincloth>
Ox0dea: where'd i catch whut
<ruby-lang744>
now that's just 18+...
<Ox0dea>
loincloth: That fish you gave ruby-lang744.
<loincloth>
i see what you did there
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<teslax>
What is an "assertion"?
<shevy>
a gateway attack
<jhass>
teslax: any context? minitest?
<Ox0dea>
teslax: A testament to the truth or falsity of some statement.
<loincloth>
i guess i decided a few lines showing some new stuff would be easier on everyone than a more abstract lesson
<teslax>
jhass: Yeah in unit testing.
<loincloth>
i'm all for teaching in the big picture, tho
<loincloth>
but you can learn through snippets, too
<jhass>
teslax: a test that some expression is (usually) truthy
<Ox0dea>
loincloth: But then whence the time-honored adage in the first place?
<loincloth>
i started by just saying 'whitelist' tho... which only implied some things, etc.
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<shmilan>
teslax: check out the ruby doc for Test::Unit:Assertions
<shmilan>
They're pretty easy to understand
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<jhass>
teslax: say you want to test that 1 + 2 is 2, assert 1+1 == 2, "1+1 wasn't 2"
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<Ox0dea>
Needs more confusing.
<jhass>
and then see ^ for less boilerplate and convenience wrappers around that
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<teslax>
And I was wondering...I am just starting to learn about unit testing... how do the tests get executed automatically when a class inherits from Test::Unit::TestCase ?
<Ox0dea>
teslax: at_exit.
<jhass>
and def self.inherited I supposed
<jhass>
in short Ruby provides some hooks that makes it possible
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<teslax>
where is test/unit normall stored? I want to look at the code
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<teslax>
normally*
<ruby-lang744>
c:\Users\<username>\Documents\<ruby script folder> is where it is stored
<jhass>
teslax: run gem which test/unit on your shell
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<loincloth>
ooh fancy
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<Silicium>
hi there
<Ox0dea>
Heya.
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<Silicium>
i have a strange problem, i pass env vars vor heap configuration to passenger (successfully, i verified that) but ruby (2.0) still initially allocates 1500 heaps. i set the min_slots to 2000000, our app needs 1800000 objects, so it seems that ruby ignores the env vars. can i somehow verify the GC/Heap Settings?
<Silicium>
Ox0dea: stat does not show me the used configuration!
<Silicium>
it does show me the current state but not the configuration :(
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<Silicium>
`derpy: :(
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<adaedra>
Silicium: `derpy is only a bot.
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<teslax>
what's the difference between a postive assertion and a negative assertion?
<Ox0dea>
Prove it.
<Silicium>
herp. derp.
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<shevy>
hahaha
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<shevy>
adaedra oh is this a factoid about `derpy?
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<jhass>
teslax: a negative assertion is inverting the outcome of the condition prior evaluation, so assert_not foo == assert !foo
<adaedra>
shevy: would that make me a bot ?
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<shevy>
adaedra I just want to trigger it!
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<shevy>
?adaedra
<ruboto>
don't be mean to adaedra
<Silicium>
Ox0dea: prove what?
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<Ox0dea>
Prove that proving proves anything.
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<shevy>
Prove your existance!
<Silicium>
i proved the prove
<Silicium>
everything is probed until GC!
<Silicium>
s/probed/proved
<shevy>
GC is the big mighty cleaver
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<Silicium>
however, since do i have to attach strace to the ruby process to identify the GC settings or is there a "normal" way? can i somehow read the actual used settings from my application?
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<apeiros>
any troubles with osx 10.11 (el capitan) and rvm/brew?
<apeiros>
derp
* apeiros
googles :D
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<Ox0dea>
TIL apeiros doesn't read HN.
<adaedra>
apeiros: software can't write in /usr (except /usr/local) anymore.
<shevy>
come to linux man
<apeiros>
Ox0dea: indeed, I don't
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<Todd>
Brew didn't work when I first installed El Capitan (for things other than Ruby).
<apeiros>
adaedra: yeah, I guess SIP will cause trouble with brew wanting to chown /usr/local
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<Todd>
They didn't officially support it at the time.
<shevy>
as far as I know it can be re-enabled
<adaedra>
apeiros: iirc, this is not a problem.
<Todd>
Not sure if it's officially supported now, but it's working for what I need it for.
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<ruby-lang744>
how do I check if a key has a non-nil value in a hash? if hash["key"].nil?.! is the way to go?
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<apeiros>
ruby-lang744: note that non-nil value for key and key not existing are two different things
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<ruby-lang744>
yes well, there are cases when the key doesn't exist, or cases when it exists with a nil value, also cases when it exists but has a zero value. I want to exclude all three
<ruby-lang744>
that's three ifs in each other
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<Todd>
that doesn't sound like fun
<apeiros>
that sounds like it could use some rethinking ;-)
<Todd>
if he has control over the data.. sometimes you don't
<ruby-lang744>
why, doesn't Ruby short circuit eval?
<shevy>
people, ruby-lang744 has no problem. he also never showed any real code either.
<ruby-lang744>
shevy, why are you so desperate in seeing the actual code?
<shevy>
ruby-lang744 cuz you are so fake
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<ruby-lang744>
what does being fake mean here?
<shevy>
ruby-lang744 show code
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<apeiros>
come on shevy, stay gentle
<Ox0dea>
>> false && burn it down # ruby-lang744: Yes, it does.
<ruboto>
Ox0dea # => /tmp/execpad-0edac8e4c72e/source-0edac8e4c72e:2: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting key ...check link for more (https://eval.in/443068)
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<Ox0dea>
Dammit.
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<HotGirl89>
hi guys
<Ox0dea>
I don't see why that shouldn't've worked.
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<Ox0dea>
apeiros: Act now!
<shevy>
:D
<HotGirl89>
i have a very strange problem, withruby
<Ox0dea>
Liar.
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
wait... perhaps code will be shown
<apeiros>
what?
<Ox0dea>
apeiros: A wild troll has appeared.
<Todd>
omg.. I can't
<HotGirl89>
can i somehow see the actual used heap/gc settings?
<shevy>
oh dear
<Ox0dea>
Poor thing.
<shevy>
what is the "strange problem"?
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<HotGirl89>
stranger problem
<shevy>
yeah, it's very strange
<Todd>
HotGirl89: ##java :D
<Ox0dea>
HotGirl89 is Silicium from earlier attempting to employ the (regrettably effective) "girls get help" strategy.
<HotGirl89>
Todd: i can tell you how to do in java, but not in ruby!
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<Todd>
I made that assumption thus my reverse troll.
<shevy>
lol
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang744: Ruby does short-circuit, but conditional trees are unpleasant.
<apeiros>
Ox0dea: good to know. but not actually against any rules.
<HotGirl89>
Ox0dea: jesus, how did you noticed that!
<shevy>
Ox0dea has an advanced inbuilt troll detector... I would not have figured out that it was Silicium
<apeiros>
unless silicium was trolling
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<shevy>
you have too much faith in the good of humanity apeiros!
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang744: In this particular case, it's much more sensibe to filter on what you want than what you don't.
<Ox0dea>
`if hash["type"].present?`, perhaps.
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<apeiros>
shevy: well, if silicium didn't get help but hotgirl89 does, then it's not them being wrong but the people who didn't help before
<ruby-lang744>
Ox0dea, I think they aren't that bad. I can generally sight-read them to 3 levels' depth or so. Let's see this present?
<Ox0dea>
It's from ActiveSupport.
<Ox0dea>
It considers the empty string to be "falsy", which I assume is your zero value in this case.
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<shevy>
apeiros yeah, I did not know that HotGirl89 was Silicium before though :)
<ruby-lang744>
I worked as a cobol programmer for half a year, that was actually very fun
<centrx>
TIOBE is junk
<havenwood>
shevy: better to check the chicken bones
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<Todd>
I moved to a devops roll right before we switched our CMS to Java. Sad days those. :(
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<Todd>
Told my boss I "refuse to learn anything unnecessary for my job assignment" in relation to Java and he didn't disagree.
<ruby-lang744>
and if you were so hungry for code, shevy, then: if whitelist.include? hash["type"] # puts hash if hash["suffix_item_id"].present? puts hash if hash["suffix_item_id"]>0 item_data << hash puts hash end end elsif ["employee"].include? hash["type"] item_data << hash puts hash end
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<havenwood>
?gist ruby-lang744
<ruboto>
ruby-lang744, https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
<Ox0dea>
I like the part where #include? was called on a single-element Array.
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<Todd>
ruby-lang744: the body message would throw an exception.. so, yeah
<jhass>
I don't think http throws any exception beyond the IO ones?
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<Todd>
body would throw an exception for non-200 responses
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<ruby-lang744>
well, that's just fine then
<Todd>
Net::HTTP doesn't follow redirects by default
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<ruby-lang744>
and I need no redirects either
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<ruby-lang744>
now I was told to load this active-support thing, but the program crashes on it with LoadError... another package to install, I take?
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<Todd>
gem install would install all dependencies required in the active_support gemspec
<teslax>
When running the following test: "ruby -I path/to/app/lib path/to/app/test/test_roman.rb" what does the "-I" option do? http://ctrlv.it/id/2404/3838671279
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<Ox0dea>
teslax: It adds that directory to the load path.
<Todd>
so.. you should never have to install any other gem unless the original gem's gemspec has a bug in it
<teslax>
0x0dea: It adds it inside test_roman.rb ?
<Todd>
native gems are special cases.. they are compiled and require libs
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<Todd>
I need a smoke. brb
<Ox0dea>
teslax: The -I flag is supposed to be given a directory argument, not a file.
<odigity>
How can I print a list of all packages that have been 'require'-ed?
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<Ox0dea>
odigity: $LOADED_FEATURES should do.
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<teslax>
0x0dea: So it adds the lib directory to the load path so that it can be accessed from within test_roman.rb?
<odigity>
Ox0dea, wow, that's a lot of output. :) Thanks!
<Ox0dea>
teslax: Oh, sorry; I did misread your command line there.
<Ox0dea>
teslax: The load path is the set of directories Ruby looks for 'foo' in when you require 'foo'.
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<teslax>
0x0dea: So if I have a ruby script that requires 'foo.rb' which is inside path/app/, I can just run it using ruby -I path/app script.rb ? Correct?
<Ox0dea>
odigity: Aye, it's quite a bit, and it's not all gems; you'll have to pare it down considerably.
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<odigity>
Ox0dea, that's ok, I got what I needed from it.
<ruby-lang744>
well, it doesn't seem to work with .present? at the moment....
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<Ox0dea>
teslax: No, the command line doesn't interact with the load path.
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<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang744: #present? is overkill for this particular case; apologies for having you chase that goose.
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<ruby-lang744>
naw, I just want it to finally work (somehow.)
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<Ox0dea>
teslax: Gah, sorry, I keep misreading you; yes, I think you've grokked the thing.
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<teslax>
0x0dea: No problem!
<Ox0dea>
teslax: For what it's worth, it's usually better to append to the load path directly from within Ruby.
<Ox0dea>
It's not like you *can't* hit the network from Fortran.
<ruby-lang744>
perhaps... let's see, can you pass parameters to a ruby in command line?
<ruby-lang744>
to a ruby program*
<Ox0dea>
I have no idea.
<jhass>
this sounds like they plan to reimplement curl in Ruby
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<ruby-lang744>
well, if I had any single way to fetch an arbitrary HTTPS page, and get the response back without any further frills, I could of course program the rest in Fortran
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<ruby-lang744>
but I still don't know about the overhead that it'd mean for the reason that you need to start up the external program likely hundreds of thousands of times
<ruby-lang744>
which is why I went for a language that can fetch HTTPS on its own, and at the same time (supposedly) quick to learn
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<Ox0dea>
#! is the only unary operator that can be invoked like a regular method; why is that?
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<ruby-lang744>
maybe because people didn't think it safe to include anything more complicated
<ruby-lang744>
SIN() is a unary operator. I don't know what a method means, though.
<Ox0dea>
It's just a syntactic constraint, then.
<ruby-lang744>
well, what is a method, anyhow?
<shevy>
:)
<adaedra>
that's basics
<ruby-lang744>
you mean it's a subroutine?
<workmad3>
Ox0dea: is it possible that ! is the only unary operator where the method isn't suffixed with @ ?
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang744: Methods are "subroutines" applied to specific objects, more or less.
<Ox0dea>
workmad3: ~ isn't either.
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<Ox0dea>
But it can't be invoked without parentheses like #! can.
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<adaedra>
workmad3: well, the only one where there's no ambiguity with the binary operator
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<adaedra>
maybe
<Ox0dea>
Yeah, that seems right.
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<workmad3>
it'll be something like that
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<ruby-lang744>
well, in fortran it's called with CALL SUBROUTINE(A,B,C....). And the subroutine has its own variable declarations, so you can call the incoming values C, B and A if you wish, it doesn't quite matter for the caller program
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<Ox0dea>
adaedra: Wait, what's binary ~?
<workmad3>
I think ! was quite a recent addition to the available operator overrides too... so it could be that the parsing around it is cleaner and more 'correct'
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<adaedra>
wow that's weird
<adaedra>
ah no ok
<adaedra>
well, seems it doesn't work with ~
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<adaedra>
the exception to confirm the rule?
<ruby-lang744>
and Ox0dea, what is an object? I mean, I can apply a subroutine to variables and/or constants. Is an object meaning "variable or constant"?
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<mwlang>
yeah, right you are…might as well take it all the way!
<Ox0dea>
mwlang: Parsing Ruby strings requires a Ruby parser. :P
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<mwlang>
Ox0dea: that example worked just fine for me.
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<Ox0dea>
Aye, it'll do for simple Hashes, which are the only kind that ought to exist.
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<mwlang>
I’m not really interested in parsing Ruby…just highlight a block of code that has my 1.8 styled hashes and hit ^=
<Ox0dea>
Don't wanna `sed -i *.rb`, you say?
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<mwlang>
yeah, I’m generally not going to be mucking with complex ones, or if I do, it’s simple enough highlighting simple portions at a time.
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<mwlang>
Ox0dea: :-S That way lies insanity
<Ox0dea>
`-i` takes a backup extension, for what that's worth.
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<rindolf>
Hi all.
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<Coraline>
Hi rindolf
<rindolf>
Coraline: how are you?
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<Coraline>
Hanging in there.
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<mwlang>
Ox0dea: hmmm..yeah, I just don’t like to change tons of files trivially, esp. those that have no test coverage.
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<Ox0dea>
mwlang: Makes perfect sense.
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<mwlang>
I write the tests, pass ‘em, then refactor and get back to green.
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<mwlang>
Had to add one more piece to that regexp..sometimes the => is jammed against the identifier…only other scenario is “one” => and ‘two’ => but I don’t generally symbolize and switch these to 1.9 syntax, so YAGNI scenario there.
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<mwlang>
so this is the final regexp: str.gsub /\:(\S|[^\=]+)d(\s*?\=\>\s?)/, '\1: '
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<rindolf>
mwlang: why do you use \= instead of =?
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<mwlang>
just didn’t look it up to see if = has meaning in regexps…if I’m ever not sure I prefix with \ and then later, remove the \ once I have a regexp working…forgot to in this case.
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<Ox0dea>
mwlang: \w > \S|[^\=]
<Ox0dea>
For this particular purpose.
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<mwlang>
Ox0dea: does \w include digits dashes, underscores, periods?
<autojack>
I've used rbenv for years, but on one of my systems it seems to be in a broken state, but I can't figure out why or how to fix it. my path is correct, I'm definitely hitting the rbenv shims, but when I try to 'gem install' something I get 'You don't have write permissions into the /usr/local directory.'
<Ox0dea>
And hey, those are almost all of the valid identifier characters.
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<autojack>
it should be installing the gems under the .rbenv directory though.
<rgb-one>
Hey
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<Ox0dea>
autojack: Might be El Capitan?
<autojack>
Ox0dea: no, this is Ubuntu.
<teslax>
What's the benefit of using rspec over just say, Test::Unit ?
<Ox0dea>
teslax: It's largely a personal thing.
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<Antiarc>
I like the syntax better, personally
<autojack>
*oh* I might know what's up.
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<autojack>
yep. this system has a .gemrc.
<autojack>
which is overriding gem_home.
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<teslax>
I don't know rspec. Should I learn it or can I just go by with using Test::Unit?
<autojack>
that was it. damn.
<mwlang>
teslax: rspec uses BDD’s vocabulary whereas Test::Unit uses TDD’s vocabulary and I do like rspec’s matchers a lot more, esp. when used with rspec-its. I also like the let and subject constructs rspec offers.
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<teslax>
mwlang: What's used with Rails?
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<mwlang>
teslax: I actually don’t know any more. First thing I always do is set up rspec-rails on the project and delete the test folder. Somebody else here knows definitively.
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<glider>
What testing framework is used with Rails
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<havenwood>
glider: Minitest ships with Ruby and is the Rails default.
<glider>
havenwood: Alright.
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<havenwood>
glider: The Rails channel is #RubyOnRails, you just have to register to talk.
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<BrazenBraden>
i am having major difficulties trying to bundle install. Getting errors "Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension." | https://gist.github.com/brazenbraden/31371b65d535b546e023 . what am I missing?
<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: Hey! I'm glad to see the program came to fruition.
<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: Some of this code is very sexy. :P
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<Ox0dea>
BrazenBraden: You're missing GMP, the multiple precision library Ruby uses for Bignum support and whatnot.
<havenwood>
BrazenBraden: That should do the trick. If you've got the time you might consider reporting to Travis's githubs if it is't already. I've been meaning to but haven't had a chance (waaaay to much to do, gah!).
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<BrazenBraden>
havenwood, havent done such things before lol
<shevy>
what does this mean? "proc.c (proc_mark): block.ep of Proc from Symbol is now NULL."
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<rgb-one>
Ox0dea: :)
<Ox0dea>
shevy: `ep` is "environment pointer" there, for starters.
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<Ox0dea>
The Patch Monster has been optimizing Symbol#to_proc as of late.
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<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: I have a few minor nitpicks if you'd like them.
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<rgb-one>
Ox0dea: I would
<drbrain>
I imagine the "environment pointer" ordinarily points to the closure if you created a do/end block
<Ox0dea>
That sounds right.
<shevy>
hmm
<drbrain>
a proc created from a symbol doesn't need an environment pointer, though
<man_on_couch>
is there documentation for the Object class' private methods? I can't find any on Omniref or RubyDoc, but I'm trying to learn about the methods in Object.new.private_methods
<shevy>
Ox0dea lol at "Patch Monster"
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<drbrain>
since it can't pull any information from the closure
<drbrain>
man_on_couch: most of them come from Kernel
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<Ox0dea>
shevy: I believe that's Nakada-san's official title.
<drbrain>
it is
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<BrazenBraden>
havenwood, if you feel like debunking one more mystery, perhaps you could help me figure out why I get the error "libruby.so.2.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" | https://gist.github.com/brazenbraden/b4ef6839ac81fdd42a4a
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<BrazenBraden>
havenwood, yes (well, i should update that gist.. i switched to postgres and do have libpq-dev added in the dockerfile).. if i remove pg / mysql, it fails with the same error on another gem (saw redcarpet fail too)
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<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: My quibbles were mostly stylistic, but #to_acronym was made much cleaner, and your exit codes were the wrong way round.
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<shevy>
you and your nibbles
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<Ox0dea>
Printing usage and version strings aren't abnormal exit conditions.
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<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: I'm curious how you intended to work MD5 into this.
<BrazenBraden>
havenwood, always libruby.so
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<banister>
wassup peeps
<havenwood>
banister: hallooo
<Ox0dea>
rgb-one: Uh-oh! It's just dawned on me: this is for generating "secure" passwords, isn't it?
<mbff>
You can clearly see the mina command exists.
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<adaedra>
mbff: Are you gems installed with bundle install --path vendor/bundle?
<Ox0dea>
A real-live person from Fargo?!
<mwlang>
speaking of xkcd #936 — I hate websites that make me make up complicated passcodes that have to include capitalization, at least one number, at least one symbol, etc. and worse, limit the length to anything less than 10 — keeps one from using a nice long passphrase.
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<mbff>
adaedra, no bundle --deployment ... i am using the mina bundler task if that helps
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<havenwood>
mbff: Check what if any Bundler config is set?: bundle config
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<shevy>
mwlang hah - I failed with the latest fedora installation because of password
<adaedra>
mbff: so maybe bundler is not aware of your additional directory.
<Ox0dea>
mwlang: And is indicative of a service which almost certainly stores passwords in the clear.
<mbff>
does it matter where I run the bundle config from?
<mwlang>
Ox0dea: well, latest one was MailChimp the other day.
<havenwood>
mbff: yes
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<mwlang>
I didn’t bother with a passphrase because it’s password requirements were so strict. So now that one’s written down somewhere because I surely cannot memorize it.
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<BrazenBraden>
I have verified that the files which it "cannot find" do indeed exist. i know this involves a docker container but it seems to be a ruby issue...?
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<havenwood>
BrazenBraden: Try: libmysql-dev
<eam>
BrazenBraden: the shared objects need to be in the path used by the linker
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<BrazenBraden>
havenwood, updated the gist to reflect current config. no mysql, just postgres, and I have libpq-dev included in build
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<eam>
BrazenBraden: dpkg -L libpq, where are the shared objects? Are they in /usr/lib?
<eam>
the package may have put them elsewhere
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<havenwood>
BrazenBraden: Ah, I was still looking at the old gist. I see.
<BrazenBraden>
eam, i cannot check as I cannot start the container to see
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, the path it specifies in the error is the correct path though
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<BrazenBraden>
as mentioned earlier, if i remove the pg gem, it fails with basically the same error on a different gem
<eam>
it doesn't specify a path
<eam>
BrazenBraden: the way the linker works is kind of like how the shell works
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<eam>
you run `foo` and it searches through every directory in $PATH until it fines "foo" in one of them, right?
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<eam>
same thing with ld.so - there's a search path, and it's looking for "libruby.so.2.2" and it can't find it
<BrazenBraden>
eam, so what is "No such file or directory - /app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/pg-0.18.3/lib/pg_ext.so" ?
<eam>
right, that's a little confusing. "/app/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/pg-0.18.3/lib/pg_ext.so" exists, but the shared object dependencies it has do not
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<eam>
the error in this case is "no such file or directory" but it's not talking about that file
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<eam>
it's talking about the dependencies of that file, which might be anywhere in the linker paths
<BrazenBraden>
hmmm ok?
<eam>
blame unix for having a confusing standard error on this :)
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<BrazenBraden>
oh i have been cursing unix for 2 days now :P
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<eam>
BrazenBraden: so, double check your stuff to make sure it's putting "libruby.so.2.2" into, say, /usr/lib or similar
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<BrazenBraden>
i'll see if i can get that info out of the container by jimmying it. one sec
<eam>
grab an ubuntu system that works and find it, and find out the package that owns it
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<BrazenBraden>
well, im on ubuntu so that shouldnt be too much of a problem
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<eam>
I have seen people go crazy over this error before, because it also happens for executables
<eam>
so you can ls -l /bin/foo and it's there, and it's +x, but you run it and "no such file or directory"
<eam>
hilarious ;)
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<eam>
tends to mostly happen when building chroots and the like
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, i thought the whole point of having these containers was to not have all these issues lol. i wonder if it has something to do with doing a bundle install --path
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<eam>
nah, the point is to isolate all this crap you're doing so you can easily repeat it while debugging :)
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<eam>
and not dedicate some horrible machine to run builds which you set up once over a period of time and now can no longer recreate
<BrazenBraden>
that for sure
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<BrazenBraden>
weird thing is that i have a container environment set up for another project and dont have any problems -.-
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, so, my libruby.so on my host machine is in my user folder .rvm as I use rvm to manage my rubies.. but the docker image my dockerfile is pulling builds it
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<mbff>
havenwood, I am not a smart man. I solved my problem
<mbff>
I run a script that makes all files 0644 and folders 0755.
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<mbff>
It must have been setting the bins as non executables.
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<havenwood>
mbff: Oops, glad you solved that mystery!
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, i am able to ls the files in the container but no clue where libruby.so is stored
<eam>
you've gotta find that file
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<eam>
BrazenBraden: you said you have an ubuntu system? Run `ldd $(which ruby)` and it will show you the libruby it uses
<eam>
BrazenBraden: then I believe it's dpkg --search /path/to/libruby.whatever.so.2.2.0
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<eam>
to find the package that owns it
<eam>
I'm not super great with debian
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, umm.. when i run that in my container, I get "No such file or directory" O.o
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<eam>
which?
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<eam>
the ldd?
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, yea the ldd
<eam>
so then, do you even have ruby installed in there?
<BrazenBraden>
yea, its a docker ruby image
<eam>
libruby isn't found in the linker path, and ruby itself isn't found in $PATH
<BrazenBraden>
FROM ruby:2.2.3
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<eam>
well, it seems it isn't installed
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<eam>
from here it looks like docker debugging
<BrazenBraden>
that would be awfully strange for a ruby image lol
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<eam>
I agree, but I've seen stranger
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<eam>
you can't run "ruby" at all in there right?
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, i can run ruby -v and I get ruby 2.2.3p173 (2015-08-18 revision 51636) [x86_64-linux]
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<eam>
well then, where is that ruby file you ran? run ldd on it
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<eam>
very odd that "which ruby" isn't working
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, the ldd didnt work.. but "which ruby" shows me /usr/local/bin/ruby
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<eam>
oh, you don't have "ldd"?
<BrazenBraden>
might be the case. these images supposed to be light weight
<eam>
man, this image is missing some basic stuff, that ships with glibc
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<BrazenBraden>
and its not even the slim version lol
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<eam>
BrazenBraden: install binutils (or whatever ubuntu calls it) and run readelf -d
<eam>
on ruby
<eam>
actually that won't do it
<BrazenBraden>
will try.. dont know if the container will stay alive long enough
<eam>
BrazenBraden: ldd is a shell script, try copying it over
<eam>
I believe the actual executable it uses is the dynamic linker itself
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, easier than that, will just re-provision the containers including binutils in the build. anything else i should include while im at it?
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<BrazenBraden>
eam, i got the container up and running.. looks like doing bundle install --path my/path was the problem :S
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<shevy>
ruby is sexy
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<shevy>
Ox0dea have you finally welcomed immutable strings in your heart?
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<Ox0dea>
No, of course not.
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<shevy>
you grumpy old man!
<shevy>
you'll never wear a santa claus costume
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<Ox0dea>
shevy: You remembered I'm old! <3
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<Ox0dea>
DATA is an elegant way to get hold of the current file as a File, but it only exists if there's an __END__; is there some way to overcome that limitation?
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<shevy>
that bugs me as well
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<dfockler>
No, otherwise there would be an infinite loop!
<dfockler>
It would keep grabbing the file until the end of time....
<Ox0dea>
Wat.
<dfockler>
I don't know what I'm talking about
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<dfockler>
But I just learned about DATA and __END__, thanks ;)
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<shevy>
it's nice to store configuration stuff on a per file basis
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<shevy>
I have no idea how to grab DATA from multiple different .rb files
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<shevy>
you are missing the fun stuff
<shevy>
pointers!
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<phreakocious>
I would like to make a nice thread-safe increment method that takes a class instance or global variable as a parameter.. is there a nice way to do this since you can't pass a reference to the variable?
<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: What does `5[foo]` do and why?
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<phreakocious>
something like .. def foo(var) ; $mutex.synchronize { var += 1 } ....
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<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: what do you mean
<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: In C.
<Ox0dea>
> anyone can write C
<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: I don't know
<Ox0dea>
phreakocious: It'd be easier not to use a primitive.
<phreakocious>
how so?
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<Ox0dea>
phreakocious: Well, you can't get a "reference", so to speak, to a Fixnum.
<phreakocious>
could it be done with (ick) eval?
<phreakocious>
or some ruby equivalent
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<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: explain what it does
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<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: In C, `foo[5]` is the sixth element of `foo`, just like in Ruby.
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<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: ok ty
<jhass>
phreakocious: do a thread safe Counter class instead
<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: But `array[index]` in C is actually just syntactic sugar for `*(array + index)`.
<jhass>
var = Counter.new(0); var.increment
<Ox0dea>
Since addition is commutative, `array[index]` == `index[array]`.
<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: why are you trying to test my skills or something?
<phreakocious>
ahh jhass I see'
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<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: Please calm down.
<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: ok sorry
<Ox0dea>
This is a learning experience.
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<diegoviola>
ok
<phreakocious>
I'm still stuck in a very functional way of thinking. :D thanks Ox0dea and jhass
<Ox0dea>
phreakocious: Functional "mutation" is pretty nifty.
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<Ox0dea>
I'm looking at some C code where I did `(__compar_fn_t) strcmp` and it worked.