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<shevy> hmmmm
<shevy> who of use, other than Mon_Ouie, uses coolline in a larger project?
<shevy> ahem
<shevy> who of *you
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<shevy> I need to think about a very good use case compared to Readline.readline()
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<csmrfx> oh yeah
<csmrfx> 3leet_cod3rZ rubytzecker 0.1 is publix! http://pastie.org/5508874
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<csmrfx> zomg 0-day wares just out, rubytzecker 0.11 http://pastie.org/5508880
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<foucist> lol
<xahlee> how to general ri doc for Ruby itself? did 「gem rdoc --all」 but 「ri String」 still show gem methods only. thx
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<csmrfx> hm, dunno what you mean
<csmrfx> perhaps ri String | less
<xahlee> csmrfx when i do ri String, it only show like 5 lines. of methods from gem rake
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<csmrfx> your ri is broken then
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<xahlee> ☹
<csmrfx> my ri shows from ruby core, ruby site and gems
<xahlee> thx. i was wondering maybe because i don't have the doc generated, if there's a command to generate the language doc?
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<pewter_tao> how does this |f| puts `ruby -c #{f}` work?
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<pewter_tao> I want to output what f (the filename) is after I run this...
<pewter_tao> I can't just write |f| twice... new to ruby syntax
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<csmrfx> psst! rubyleaks hax0rs have just intercepted the fresh 0day for rubytzecker v.123 http://pastie.org/5508933
<xahlee> csmrfx thx.
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<davidcelis> what the f is that
<csmrfx> its a ruby file checker that dies on binary files
<csmrfx> any ideas on how to prevent the first readline match from dying of: invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 (ArgumentError)
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<csmrfx> (when reading a binary == .png)
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<banisterfiend> xahlee: haha!
<banisterfiend> xahlee: i've visited your crazy website ;)
<banisterfiend> xahlee: lots of good content btw
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<csmrfx> hmm, is there a way to test if file is binary with ruby?
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<shevy> good question
<shevy> one library
<shevy> gem install ptools; require 'ptools'; File.binary?(file)
<jcblitz> I have a class that has a method that uses open-uri to make a request to a third party website. Can someone point me to any resources on how I would design that class so my unit tests could mock open-uri to return a dummy response?
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<csmrfx> no ptools
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<shevy> other methods mention checking for the content
<shevy> while (b = f.read(256)) do; return true if b[ "\0"]
<shevy> ugly to read though
<csmrfx> whats b["\0"] do?
<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> I got it from here: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/122170
<shevy> in that code, I actually wonder from where f comes... from the f.read
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<blazes816> it returns true if the string b contains \0
<shevy> "abc\0\0"["\0"] # => "\x00"
<shevy> I see
<csmrfx> ok
<blazes816> yeah, I should say, it returns that string if it's there, otherwise nil
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<csmrfx> ok perhaps there is a bastardous evil way to know if the first read line is binary data or not (before [] chokes on it)?
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<shevy> what is the simplest difference between a binary file and a text file
<shevy> I don't even know :\
<csmrfx> I cant find one
<shevy> where are the C gurus
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<csmrfx> someone suggested heuristic avg distribution of bits
<csmrfx> lol
<csmrfx> not gonna be a oneliner
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<csmrfx> the real problem is: string[] match dies if fed a line of png
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<csmrfx> just need to know that file *is* text / utf
<csmrfx> can't test for every type of binary blob under the sun
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<csmrfx> ahaa, there is a unix way to look at binaryness of file
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<pewter_tao> csmrfx: what are you talking about?
<pewter_tao> you want to read a binary file?
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<pewter_tao> use a hexeditor!
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<csmrfx> I want to see that the file is *not* a binary file before testing if it has crunchbang or .rb
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<undecim> Can someone explain 1) Why libv8 isn't compiling (http://fpaste.org/UF8h/) and 2) Why it's being installed to .gem/ruby/1.9.1/ when I have ruby version 1.9.3?
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<csmrfx> howcome this test with file doesn't work:
<csmrfx> puts Dir["*"].select{ |fn| puts fn; ( File.open(fn) {|f| `file #{fn}` !~ /text/ ? !!f.readline[/#!.*ruby/] : false } || !!fn[/.rb/] ) && !!`ruby -c #{fn}`[/Syntax OK/] }
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<undecim> Can someone help me get libv8 installed? I'm totally lost here...
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<csmrfx> undecim you on ubuntu?
<undecim> archlinux
<csmrfx> you install package manager ruby?
<undecim> Package manager I installed the v8 package, but rake is still complaining about not having an environment
<undecim> using gem, it get a syntax error... http://fpaste.org/UF8h/
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<shevy> what is libv8?
<undecim> Google's javascript engine
<shevy> except ImportError, e:
<shevy> that looks like python
<undecim> I need it to install therubyracer
<undecim> wtf is python doing in my Ruby?
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<shevy> I have no idea
<shevy> :)
<shevy> well
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<shevy> File "build/gyp/gyp", line 12
<shevy> let's see what this file is
<undecim> Okay, so it's got "#!/usr/bin/env python" at the top...
<csmrfx> v8 with python bindings
<undecim> Maybe it's using the wrong python version
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<undecim> I just want to get working with rails so I know if I can use it instead of php...
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<csmrfx> naw you probably dont
<undecim> But I can't get any js runtime working for rake...
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<shevy> probably
<shevy> python 2 vs python 3
<shevy> it's kinda insane to require python when compiling ruby-extensions :D
<undecim> Yeah...
<shevy> undecim, php should be much simpler than the rails ecosystem
<undecim> Well I'll have no idea if rails is for me until I can try it
<csmrfx> hahaa! I have conquered the binary realm with my eleet haxer0r codez!
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<csmrfx> oh
<csmrfx> no, not quite
<shevy> undecim just installing rails, one does not need to compile anything at all
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<shevy> I tried rails in the 1.x days
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<csmrfx> lol
<shevy> I got the first tutorial working with sqlite too
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<shevy> but it kind of became more complex, larger... bundler install didnt work for me... the fun went away
<csmrfx> if this system command returns: ERROR: cannot open `P._1315384786416.png' (No such file or directory)
<undecim> Well all the tutorials I'm trying are telling me I need to use rake db:create to initialize the db... But that won't run without a JS runtime
<csmrfx> How can it proceed past the if: if `file #{fn}`[/text/]
<csmrfx> doesn't make any sense
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> rake... another thing I hate
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<undecim> shevy: Can you recommend some literature that gets me started on rails in a sane manner?
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<csmrfx> ah, quotes did the magic
<csmrfx> if `file "#{fn}"`[/text/]
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<havenn_> undecim: Have you gone thru the 'getting started'? http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html
<undecim> havenn_: Yeah, that's what got me started on this
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<csmrfx> http://pastie.org/5509057 phresh ruby tzecker
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<csmrfx> now if it only had test to see that file is not empty
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<undecim> And there doesn't seem to be any way to get js runtime for rake
<csmrfx> I tried to one-linerize it but cannot
<shevy> undecim I bought two rails book, they were so boring that I never finished reading them
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<shevy> undecim, just learn ruby, you will like it more than php ;) no idea about the ruby ecosystem, I am not so thrilled about some of it, like rails
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<undecim> shevy: Well I'm not going to enjoy ruby nearly as much if I don't use it in a context that pertains to the work I'm doing
<csmrfx> lemon is a nice php framework to use the 1-2 years you are learning.
<shevy> undecim I use ruby + .cgi still
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<csmrfx> limonade, whatever
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> that's something to drink!
<undecim> *sigh*, well back to php
<csmrfx> php has so many frameworks that it is impossible to remember
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<csmrfx> maybe it was slim, maybe it was lemon, maybe it was limonade
<csmrfx> haven't really used php as project base in years
<shevy> yeah
<undecim> csmrfx: It was slimonake Zendniter
<shevy> we need more competition with php
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<undecim> s/standards/PHP frameworks/
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<csmrfx> Practical language power: There really is not anything you can do in Ruby that is impossible to do with PHP
<csmrfx> (Ruby and PHP tie)
<csmrfx> what?
<csmrfx> where is my metaprogramming PHP's
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<shevy> he means that you can workaround things
<shevy> like what you can do in 5 lines of ruby, you can do in 50 lines of php
<shevy> :P
<shevy> hmm
<csmrfx> naw
<shevy> though, you cant have blocks in php
<csmrfx> php just isn't a very deep as a language
<csmrfx> ok they put in objects and whatnot
<csmrfx> but it still isn't
<csmrfx> disclmr: hvnt used php in yers
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<csmrfx> also, ruby has poetics
<eka> biased
<csmrfx> php is more like, it has almost full alphabet
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<csmrfx> php is practical but if php was a person, it would ride the special bus
<csmrfx> now, everyone might need a buddy who can take the special bus to do some chores, but...
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<shevy> lol
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<eka> php is crippled... it can do the work you need, but you can't compare it to ruby, IMHO
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<three18ti> why would I define hash keys as [ ":key" => "value"] specifically, I am looking at the "newer, faster" section here: http://rubymonk.com/learning/books/1/chapters/10-hashes-in-ruby/lessons/47-hashes-in-and-out what I don't understand is why you would define it as [:punch, 0] vs ["punch", 0]
<eka> three18ti: vs {key: value}
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<csmrfx> php is server glue that has a syntax to make it look like a language
<eka> csmrfx: why python is missing there?
<csmrfx> just one way about that
<csmrfx> makes for a boring pic
<shevy> three18ti, a symbol is always unique, a string object always different
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<shevy> three18ti, :foo is always foo, but "foo" is never "foo" in regards to object_id
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<shevy> "foo".object_id # => 83889500
<shevy> "foo".object_id # => 83974790
<three18ti> ok, so the ":" makes it a symbol?
<csmrfx> lol that table jpg gets me every time
<shevy> :foo.object_id # => 273288
<shevy> :foo.object_id # => 273288
<shevy> yea three18ti
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<shevy> leading : for names, appended : for key-value hashes (the new syntax)
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<shevy> hash = { foo: "bar", faz: "baz" } # => {:foo=>"bar", :faz=>"baz"}
<shevy> hash = { :foo => "bar", :faz => "baz" }
<shevy> which is the same as
<shevy> I dont like the new syntax much :(
<gbchaosmaster> shevy: It's so much cleaner.
<gbchaosmaster> No contest.
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<three18ti> so when is it appropriate to use symbols vs strings for hashes?
<gbchaosmaster> three18ti: Almost always use symbols as hash keys.
<DanBoy> a symbol takes up less mem
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<csmrfx> when want symbols, when want use one char less : vs =>+""
<shevy> gbchaosmaster yeah, less characters, but it is inconsistent with how a symbol is otherwise done
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<csmrfx> hm, or is that 3 chars less
<gbchaosmaster> shevy: Inconsistent, kinda, but the hash rocket was just so bulky looking.
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<shevy> csmrfx, well for a big hash it can pay off nicely
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<shevy> if you have 50 lines of a hash, 50 x -3 characters is quite a lot
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<three18ti> gbchaosmaster, yea, but I come from Perl (yes, we all have our crosses to bear... :P ) so the "fat comma" is comfortable for me.
<shevy> oh
<shevy> -2 only ... or?
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<shevy> oh no, -3
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<shevy> I cant count :D
<gbchaosmaster> three18ti: When in Rome... =P
<shevy> I think ruby is by now more complex than perl
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<three18ti> why do you say that shevy?
<gbchaosmaster> New code should definitely use the latest syntax, it's more or less universally preferred.
<three18ti> gbchaosmaster, +1 ;)
<DanBoy> i normally go with the big pointer '=>' :P
<gbchaosmaster> TIL that #ruby is full of heathen. =P
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<shevy> three18ti not sure, it feels like that, all the things you must know about ruby
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<shevy> I use => too
<shevy> :)
<DanBoy> i came from perl tho :D
<three18ti> it is a fairly comprehensive API. everything being an object is a new concept I'm trying to wrap my head around.
<shevy> I used perl for like 8 months, then php for ... 20 months
<shevy> I found php easier than perl
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<shevy> three18ti, that concept is quite simple. you have an object foo, you call methods on it, via . foo.bar or if you want it explicit foo.bar()
* three18ti php ... *shudders*
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<three18ti> it's not that it's a complex concept... it's just that 1.+1 or 1.is_a?(Integer) just seems so foreign.
<shevy> then your objects can contain data, in @ivars, specifically pertaining to that object in question... class Bla; attr_reader :foo; def initialize; @foo = 5; end; end; bla = Bla.new; bla.foo
<shevy> # => 5
<three18ti> (I'll -never- get used to question marks in method names)
<shevy> well the first is just how the ruby parser wants to see the world
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<three18ti> and I know that 1 + 1 is perfectly valid. I was just illustrating.
<DanBoy> ya you will man
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<shevy> three18ti question marks are simple!
<shevy> three18ti class Box; def open?; return @state
<DanBoy> dude at first i had a problem not putting wrapping blocks in { and }
<shevy> is your box open or is it not!
<shevy> this is like written english three18ti
<csmrfx> ruby is way more sophisticated than perl
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<shevy> in java... it could be is_open()
<shevy> but you can use this in ruby too
<shevy> def is_open... def is_it_open... well, that's too much to type, but still you could
<shevy> DanBoy haha yeah
<three18ti> I still want to end all my lines with semicolons.
<shevy> DanBoy what do you prefer... {} or do/end
<shevy> I loved that I could omit semicolons
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<shevy> I'll never go back to a language that mandates semicolons
<shevy> that would leave me only with ruby and python
<three18ti> visual basic
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<csmrfx> javascript
<csmrfx> ocaml
<csmrfx> lisp
<shevy> yikes
<csmrfx> scheme
<shevy> JAVASCRIPT
<csmrfx> ecmascript
<three18ti> bash
<csmrfx> bash has semicolons
<three18ti> but they aren't required to end a line.
<csmrfx> oh, they're not?
<csmrfx> heh thats right
<three18ti> nope. you have to escape the return with a \ to continue to a new line.
<three18ti> I think they are required in like if statements: if [ "$1" == "" ]; then
<three18ti> fi
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<csmrfx> yeah
<three18ti> not that I'm encouraging writing bash...
<csmrfx> some commands require em
<three18ti> right.
<shevy> god, I hate bash the most
<csmrfx> bash is also not quite a language, more like a heap of expressions
<three18ti> haha!
<three18ti> heap of expressions flying in loose formation.
<shevy> if [ "$1" == "" ] <-- that doesn't give me any meaningful sense
<three18ti> that means that if there is no first parameter.
<shevy> cant they do that in the function declaration :(
<shevy> that's like using global variables
<epwhorl> I believe javascript doesn't require semicolons.
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<three18ti> function declaration? lol.
<shevy> yeah that would be sweet
<shevy> in ruby you could use ENV everywhere, I hate that too
<shevy> wait
<shevy> ARGV
<shevy> :)
<three18ti> that particular snippet is from a program the fist checks that it has 3 input parameters.
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<csmrfx> js dont need, has ASI
<reppard> hello everyone
<three18ti> yea, is the equivalent to ARGV
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<shevy> def foo; puts 'hi world' if ARGV[0] == 'run'; end
<reppard> does anyone know how to return columns in a multidem array?
<three18ti> ARGV[0] == $1
<shevy> when I see things like that I must slay three kittens
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<shevy> what is a column
<reppard> array[0][0..19] will return the first row of a grid array
<shevy> .slice ?
<reppard> but array[0..19][0] doesnt return the expected value
<shevy> %w( a b c d e f g ).slice 3,2 # => ["d", "e"]
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<shevy> well [0..19] gives us all the first ... 20 elements
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<reppard> yes indeed
<reppard> i have a 20 by 20 grid
<shevy> ok
<reppard> so its 20 arrays in an array
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<reppard> i want to collect the columns
<reppard> like the first element in each array
<csmrfx> irb
<reppard> then the second, and so on
<csmrfx> irb again, and so on
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<shevy> with 20 x 20 I think it is: array = Array.new(20) { Array.new(20) }
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<reppard> csmrfx: been racking my brain irb for about 45 minutes =)
<shevy> that should be 400 nils, I think
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<shevy> what was the question again? hehehe
<reppard> haha
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<csmrfx> there are not that many ways to arrange the params for array of arrays
<reppard> so i converted a 20 by 20 string of numbers in to a multi dem array
<shevy> know the movie memento? I feel like that main guy, when trying to code something... what happened before, slipped away from memory
<shevy> right
<reppard> i can collect the rows easily
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<reppard> array[x][0..19]
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<reppard> then i can iterate for x and that snags the rows
<reppard> but i want the columns
<shevy> aaaaah
<csmrfx> lol
<shevy> so you dont want the ------------
<shevy> you want the |
<reppard> indeed =)
<csmrfx> how is it you cannot swap x and 0..19?
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<reppard> i mean i want both, i already have the -----
<reppard> csmrfx: dont know, i tried that as its the obvious solution but that just returns the whole array
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<shevy> my brain is empty... it can not answer the question right now
<shevy> let's say, obtain column 5
<shevy> of the array
<shevy> we would need
<shevy> array[5][0]
<shevy> array[5][1]
<shevy> array[5][2]
<shevy> hmm, rather [4]
<csmrfx> what that latter thing?
<reppard> where do you guys past to in here?
<shevy> but never mind that for now
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<reppard> ill show you
<shevy> I use pastie.org
<csmrfx> maybe a range?
<waxjar> does somebody incidentally know a good article on how Rack works?
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<csmrfx> how is it your range only works the other way
<shevy> yeah
<waxjar> i don't mean its API or whatever, more the idea behind it
<shevy> I think a range works
<shevy> reppard, why doesnt your range work
<undecim> How do I get a javascript runtime for rake?
<reppard> check the link, the last range passes the first element and not the first element of each element
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<reppard> they produce the exact same thing
<shevy> yeah
<csmrfx> >> arrr = [[1,2],[3,4],[5,6]]; p arrr[0..1][1]
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "[3, 4]\n" (http://eval.in/4419)
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<csmrfx> I use NArray for matrices like this, tho
<reppard> csmrfx: in that situation i would want to collect [1,3,5]
<reppard> or 2,4,6
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<shevy> right
<shevy> I am going to be bold
<shevy> I claim that there is no inbuilt way to do that
<csmrfx> no
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<reppard> shevy: i was coming to the same conclusion
<csmrfx> just range through outer, collect from inner
<reppard> but didnt want to do the messy iteration work when the rows were so easy
<csmrfx> NArray is nice and fast too
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<reppard> ahh its a gem?
<csmrfx> that, too
<reppard> damn =\ was trying to stick with the standard library
<csmrfx> you can
<epwhorl> What is 'p'? It's similar to puts, yes?
<reppard> short for print
<shevy> epwhorl should print data about the object
<epwhorl> ahh
<csmrfx> yes
<epwhorl> so simple
<epwhorl> beautiful
<csmrfx> OEE
<csmrfx> PEEE
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<shevy> class Hi; end; hi = Hi.new; p hi #<Hi:0xb67147e0>
<epwhorl> heh
<csmrfx> >> p ["P"]
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "[\"P\"]\n" (http://eval.in/4420)
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<reppard> >> puts "Can I try?"
<eval-in> reppard: Output: "Can I try?\n" (http://eval.in/4421)
<shevy> ah well
<reppard> haha awesome
<squidBits> where'd the \n come from?
<shevy> class Hi; def to_s; 'ok'; end; end; hi = Hi.new; puts hi # ok
<shevy> I think the bot does that
<reppard> so im guessing range just doesnt work for outer like it should
<reppard> thats strange
<shevy> but puts by default should append a newline
<shevy> unless there is one already
<shevy> puts "hello world" is the same as puts "hello world\n"
<shevy> :(
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<csmrfx> reppard: outer is range of rows, right
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<reppard> >> puts "Can I try?".gsub(/\n/,"")
<eval-in> reppard: Output: "Can I try?\n" (http://eval.in/4422)
<shevy> haha
<reppard> didnt work
<reppard> haha
<csmrfx> if you want column, you need all rows
<csmrfx> rather simple
<shevy> cant get rid of that newline eh
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<reppard> yeah csmrfx that makes sense
<csmrfx> arrr[0..-1][column_num]
<csmrfx> but, you might need to each through
<reppard> yeah range doesnt work for it, just returns the row with the specified range of elements
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<epwhorl> wouldn't it be arrr[(0..-1)] ?
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<reppard> >> array = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]; p array[0..1][0]
<eval-in> reppard: Output: "[1, 2, 3]\n" (http://eval.in/4423)
<reppard> nope, not even, pulls the whole row
<csmrfx> thers no syntax magic
<csmrfx> but it doesn't pull the whole row
<csmrfx> the latter just points at that entry in the returned array
<reppard> 1,2,3 is the whole first row
<csmrfx> epwhorl is correct
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<reppard> doesn't work for me
<reppard> ill just have to each
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<csmrfx> I'd select, rather
<reppard> ill just have to define 2 methods, one for rows and one for columns so one method isn't cluttered
<csmrfx> no
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<csmrfx> >> ar = [["a", "b", "c"], [7, 8, 9], [4, 5, 6], [0, 1, 2]]; ar.collect{ |sar| sar[2] }
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "/tmp/execpad-b6c89de4d3e8/source-b6c89de4d3e8:1: invalid multibyte char (US-ASCII)\n/tmp/execpad-b6c89de4d3e8/source-b6c89de4d3e8:1: syntax error, unexpected $end\n... [0, 1, 2]]; ar.collect{ |sar|\u00A0sar[2] }\n... ^\n" (http://eval.in/4424)
<csmrfx> whoa baby
<csmrfx> eval-in: I love it when you talk smutty
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<squidBits> ….glitch in the matrix?
<squidBits> ….get it….
<csmrfx> hm, in fact there might be syntax magic, you know, to ditch the block
<reppard> thats it dude!
<reppard> collect works
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<reppard> >> array = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]]; puts array.collect{|x| x[1]}
<eval-in> reppard: Output: "2\n5\n8\n" (http://eval.in/4425)
<reppard> >> array = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]]; puts array.collect{|x| x[1].to_i}
<eval-in> reppard: Output: "2\n5\n8\n" (http://eval.in/4426)
<reppard> lame
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<reppard> still cool though thankx csmrfx, i think i can work with that
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<csmrfx> ri collect && ri select
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<csmrfx> ok time to grab some Z's
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<reppard> the fun part is going to come when i need the diagnles
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<bricker> I have a module that another module depends on, but which I also want to be able to use by itself. Is it safe/prudent to include that module into the other one? Will Ruby handle this intelligently, or will it just override itself?
<bricker> (if both the standalone and the dependent module are included into one class)
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<lunks_> Can I somehow use enum_for with sort taking a block?
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<doug> what's the shortest way to specify [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]?
<doug> or some other monotone interval...
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<reactormonk> doug, [*1..10]
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<doug> what's the * do?
<reactormonk> splash operator
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<doug> not the splat operator?
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<reactormonk> doug, I prefer a bit less gory names :-)
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<foucist> reactormonk: LOL
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<epwhorl> I was pleasantly surprised with some of the "non-scripting language" things that ruby has. Still stumped by I can't define a constant after I use it in a method. After all, it finds methods in methods that are only defined after those methods...
<epwhorl> And by was I meant as I was learning/discovering Ruby
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<foucist> epwhorl: sounds like you need to learn how scope works in ruby for the methods/constants
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<epwhorl> Perhaps. I understand now I need to define constants first off.
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<epwhorl> It's just a strange dynamic. I can utilize a method that is defined below, but I cannot utilize a constant? Seems strange.
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<foucist> epwhorl: can you show me an example? paste it on http://gist.github.com
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<epwhorl> Oh sure.
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<epwhorl> I will show you two examples, this is rails code btw
<foucist> ok
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<epwhorl> I will show two examples: One effective, and one ineffective.
<epwhorl> Or rather, "Acceptable" and "Unacceptable"
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<epwhorl> Acceptable: https://gist.github.com/4255891
<epwhorl> Unacceptable https://gist.github.com/4255896
<foucist> epwhorl: ah right
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<foucist> ruby is somewhat procedural so you do have to have previously defined stuff appear before it gets used
<foucist> rails does have other stuff going on so it looks up the methods AFTER
<foucist> because it's dynamically looking it up
<squidBits> Coming from learning how to program with C/C++ that makes sense.
<epwhorl> Where as THIS is acceptable, where as defining a constant afterwards is not? https://gist.github.com/4255903
<epwhorl> I dunno. I guess I thought if a constant was defined directly in the class that it had a class-scope. Apparently not quite true.
<foucist> well in C don't constants need to be defined before they get used? so they need to be above the method that uses them?
<squidBits> Yeah, and I think that's where it comes from in Ruby.
<foucist> epwhorl: but ruby is an interpreted language, so what's going on is the foobar definition gets interpreted first before the foo method calls it
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<epwhorl> Okay yes. But it seems it's not interpreting constants in the same manner.
<epwhorl> Why? I'm not so sure I understand the utility.
<epwhorl> anyways. I must continue. I'll chalk this one up as a misunderstanding.
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<reactormonk> epwhorl, just remember that code in methods gets executed when the method is called, not when it is parsed
<reactormonk> epwhorl, constants, however, are evald the the moment they are parsed
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<reactormonk> maybe that helps
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<epwhorl> I can't wait to be out of Windows and into Linux
<epwhorl> Rails in Windows is so wrong
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<epwhorl> missing :controller >:|
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<foucist> epwhorl: try what i'm doing.. vagrant + virtualbox.. ssh into the linux
<foucist> use the recipe from here https://github.com/rails/rails-dev-box
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<epwhorl> foucist, I'm sorry but my computer *does not* like virtualization
<epwhorl> foucist, it's chunky enough that I wanted to ditch it after 3 days
<foucist> i'm using a $320 laptop, 1.8ghz celeron, 4GB ram
<foucist> slow but does it
<foucist> the ram probably helps a lot
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<epwhorl> foucist, I also have 4gb of ram (32-bit win7 enterprise)
<epwhorl> this computer has decent stats but I suspect it's the image of win7enterprise that my school uses which is the culprit.
<epwhorl> background processes galore
<epwhorl> cpu spikes, anti-virus
<foucist> yeah :/
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<epwhorl> invisible network servers, to name the least
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<reactormonk> foucist, using a $320 laptop as well, i5 4x 2.5 with 4GB :-)
<epwhorl> 4x?
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<foucist> reactormonk: 4 cores? wtf, where the hell did you get that laptop, that's way too good of a deal
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<epwhorl> that is a good deal.
<reactormonk> foucist, maybe HT... not sure, /proc/cpuinfo isn't that informative on that
<epwhorl> it's 1/3 the price of this schlep
<foucist> ah yeah prob HT
<reactormonk> oh, yep, ht flag is there. so it's only a 2x
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<reactormonk> foucist, ebay helps ;-)
<foucist> reactormonk: new or used? what brand
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<epwhorl> wow I cannot even generate a controller without this 'default_controller_and_action': missing :controller nonsense, wtg rails
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<epwhorl> can't start server, can't run rake routes, can't gen controllers, models, etc
<epwhorl> so much for exam study.
<reactormonk> foucist, mostly new, x201 lenovo
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<foucist> pretty good
<foucist> been looking at x230 at outlet lenovo for $612 heh
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<reactormonk> go for it, they're rock solid
<reactormonk> easy to disassemble if you like hardware pr0n
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<foucist> reactormonk: did you 'buy it now' on ebay?
<foucist> or just bid
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<reactormonk> foucist, nah, some weeks ago
<reactormonk> foucist, guess how I was able to call on /proc/cpuinfo :-)
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<foucist> reactormonk: i know, i meant did you by it at the BIN price or just bidded ?
<foucist> buy*
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<reactormonk> foucist, bin price
<reactormonk> foucist, +30$ or so shipping
<foucist> nice
<reactormonk> merchandizing hardware or so - just browse around
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<epwhorl> my next laptop will have an ssd
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<reactormonk> epwhorl, not sure if it's worth it, already lost a cryptsector to one of those
<epwhorl> reactormonk, do talk
<reactormonk> epwhorl, oh well, cryptsetup didn't accept my PW anymore, so I suppose a bitflip in the cryptosector somewhere
<reactormonk> epwhorl, just make a backup of that one
<epwhorl> so you're suggesting they might be prone to that?
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<reactormonk> epwhorl, just don't rely on them too much
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<epwhorl> I guess I have always naively relied upon rotating magnetic hard disks and only had one crash.
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<reactormonk> epwhorl, backups.
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<RubyPanther> in 97 I had an (already) old HD die, the magnetic disk parts were fine, but the head was the old kind that used a plastic worm drive which died. I had backups on floppy, but disk #32 of the archive was corrupted and I lost all my data.
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<RubyPanther> backups suck, I recommend redundant rotating magnetic drives instead.
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<squidBits> uhhhhh, RAID isn't backups.
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<ekristen> hi
<ekristen> I have a rake command
<ekristen> after two minutes it throws an exception saying the script timed out
<ekristen> but it was in the middle of work
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<ekristen> any idea what controls that?
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<Mon_Ouie> shevy: seydar uses it. https://bitbucket.org/seydar/chitin/src
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<rubster> hi all
<rubster> anybody else been dealing with the notorious "ERROR: Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler` first." error?
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<elaptics> "dealing with it", you mean like installing bundler?
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<rubster> I installed bundler
<rubster> still same error
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<rubster> I'm on ubuntu 12.04, used rvm to install latest ruby 1.8.7
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<rubster> Google no help about it...
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<waxjar> did you run gem install bundler?
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<rubster> I did. It did not help.
<rubster> gem install bundler
<rubster> yielded:
<rubster> Successfully installed bundler-1.2.3
<rubster> and the same error continues.
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<rubster> anyone else had that error with ubuntu?
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<waxjar> maybe your $PATH variable is not set correctly
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<Solnse> sudo?
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<waxjar> what causes the original error?
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<elaptics> no need for sudo'ing with rvm
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<rubster> how do I set the path correctly in ummm Ubuntu 12.04?
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<waxjar> it should say something about it in the installation instructions for RVM
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<rubster> okay
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<rubster> now it's tring to install ghost gems...
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<Hanmac_> what are ghost gems?
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<JDubs> Hello! o.
<JDubs> o/
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<JDubs> Looking for a little help with some code: http://pastie.org/5510259
<JDubs> trying to make it where if the block that is giving is a string (eg. do "string" end) that I can determine that and change the behavior'
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<JDubs> Anyone here?
<JDubs> I need help! :(
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<hoelzro> I'm here!
<JDubs> hoelzro: Hello!
<hoelzro> howdy!
<JDubs> Could you help me please?
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<JDubs> I'm trying to make an xml generator
<JDubs> that will work like this
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<JDubs> @xml.hello do
<JDubs> "dolly"
<JDubs> end.should == "<hello>dolly</hello>"
<JDubs> but my output is <hello></hello>
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<hoelzro> ok
<JDubs> I'm having trouble processing the "dolly" part
<hoelzro> what's code your code look like?
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<hoelzro> JDubs: line 12
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<hoelzro> you're not doing anything with the value from the block
<JDubs> what do you mean?
<hoelzro> yield(block)
<samotarnik> hello. how can i use a generic argument in alias_method? i would like for every method in a certain class to "puts __callee__" before it is executed. how do i do that?
<hoelzro> well, that also doesn't make a lot of sense
<JDubs> hoelzro: doesn't that run the block?
<hoelzro> you're giving the block a reference to itself?
<hoelzro> just yield
<JDubs> I thought that would make it recursive?
<JDubs> so it will build a stack
<JDubs> and can make tags inside of other tags
<hoelzro> you don't need to do that
<hoelzro> and it's way confusing
<hoelzro> try this: @output_stack << yield
<JDubs> hmmm
<hoelzro> also, you don't use the block in build_no_end
<JDubs> yeah, because i'm still trying to figure out how to access the block when it's a string and not a command
<hoelzro> what do you mean?
<JDubs> I'm not sure, this is my first dynamic program really :/
<JDubs> So I'm kind of stumbling my way through lol
<hoelzro> heh
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<JDubs> btw, what you should made the next test pass, now I have to fix my nesting though.
<JDubs> so I'll tinker with that and be back with more questions I'm sure! :) Will you be here?
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<hoelzro> I'm always here =)
<hoelzro> well, except when I'm not.
<hoelzro> but I'm always in the channel (thanks to tmux), so I'll see your questions
<hoelzro> I might pop out for lunch, though
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<JDubs> cool! :)
<samotarnik> how can one define a 'before_method' in ruby? i.e. a method that gets called before every other method?
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<arturaz> samotarnik, you can't without evil mockery
<arturaz> why do you want ti?
<arturaz> why do you want it?
<arturaz> samotarnik, unless, of course, you define a proxy object.
<samotarnik> let's say i call length on a string instance. what i would like is to have a "puts String: length" before that printed out
<hoelzro> samotarnik: you mean before *every* method, or just length?
<samotarnik> every one
<hoelzro> ok
<hoelzro> that's evil
<hoelzro> but you could probably do it with a mixin
<samotarnik> for length i could use alias_method
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<samotarnik> but how do i do it for every method?
<arturaz> samotarnik, WHY do you need it?
<JDubs> cool! :)
<samotarnik> don't kill me: rails introspection...
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<samotarnik> i'm lost in rails' stack, trying to figure out some authorization issues i'm having with some rails engine. and i would like to do this for ActiveRecord based classes, to see what is getting called and when
<samotarnik> does that make sense?
<Hanmac_> samotarnik you could try to anoy them on #rubyonrails
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<samotarnik> LOL
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<samotarnik> it is a ruby issue though...
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<samotarnik> afk
<Hanmac_> why do we need to fix it when rails is shitty?
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<crocket> Can ruby make me precious?
<keyvan> my precious...
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<crocket> Can ruby get me a better job?
<codecaster> depends on what's your current job
<Hanmac_> if you curse yourself with learning rails ---
<crocket> codecaster, If you compare a ruby job to my current job, almost any ruby job would be better than mine.
<crocket> I was hired as a programmer, but my job is boss's secretary now.
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<zeroXten> So, what kind of fun consequences would there be when doing: class NilClass \n def [](x) \n nil \n end \n end ?
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<waxjar> nothing? nil[anything] would simply return nil
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<reppard> good morning people
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<JDubs> Need some help with nesting please, it's not working :( http://pastie.org/5510515
<zeroXten> waxjar: yup, so something like x[:this][:does][:not][:exist] will return nil instead of throwing an exception. But, I'm wondering whether that is likely to break either ruby internals or common approaches in ruby apps
<JDubs> error: Failure/Error: end.should == "<hello><goodbye/></hello>"
<JDubs> expected: "<hello><goodbye/></hello>"
<JDubs> got: "</hello>" (using ==)
<waxjar> i don't see why it would, NilClass doesn't have an #[] method, so unless it's implemented by some library you're using, it won't cause any problems.
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<waxjar> zeroXten: google for the Null Object pattern, i think it'll be relevant
<Hanmac_> Jdubs show us your code you use for testing
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<JDubs> sorry took so long, had to grab a ladder for pest control guy lol
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<Hanmac_> the problem is the output stack ... andwhy dont you use something like nokogiri ?
<JDubs> I don't know what that is...I'm writing this as a learning exercise btw
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<Hanmac_> nokogiri is an cool xml parser and generator
<JDubs> oh i see, well using that would defeat the purpose of the exercise ;)
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<JDubs> Hanmac_ so any ideas? I've been tinkering with this part for over an hour, can't figure out a solution
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<JonnieCache> JDubs: "<hello><goodbye/></hello>" is invalid xml
<JonnieCache> and nokogiri wont generate invalid xml
<JonnieCache> actually no it isnt because goodbye is a self closing tag...
<JonnieCache> hmm dont know
<JDubs> JonnieCache, that's fine if it is, I'm simply doing an exercise and trying to match the test case
<JDubs> I can't get the nesting to work
<JDubs> :(
<JonnieCache> post your code
<zeroXten> thanks waxjar
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<waxjar> i suspect you did something wrong with implementing the block JDubs
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<JDubs> waxjar: Probably, I'm very new to using blocks and this is also my first dynamic program.
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<mage_> hello
<JDubs> mage_ hello! o/
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<mage_> any idea how to setup RVM + daemontools ?
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<zeroXten> waxjar: having quickly read the wiki page, wouldn't my monkey patch be better than current behaviour?
<mage_> and it fails with:
<mage_> $rvm_path (/usr/local/rvm) does not exist./home/jcigar/.rvm/scripts/rvm: line 167: rvm_is_a_shell_function: command not found
<mage_> /home/jcigar/.rvm/scripts/rvm: line 178: __rvm_teardown: command not found
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<JDubs> waxjar: any suggestions?
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<waxjar> JDubs: ruby methods return only their last expression, in this case build_end(x)
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<waxjar> so what you want to do is add them to @output_stack and return output stack, probably
<JDubs> waxjar: The last part of the method is Make
<JDubs> make joins the stack and returns it
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<waxjar> oh right
<JDubs> waxjar: Sorry, my formatting was bad there :(
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<JDubs> mage_ I'd help you but I'm not proficient in that sorry :(
<JDubs> mage_ if you are patient someone will help you though I bet
<waxjar> JDubs: also read up on method_missing, you didn't implement it correctly right now.
<waxjar> you forgot to call super, and the second argument should be an array: method_missing(method, *args, &block)
<mage_> RVM is really a PITA
<mage_> is there any alternative ?
<waxjar> mage_: rbenv and chruby are popular
<waxjar> make sure to uninstall rvm (rvm implode i believe) if you go with rbenv, they don't work together
<mage_> I'll take a look, thanks
<JDubs> waxjar: why do I need super? I thought super called the same function on the next class up?
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<waxjar> in case you decide not to do anything, e.g. none of the ifs/elsifs match
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<JDubs> waxjar: why would it be super and not yield? I thought super was for when you are using a subclass, and want to send the command to the same function of a parent class?
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<waxjar> JDubs: every Ruby object is a subclass of Object, which is a subclass of BasicObject (iirc)
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<waxjar> right now, the methods of those classes can't be called because you don't call super in method_missing if none of your ifs/elsifs return true
<JonnieCache> mage_: rbenv is good
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<mage_> JonnieCache: better than chruby ?
<JDubs> waxjar: so I just need to add an else super?
<waxjar> yes
<mage_> rbenv seems unmaintained ..?
<hoelzro> method_missing won't get called if the method definition is present in Object/BasicObject
<JonnieCache> mage_: rbenv just works. its very simple. it doesnt need much work doing on it
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<mage_> ok :)
<JonnieCache> mage_: most new work happens on the ruby-build project which is separate
<jsilver> go rvm
<JDubs> waxjar: after adding super, I now get this error: Failure/Error: @xml.hello do
<JDubs> NoMethodError:
<JDubs> undefined method `hello' for #<XmlDocument:0x000000015da858 @output_stack=[]>
<jsilver> www.rvm.io
<JonnieCache> mage_: rbenv doesnt actually build ruby, it requires ruby-build which integrates with it
<JonnieCache> mage_: ruby-build's last commit was 6 days ago
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<hoelzro> JDubs: you're calling super from method_missing?
<JDubs> hoelzro: that's what waxjar said I needed to add, unless I misunderstood him
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<hoelzro> you shouldn't
<hoelzro> because then it will call method_missing from Object (or BasicObject, I can't remember), which throws an exception
<waxjar> that means your if or els if doesn't match JDubs :)
<waxjar> so you found the problem area :)
<hoelzro> where is this if/elsif?
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<waxjar> hoelzro, always call super in method_missing if you decide not to act :)
<hoelzro> oh, then it's ok
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<hoelzro> I figured the JDubs wouldn't want to in his case, since he's building an XML generator
<hoelzro> unless this is for something new?
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<JDubs> hoelzro What do you mean
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<hoelzro> I think that I'm misunderstanding something.
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<waxjar> yea, i didn't attempt to understand the logic, but with an if .. els if, there's always the possibility of deciding not to act, in which case you would use super
<waxjar> but it seems you would want to use an if else here JDubs, if block_given? yield else build_tag
<hoelzro> ok, I see now
<hoelzro> I don't think JDubs has a situation where he wants to call super, since he's using method_missing to generate XML tags of the same name as the called method
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<waxjar> yes
<hoelzro> also, that second condition will never succeed, will it?
<hoelzro> oh, nvm
<hoelzro> I misread it
<JDubs> man, i'm starting to think I'm never going to get this damn thing working...
<JDubs> :/
<hoelzro> although '&& block_given?' is redundant
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<waxjar> i think you get an empty array if no arguments are passed, so that will never pass, no
<hoelzro> waxjar is right about the args to method_missing, though
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<JDubs> updated code: http://pastie.org/5510722 nesting still not working
<hoelzro> JDubs: what does the nesting code look like?
<hoelzro> also, that else on line 15 will never trigger, will it?
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<JDubs> hoelzro: do you mean the input or the output?
<hoelzro> JDubs: the input
<JDubs> @xml.hello do
<JDubs> @xml.goodbye
<JDubs> should come out to "<hello><goodbye/></hello>"
<JDubs> oops
<JDubs> there should be an end in there as well
<JDubs> but you know what i meant :)
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<hoelzro> and what does the output look like?
<JDubs> "<hello><goodbye/></hello>"
<JDubs> but i'm just getting "</hello>"
<hoelzro> and what do you expect?
<hoelzro> oh
<hoelzro> well
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<hoelzro> you're smashing your @output_stack
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<JDubs> smashing?
<hoelzro> when @xml.goodbye returns
<hoelzro> you call make
<hoelzro> which resets your output stack
<JDubs> oh dayyum lol
<JDubs> xD
<hoelzro> =)
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<JDubs> hoelzro: okay it's a bit better now, but now i'm getting too many tags back
<JDubs> getting this now : "<hello><goodbye/><hello><goodbye/></hello>"
<hoelzro> what'd you change?
<JDubs> i simply took out the stack reset
<hoelzro> honestly, I wouldn't bother with a stack at the moment.
<JDubs> I don't really know how to do it without a stack...
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<hoelzro> [ build_start(symbol), yield, build_end(symbol) ].join
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<JDubs> hmmm
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<JDubs> hoelzro: i tried changing it to your way,i made it worse lol
<hoelzro> JDubs: care to paste the update?
<JDubs> hoelzro: what was wrong with the stack?
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<hoelzro> JDubs: you were gathering values, and then you return them after resetting the stack
<hoelzro> actually, that may work
<hoelzro> so when goodbye returns, its contents are ['<hello>', '<goodbye />']
<JDubs> ?
<hoelzro> I just think it's overly complicated, but that's my opinion
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<JDubs> ?
<JDubs> oops
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<foucist> JDubs: having lots of fun eh? first rpn calculator now xml generator?
<JDubs> foucist: yeah lol
<JDubs> I finished the RPN calculator btw
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<JDubs> the problem was that I didn't understand the concept, once I finally understood how it was supposed to work i finished it rather quickly :)
<foucist> JDubs: can you show me?
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<mage_> JonnieCache: I've installed rbenv, but when I rbenv global 1.9.2-p320 and then I use ruby -v it still show 1.8.7 .. any idea ..?
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<JDubs> sure let me get the code
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<JDubs> foucist: http://pastie.org/5510807
<JDubs> hoelzro: any idea what's wrong with it now? maybe i need to start over from scratch?
<hoelzro> JDubs: could you paste the latest?
<JDubs> hoelzro: http://pastie.org/5510812
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<hoelzro> JDubs: you didn't remove the output stack entirely
<hoelzro> it probably won't work until you do that
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<mage_> http://pastie.org/5510815 : any idea why rbevn doesn't work ?
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<mage_> rbenv*
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<waxjar> did you open a new shell mage_?
<JDubs> hoelzro: Ok i removed the remnants, still not working though
<JDubs> Failure/Error: @xml.hello(:name => 'dolly').should == "<hello name='dolly'/>"
<JDubs> expected: "<hello name='dolly'/>"
<JDubs> got: [{:name=>"dolly"}]
<mage_> waxjar: yes
<waxjar> what does rbenv version give you?
<mage_> 1.9.2-p320 (set by /home/jcigar/.rbenv/version)
<mage_> and rbenv which ruby :
<mage_> /home/jcigar/.rbenv/versions/1.9.2-p320/bin/ruby
<JDubs> hoelzro: I fixed it xD
<hoelzro> awesome!
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<JDubs> hoelzro: I would like to figure out how to implement it in the method I was attempting before as well though
<JDubs> hoelzro with the stack
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<JDubs> hoelzro: or would that be silly?
<hoelzro> I just don't think it's necessary
<waxjar> and rbenv global mage_?
<mage_> 1.9.2-p320
<waxjar> hmm, strange
<mage_> this is with zsh
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<waxjar> did you add the two lines to your .bash_profile (or whatever zsh uses to configure stuff :p)
<mage_> only the export PATH="$HOME/.rbenv/bin:$PATH"
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<foucist> JDubs: what's the point of #tokens in the rpncalculator?
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<mage_> waxjar: ok it works now
<mage_> I forgot the rbenv init, thank you
<waxjar> :)
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<JDubs> foucist: to take a string and store it as data to be used later
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<foucist> ah
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<redmaverick> I am using ReXML xml parser but I am not able to get the values from the xml [<aws:Rank> ... </>] [<aws:LinksInCount> ... </>] any help?
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<redmaverick> print "Links in count: " @links = REXML::XPath.each(@xml,"//aws:LinksInCount"){|el| puts el.text} print "Rank: " @response = REXML::XPath.each(@xml,"//aws:Rank"){|el| puts el.text}
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<nw> REXML::XPath.each(@xml, "//aws:Rank", { "aws" => "http://foobar.com" })
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<nw> of course, you'll have to replace http://foobar.com with the real url of the aws namespace
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<odin_> how do I find out which dependency insists on "ffi 1.0.11" that doesn't exist for windows, someone "yanked" it without putting in a replacement!
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<atmosx> this ffi is a pain on mac also
<atmosx> but we have macports
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<odin_> Gemfile.lock shows "ffi (1.0.11)" as a top level item but it is not declared as such in Gemfile
<odin_> I have 1.0.9 and 1.2.0 of ffi provided by the runtime install
<odin_> but bundle insists on wanting 1.0.11 and I can not see which deps is force that,
<redmaverick> aws is in the xml document.
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<odin_> can I delete Gemfile.lock ?
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<odin_> should Gemfile.lock be checked into source control management ?
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<elaptics> odin_: generally yes
<chiel> yes
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<odin_> well blowing it away and running "bundle install" has made it decide it is happy with "ffi (1.2.0)" which I do have installed, why it didn't do that update before I do not know, "bundle update" just eats CPU for 30mins doing nothing
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<odin_> is there a "bundle install --use-local-if-exists" mode ?
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<maasha> Hello
<odin_> or a "bundle install --use-local-if-native-part-exists" mode ?
<Hanmac_> odin_ #bundler
<odin_> you have a whole channel for it! heh, thanks
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<maasha> I am looking for a way to write a wrapper around this C program that is invoked like this: mummer [options] <reference file> <query file1> . . . [query file32], but I want to avoid disk IO. What are the options. popen3 and?
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<maasha> I Perl I think one would go with a C extension and adapters for the files.
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<maasha> s/^I/In/
<hoelzro> maasha: if you would write an XS extension with Perl, why not write a C extension with Ruby?
<odin_> perl is better! /me ducks
<hoelzro> odin_: I am also a fan of Perl =)
<hoelzro> it pays my bills, and remains the language I use most
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<maasha> hoelzro: so I was reading the chaptor on how to do this in the Ruby Cookbook, but I was not really enlightened on how to deal with the fact that his "mummer" program reads files from disk. I want to avoid the Disk IO overhead.
<Hanmac_> maasha you could only use c extensions when you have libs and header files in the case of mummer you need popen, C-Extension shoulsd not work
<maasha> The example in the cookbook is limited.
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<hoelzro> maasha: I'm confused; you want to do what mummer does, but without directing mummer's output to a file?
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<maasha> hoelzro: I dont want to write the input data to files first. I want to pipe it directly to the program without touching the disk.
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<hoelzro> right
<maasha> Hanmac_: right
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<hoelzro> you mentioned Perl extensions, so I think you might be able to do the same with Ruby
<hoelzro> if you just want to do it with pipes, Ruby has fork and pipe just like Perl
<maasha> hoelzro: yes, so I was looking into it - and didn't really find anything - and then I asked here :o)
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<hoelzro> pipe happens to be on IO
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<maasha> yeah, so how will that impair speed?
<hoelzro> fork + pipe?
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<maasha> using popen3 compared to a C extension
<maasha> if the latter is somehow possible.
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<hoelzro> well, you incur IO overhead, system call overhead, and the overhead of starting another process
<hoelzro> but sometimes pipes are the only way
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<maasha> hoelzro: on a unix system you can create dummy /dev/something files to fool such programs?
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<maasha> I vaguely remembers something like that.
<hoelzro> maasha: you mean like /dev/fd/*?
<hoelzro> for process substitution?
<maasha> hoelzro: not sure. I am exploring possibilities.
<hoelzro> if you have the option, I would make an extension in C
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<maasha> hoelzro: I guess I have the option, but how?
<hoelzro> maasha: README.EXT in the ruby source details the C API
<hoelzro> the Ruby C API is actually quite nice
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<Hanmac_> hoelzro in the case of mummer there is no header file as far as i could see
<hoelzro> ah
<maasha> hoelzro: yup. read that one (I did play around a lot with inline C)
<hoelzro> well, then I amend my earlier statement: s/possible/reasonable/
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<hoelzro> if you don't have the header files and you aren't meant to, I consider it unreasonable =)
<hoelzro> unless you like that sort of thing ;)
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<maasha> There is an alternative (possibly faster) implementation of mummer: http://compbio.cs.princeton.edu/mems/
<maasha> I dont know if that has the same limitation?
<Hanmac_> he could do it using the sourcecode of mummer ... but i would not recoment it, and for the secound i didnt look at the code ...
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<hoelzro> I think that's reasonable, depending on the condition of the source
<maasha> The mem code is very short and tight
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<Hanmac_> maasha: i need to say it: when you want to make an C-Extension without access to the header files, you mostly need to write it all by your self ...
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<Hanmac_> when you have header files it does the most job for you ... you only need to convert the output and the input
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<maasha> Hanmac_: right. I just heard this guy talking about how easy this was in Perl where you could use an "adaptor" to deal with the input file requirement.
<maasha> So exploring possibilities :o)
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<Hanmac_> with convert i mean that in your binding when you bind an C(++) lib you need to take care to turn the ruby values into the curespondign C(++) values and back
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<hoelzro> the nice thing about XS is it handles the translation between Perl types and C/C++ types
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<hoelzro> the nasty thing about it is sometimes it screws it up
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<hoelzro> and the Perl C API is not fun to look at
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<maasha> hoelzro: no, here Ruby is much nicer
<odin_> hmm I initialize my windows environment for PSDK v7.1 x86 Release and "ml.exe" and "cl.exe" and nmake.exe just work, but still it says I need build tools
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<odin_> hmm ok I need to match with the runtime I have install, never gonna happen in a short space of time
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<Hanmac_> hoelzro i does not trust automatic converters like swiq
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<odin_> why do so many native parts get YANKED ? is that a code quality/malware issue ?
<shevy> windows is a big virus
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<odin_> indeed but Linux based IDEs are shite
<maasha> swig seems like black magic
<shevy> yeah
<odin_> maybe wayland will fix that but I've a year to wait, until then win7 is best
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<shevy> linux is an incompetent noob when it comes to GUIs in general
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<jrajav> OS X doesn't exist anymore?
<jrajav> Shit, today IS a bad day
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<shevy> OSX is a very expensive religion
<shevy> with good software
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<maasha> Right, I gotta go. Will think more about this.
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<jrajav> I see you've memorized all the appropriate taglines to dismiss that which you haven't invested in :P
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<shevy> not when I have to pay indeed :>
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<jrajav> Considering that my computer takes up such a huge portion of my life, I consider $1000 every 3-4 years to be a very reasonable investment
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<jrajav> At least they haven't moved to a subscription plan
<jrajav> Yet
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<odin_> ah you presume that you can do everyone on that 1 PC, no if i want MacOSX I need to by it as a 3rd machine
<jrajav> I *do* do everything on my one laptop
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<odin_> I'm not much of a laptop users, could never get serious stuff done on it, too slow
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<jrajav> Too slow for what? Doing some data processing? Cracking passwords?
<jrajav> Running Crysis 2?
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<odin_> typing/coding/gui work
<jrajav> You could get a 2011 macbook and it would be fast enough for anything but eclipse
<odin_> ah that is one of my apps that is always open
<jrajav> And I don't mean "fast enough to bear" I mean that you literally will not see delay for nearly any normal task
<jrajav> My condolences
<jrajav> ... Unless you are not being forced to use it
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<jrajav> Then I have no pity
<odin_> but I can run Eclipse+IntelliJ+FF and other dev tools without issue and Win7 is fine for that
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<jrajav> I do not believe for one goddamn second that eclipse is reasonably fast and usable on Windows any more than OS X
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<jrajav> In fact, I don't believe for a second that Windows is faster and more fluid on equivalent hardware than OS X
<odin_> Juno/RTM/SR1 has some serious regressions
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<jrajav> Today and historically it is precisely the opposite
<hoelzro> Hanmac_: neither do I
<odin_> no its more fluid than linux
<jrajav> With an SSD in a recent macbook it's just about the best and fastest dev machine you can work on
<jrajav> By the way, I develop on a Windows machine at work, and I've worked with just about every major IDE on several platforms
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<jrajav> Not that I would pollute my macbook with an IDE these days
<JonnieCache> jrajav: do you not find osx still thrashes a lot for you? even with an SSD?
<jrajav> thrashes?
<JonnieCache> with an SSD and 10.8 its a lot better but it still thrashes
<jrajav> What is thrashes
<JonnieCache> you know, churns the disk like crazy and slows to a halt for 15 seconds while it pages in and out gigabytes of data for no reason
<jrajav> Oh, that's an issue with OCZ
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<jrajav> The debate rages about whether OCZ or Apple is really to blame, but with OCZ's track record I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt
<JonnieCache> nono this is something thats actually mitigated by having an ssd
<jrajav> Definitely don't buy an SSD from *them* for a mac
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<jrajav> Then I guess I don't know what you're talking about
<david`> http://plug.dj/deep-lounge-chill-house/ if anyone want to listen/play (house only) :)
<JonnieCache> it was much worse before i had an ssd, but thats also probably because i had half the ram
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<jrajav> If I've experienced that, it's been mild enough that I never noticed it...
<JonnieCache> jrajav: its a common complaint amongst os x users. os x just has some weird stuff in its memory management
<jrajav> No arguments there
<jrajav> But arguably, it's better than most alternatives
<sonne> does $config have any special meaning in ruby? or can i use it at will for my own stuff?
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<jrajav> I do know that it have some very odd paging behavior
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<JonnieCache> jrajav: thats pretty much what im talking about
<JonnieCache> jrajav: im guessing youve probably always had more ram than me relative to the need
<JonnieCache> the problem is very bad when youre low on ram and using a lot of memory
<jrajav> Wouldn't doubt it. I intentionally keep things pretty minimal
<jrajav> The heaviest things I run are Chrome, iTerm, and Macvim
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<JonnieCache> ah right
<jrajav> That's pretty much ALL I run, actually :P
<JonnieCache> well try context switching between a windows 7 VM and a photoshop instance and watch it wince like youve just hit it in the ribs with a hammer
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<JonnieCache> obviously thats expected to an extent but its sometimes WAY worse than it should be
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<JonnieCache> (and yes im aware that im misusing "context switch" there :P)
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<atmosx> to get UTC time, should I Time.utc(Time.now.to_s) ?
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<jrajav> JonnieCache: Yeah, cutting your ram in half and then stuffing adobe into the gap will do it :P
<JonnieCache> fortunately now i have a new job with a much faster computer and no frontend responsibilities, and a whole separate box for running windows VMs on. woohoo!
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<jrajav> They have some beautiful, powerful software, but DAMN, baby got back
<JonnieCache> jrajav: the point is its way worse than on windows or linux in that situation
<jrajav> With the same amount of ram? Running a VM at the same time?
<burgestrand> atmosx: no
<burgestrand> atmosx: did you try that one? What does it give you?
<JonnieCache> obviously it will slow down, but it wont make you worried that its about to physically melt your computer
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<burgestrand> atmosx: what you want is Time#utc not Time.utc
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<jrajav> I'm not saying OS X doesn't have issues, and I've heard of the exact things you're talking about, but in my experience I've always had more trouble with Windows and Linux. One of the reasons I prefer OS X is that it just works, on every level.
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<atmosx> burgestrand: returns always 0 time so its wrong
<jrajav> Also BSD/Next is sexy.
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<atmosx> but I found Time.now.utc :D
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<burgestrand> atmosx: :)
<burgestrand> atmosx: Time#utc
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<JonnieCache> the other thing my mac does is swap like CRAZY when i first hit the keyboard in the morning. what has it been doing at night to swap out my apps?
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<Hanmac_> atmosx Time.now.utc
<JonnieCache> it literally stops dead for almost a minute sometimes
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<JonnieCache> again, the new box isnt so bad
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<JonnieCache> but yeah at the end of the day thats the same reason i use os x, because its BSD That Works Well(tm) despite its memory management flaws
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<atmosx> JonnieCache: mine too
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<atmosx> JonnieCache: but I have a program (kerel module) to log keyboard shortcuts, till you mentioned I thought that was the main reason sometimes the keyboard almost 'stalled'.
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<JonnieCache> to be fair its probably doing some useful stuff at night but i wish it would just swap my apps back in before i got to work
<atmosx> Although I had this keyloggerd installed with Lion also and didn't had issues.
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<atmosx> JonnieCache: you never shutdown the mac?
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* atmosx has a laptop
<JonnieCache> atmosx: at weekends i do
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<JonnieCache> but tbh i use this laptop as a desktop. its just good to be able to pick it up and take it to client meetings occasionally
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<atmosx> macbook pro?
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<atmosx> I have a macbook air that comes with me all the time. My iPad (1st version) never comes along, only the mba.
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<atmosx> Got to get some sleep.
<atmosx> Cya ppl
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* Hanmac_ has an selfbuilded mini pc ( it is smaller than midi) ... it has QuadCore Cpu and space for 7!-HDDs inside the chasis
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<digitalcakestudi> is there a way to see if an item is found in a array for use in a condition? example if i == [1, 2, 3].find(i)
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<banisterfiend> digitalcakestudi: if [1,2,3].include?(i)
<digitalcakestudi> thank you
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<lurch_> where does the "gem environment" command find the location of the ruby executable and the ruby version? I tried overriding RUBY_HOME, RUBYLIB, GEM_HOME, GEM_PATH, prepended install directory to $PATH, but it still uses the one in /usr/bin instead of the one in /opt/upnxt: http://pastebin.com/AYCXie23
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<lurch_> If i run ruby -v or which ruby, I get the correct one (1.9.3p327) in /opt/upnxt. Also, can't use rvm
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<lurch_> also, for some reason, strace shows "gem environment" is looking for "libruby.so.1.8", not "1.9"
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<lejonet> I'm trying to find what the % operator is called when you call it on a string, searching for string substition is only yielding results with .sub and .gsub (I'm trying to find information how I'd do if I have more than 1 %s in a string I want to replace with % (bla, bleh))
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<hoelzro> legiao: format operator?
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<lejonet> ah yeah, that might be the right name for it, as it's like the printf type of replacement
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<lurch_> or string interpolation ?
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<lejonet> well string interpolation is the #{} thingies
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<lurch_> guess it's just syntactic sugar for #{} though
<lejonet> probably
<JDubs> Hey guys, anyone wanna critique my code? It works, just want to know how I can improve in my methods/formatting etc :)
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<lejonet> ah, it wanted me to use [] to give % an array and not (), makes perfect sense as () only delimits a statement and make sure it's run before the insertion
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<IvelfanFr> Hello everybody
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<IvelfanFr> I wanna learn Ruby, do you have some links which teach easily and slowly Ruby ?
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<jim80net> My $.02 => http://rubymonk.com
<IvelfanFr> jim80net > Thanks
<IvelfanFr> jim80net++
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<jim80net> The Book of Ruby (No Starch Press) is how i learned of ruby, and it's also a fantastic resource. IMHO
<JonnieCache> IvelfanFr: the key thing as ever is to learn by doing
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<JDubs> Hey guys
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<JDubs> o/
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<JDubs> Anyone willing to look at some code and tell me if there is any way to slim it down a bit? It feels pretty redundant
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<tommyvyo> JDubs post it in a gist
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<tommyvyo> dont ask to ask :) just ask!
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<JDubs> tommyvyo: http://pastie.org/5511692
<JDubs> Hey Apeiros_ haven't seen you here in a while!
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<lurch_> JDubs: have you looked into the humanize gem? might be helpful: https://github.com/radar/humanize
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<JDubs> lurch_ what does it do?
<bean> you could click the link and see
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<bean> ;)
<lurch_> converts a number to a string
<lurch_> [321007310, "three hundred and twenty-one million, seven thousand, three hundred and ten"],
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<JDubs> lurch_ cool, I'm writing this for an exercise though :)
<JDubs> just trying to learn, and improve my methodology and formatting
<JDubs> :)
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<lurch_> you can always look at the code for hints or compare how they did it
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<JonnieCache> use the source, luke!
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<JDubs> JonnieCache: who are you talking to lol
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<JonnieCache> you
<eka> yes me
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<apeiros_> hi JDubs
<apeiros_> well, I was here most of the time :)
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<apeiros_> but right now I'll be afk
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<JonnieCache> eka: i kinda stole the name from the alias of the author of some hacking books anyway
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<JonnieCache> also im prevented from using the name for music because of this guy :( http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jon+E+Cash
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<JonnieCache> who i actually knew about when i chose the name. stupid.
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<JDubs> apeiros_ really? i've been looking for your name in the sidebar, haven't seen it till today
<eka> JonnieCache: and this is you? https://soundcloud.com/jonnie-cache
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<JonnieCache> yeah thats me
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<JonnieCache> none of my actual music on there though
<JonnieCache> that track at the top is my friends, i was just testing soundclouds new "repost" feature
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<JDubs> apeiros_ really? i've been looking for your name in the sidebar, haven't seen it till today
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<apeiros_> JDubs: I'd just type the nick and hit tab. easier IMO :)
<bean> gah, bitten by the Array.to_s difference between 1.8 and 1.9 again. Silly people at work that still use 1.8 as their default :(
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<apeiros_> who in his right mind uses Array#to_s anyway? o0
<bean> someone who doesn't write ruby very often
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<bean> I don't think he knew that File.readlines returns an array.
<apeiros_> o0
<JDubs> lol
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<csmrfx> 8)
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<drinkspiller> hello friends. I came across some unfamiliar syntax in some inherited code. What is the function of the TWO double-arrows in this code: https://gist.github.com/4260774
<Marius> hi, could someone point me good init.d script for sinatrarb app?
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<gbchaosmaster> drinkspiller: It's a heredoc.
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<JDubs> lolsooooo what's up guys
<drinkspiller> I am familiar with heredoc, but everywhere else it uses @head_tags = <<-EOStr ... not @head_tags << <<-EOStr (note two sets of <<)
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<JDubs> drinkspiller: ill explain for ya
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<JDubs> drinkspiller the first << means to append
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<JDubs> when you add a string to a << like this: <<STRING or <<sTring it becomes a heredoc
<drinkspiller> got it
<JDubs> but when the << is by itself, with nothing connected to the right of it, it is an append
<JDubs> :)
<drinkspiller> cheers, JDubs
<JDubs> drinkspiller: No prob! Glad to help
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<gbchaosmaster> There are a few programming languages that also use the left bitshift operator as an insertion operator, Ruby is one of 'em.
<drinkspiller> thx, gbchaosmaster
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<JonnieCache> Marius: you dont need an init.d script, because ruby webapps are typically run inside apache via an adapter
<JonnieCache> Marius: a little like php
<JonnieCache> Marius: see http://www.modrails.com/
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<Virunga> Hi guys, i have a strange error here and i can't figure out what's the cause, could you help me, please? http://pastie.org/5512296 The row 27 is the 3rd in the paste
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<eka> Virunga: what is d? what's the content?
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<Virunga> I forgot it, it's a string d = "#{REPORT_DIR}/#{params['node']['name']}"
<Virunga> eka: ^
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<eka> Virunga: did you try with params[:node][:name] L
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<eka> ?
<_porque> hello world!
<eka> _porque: why?
<_porque> can someone please make me turn a cURL into a net/http request? https://gist.github.com/4260697
<_porque> eka, why what?
<banisterfiend> Virunga: is this your family http://i.imgur.com/wG4Jw.jpg
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<eka> _porque: just kidding... your name... porque
<_porque> eka, speak portuguese?
<eka> _porque: spanish
<_porque> eka, almost the same hehe
<eka> _porque: ;)
<_porque> eka, can you help me with this curl problem?
<_porque> =)
<Virunga> eka: do you think d is evaluated only when passed as parameter?
<eka> _porque: did you try open-uri?
<_porque> don't even know what is that =)
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<eka> Virunga: did you try that? using symbols instead of strings
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<_porque> eka, thanks....but have you read the link I pasted?
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<Virunga> eka: no because i change "0700" in 00700 and the error changed to TypeError (can't dup Fixnum):
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<Virunga> eka: well, i'll try now
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<Virunga> eka: did it. Not worked :(
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<Virunga> banisterfiend: why?
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<JonnieCache> LOL
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<_porque> eka, just read that but I don't know how it will help me =/
<_porque> can someone please help me with this curl problem? I need to make this work with net/http
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<GeekOnCoffee> _porque: you haven't told us whats wrong
<_porque> GeekOnCoffee, in the link I'm making a net/http request with the information I need, based on my cURL....
<_porque> it is running without errors but doesn't generate the expected results
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<TTilus> ...which would be?
<_porque> create a new Riak bucket
<_porque> using cURL from terminal it works...
<TTilus> what does riak log show?
<_porque> nothing
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<Guest___> what's the equivalent of Rails.root for ruby?
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<TTilus> asteve: there is no
<GeekOnCoffee> asteve: there's __FILE__
<TTilus> asteve: unless you happen to mean current working dir, which is not the same thing, but might still be what you want
<GeekOnCoffee> but it doesn't really work the way Rails.rootdoes
<asteve> right
<TTilus> asteve: why dont you tell what you are trying to do and well be way better informed and maybe able to help
<TTilus> asteve: trying to locate resources?
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<arkiver> I am trying to create a JSON object. I am having some trouble interpolating an object within the json. I tried this: http://pastie.org/5512293 But its not working. Any solution for this ?
<canton7> you can only interpolate within double quotes, not single quotes
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<canton7> so a = 'bar'; s1 = 'foo #{a}'; s2 = "foo #{a}". only s2 == 'foo bar'
<arkiver> canton7, you mean the outer most single quotes?
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<canton7> yeah
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<canton7> so you either want "{\"customer\"... " or %Q[{"customer" .... ]
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<canton7> (%Q is equivalent to double quotes, and %q equivalent to single quotes)
<TTilus> arkiver: im a bit puzzled, what Rails.root has to do with that?
<the_jeebster> anyone know of a realtime whois database with dev friendly API?
<canton7> the_jeebster, just google 'ruby whois' - there are plenty of whois parsers out there
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<the_jeebster> canton7: yeah just found a few. thanks good sir!
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<arkiver> canton7, So i tried obj = JSON('{"customer": {"phone_mobile" : %Q[#{obj.phone_mobile}]}}') and obj = JSON("{"customer": {"phone_mobile" : %Q[#{obj.phone_mobile}]}}")
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<arkiver> throws a parse/syntax error :-/
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<arkiver> TTilus, I haven't mentioned anything about a Rails.root !
<TTilus> arkiver: sorry, mixed you with asteve
<arkiver> TTilus, No probs :)
<TTilus> arkiver: take a ruby tutorial and look at string literals closely
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<TTilus> arkiver: you still have non-interpolating literal
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<TTilus> arkiver: your outemost quotes need to be of the kind, for which str interpolation is done
<TTilus> arkiver: single quotes arent
<asteve> TTilus: I need to open a file that is generally 3 levels above the ruby file that's executing; with Rails.root I can move the file anywhere and it works
<canton7> arkiver, that's not what I said
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<canton7> JSON(%Q[{"customer": {"phone_mobile" : "#{person_obj.phone_mobile}"}}])
<canton7> arkiver, ^^
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<arkiver> canton7, Ohhh sorry saw your answer again.
<TTilus> asteve: magic consant __FILE__ is your friend
<davidcelis> arkiver: you also started the JSON string with a single quote and ended it with a double quote.
<davidcelis> arkiver: your quotes are mismatched
<canton7> arkiver, or JSON("{\"customer\": { <etc > }}")
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<davidcelis> oh nevermind, those are two different calls
<TTilus> asteve: look up that and File.join and .dirname
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<arkiver> I'll do it the right way and try it out
<ahemard> sup noobs
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<TTilus> not much
<TTilus> (haha, u see the pun!)
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<asteve> TTilus: ya, I'm using File.join
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<asteve> but __FILE__ is the location of the current file right?
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<TTilus> asteve: exactly
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<asteve> right, if I move the file down one directory __FILE__ doesn't help
* arkiver it works :D
<asteve> I'm trying to avoid hardcoded paths
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<TTilus> File.dirname(__FILE__) is really common idiom
<davidcelis> $:.unshift File.dirname(__FILE__)
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<asteve> what does $:.unshift do?
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<TTilus> asteve: so how would you cope with changing relative path when using Rails.root?
<davidcelis> Puts the current file's directory into the LOAD_PATH
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<TTilus> davidcelis: problem was that the file location is not fixed wrt the code file
<asteve> TTilus: Rails.root is always a constant and the file I'm trying to load is always in Rails.root/config/file
<TTilus> asteve: ah, just place the path resolution in a code file thet is in a constant relative path from the conf dir
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<arkiver> Also I suppose there is no Class for JSON? It is mentioned that to_json "Returns a JSON string representing the model". so obj.to_json.class Return Hash in my case!
<TTilus> asteve: or use Dir.pwd, whichever scratches your itch
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<TTilus> asteve: you could have module MyApp def self.a_path; ... end; end in lib/my_app.rb, and then use MyApp.a_file
<canton7> arkiver, not that I know of. Also ob.to_json.class should be String :P
<canton7> JSON('some json').class should be HAsh
<csmrfx> hash literal
<csmrfx> string presentation
<canton7> or array
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<canton7> (literal)
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<TTilus> ...or date or str or whatnot rb equivalent the json serialization contained
<arkiver> yep. actually my obj was a hash from the beginning. So a "string".to_json.class returned a String.
<csmrfx> >> require 'json'; JSON.dump( { wot: 0 } )
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "" (http://eval.in/4435)
<csmrfx> >> require 'json'; p JSON.dump( { wot: 0 } )
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "\"{\\\"wot\\\":0}\"\n" (http://eval.in/4436)
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<arkiver> interesting..
<csmrfx> >> require 'json'; p JSON.dump( "string" )
<eval-in> csmrfx: Output: "/execpad/interpreters/ruby-1.9.3-p194/lib/ruby/1.9.1/json/common.rb:216:in `generate': only generation of JSON objects or arrays allowed (JSON::GeneratorError)\n\tfrom /execpad/interpreters/ruby-1.9.3-p1 ..." (http://eval.in/4437)
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<canton7> yeah, outermost json object needs to be object or array
<TTilus> isnt string an object?
<TTilus> what am i missing here?
<csmrfx> JSON
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<TTilus> ah
<TTilus> JSON or Array
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<apeiros_> js object
<apeiros_> and in ruby, that'd be a hash
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<TTilus> naturally
<arkiver> >> require 'json' ; p JSON.dump( {"string" => "string_value"} )
<eval-in> arkiver: Output: "\"{\\\"string\\\":\\\"string_value\\\"}\"\n" (http://eval.in/4439)
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<TTilus> ow im on track again
<csmrfx> I'd think in ruby that'd be a Struct
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<TTilus> other than the access syntax, hash is closer imo
<TTilus> or maybe OpenStruct
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<the_jeebster> are there any services using Ruby for video streaming?
<the_jeebster> wondering if it's feasible/efficient
<banisterfiend> the_jeebster: hulu is ruby iirc
<banisterfiend> the_jeebster: also, spreecast
<csmrfx> probably
<csmrfx> of course, ruby might just be a component
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<the_jeebster> right, just wondering what technlogies to use for video streaming
<the_jeebster> not quite sure how that functionality works and how I'd approach it from an engineering perspective
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<ner0x> the bang line on most methods is *very* convenient.
<havenn> I'm trying to make a Hash#to_struct that converts nested Hashes to Structs as well. Have it working on nest level deep but can't think how to go recursive?: https://gist.github.com/4260488
<havenn> s/on/one
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<apeiros_> havenn: and you create a new struct for every hash?
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<havenn> apeiros_: Yeah, that is what I'm trying to do - if it's a Hash change it to a Struct.
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<apeiros_> sounds wasteful… iirc classes are still not gc'ed, I might be wrong on that, though
<apeiros_> it shouldn't be hard to do… Struct.new(*keys).new(*values)
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<apeiros_> and values.map { …recurse here… } for nested conversion
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<TTilus> havenn: wouldnt OpenStruct work just as well and not leak classes?
<apeiros_> iirc openstruct leaks for some other reason (also rather old knowledge, might not be true anymore)
<TTilus> ah
<havenn> TTilus: I'm just playing around, not meaning it to be used or useful. >.>
<csmrfx> I have somewhere code that makes a openstruck out of hashes
<csmrfx> is this needed?
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<csmrfx> *uct
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<the_jeebster> can someone explain the splat operator? so it's useful for multiple unnamed arguments in that it bundles them up in an array?
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<apeiros_> csmrfx: you mean… like… OpenStruct.new(somehash)?
<TTilus> ok then :) howd it be to create a dot accessor module for hash and just recursively include it into eigenclasses in #to_struct :)
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<TTilus> the_jeebster: it works both ways
<_br_> havenn: Its not so nice as its doing namespace pollution, but this thing is one possible solution, there should be a nicer one easily possible http://pastie.org/5512555
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<TTilus> the_jeebster: in args list it collects the argv tail into array, like def foo(a, b, *rest) and when calling it expands an array to paramlist
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<TTilus> the_jeebster: play around with it in pry and youll see the light :)
<_br_> havenn: here is a recursive one, more clean as it doesn't to pollution
<the_jeebster> TTlius: yeah it seems pretty useful
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<_br_> the_jeebster: can also be use as "explode" operator on arrays
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<apeiros_> _br_: actually that pastie shows why recursive conversion probably is a bad idea
<csmrfx> apeiros_: why do you ask, it's probably your code!
<apeiros_> say you have a set of hashes, it wouldn't get converted
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<gregor3005> whats a good ide for ruby? eclipse?
<csmrfx> No, in fact it is Dave Dribin's code
<csmrfx> gregor3005: vim
<banisterfiend> gregor3005: no one really uses IDEs for ruby dev
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<the_jeebster> _br_: what's the explode operator?
<foucist> gregor3005: try Sublime Text 2, it's very popular
<the_jeebster> iteration through collection?
<_br_> apeiros_: well, it works for my usecases here :)
<gregor3005> csmrfx: can vim autocomplete
<csmrfx> yes
<gregor3005> + easy classhandling?
<havenn> _br_: Awesome! Thanks for the example, helps me wrap my head around it just a tad. :)
<csmrfx> gregor3005: autocomplete, omni complete, codesense style complete
<gregor3005> csmrfx: good to know. thx
<csmrfx> vim is massively featured
<banisterfiend> gregor3005: the cool kids emacs though
<banisterfiend> use emacs*
<csmrfx> makes most "ide"s look like malnutrified sheeple
* jim80net <3's sublime text
* TTilus is a cool kid
<gregor3005> :-)
<csmrfx> hashes2openstruct: http://pastie.org/5512630
<banisterfiend> "sublime text" is just a noob's version of vim/emacs ;)
<TTilus> ive heard there are people using rubymine though
<csmrfx> how do you write that? malnutritioned
<TTilus> not using it
<csmrfx> malnourished?
<_br_> the_jeebster: http://www.rubyinside.com/21-ruby-tricks-902.html point 6, but this is rather obscure, cannot recomment using it.
<csmrfx> emacs is great... for octopi
<the_jeebster> just found that site
<TTilus> so cant tell if it really is of any good
<the_jeebster> what a great resource!
<_br_> havenn: as apeiros_ wrote, please use with care, won't work maybe depending on your input
<havenn> _br_: Roger that!
<JDubs> I wish I could use sublime text...but it goes wonky on my computer and causes strange graphical errors like flashing etc
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<JDubs> :(
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<JohnTeddy> ls
<JohnTeddy> woops, heh
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<csmrfx> also #vim, for the ultimate advice
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<_br_> ahhh 5 am again... -.-
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<canton7> sublime text 2 in vintage mode is fantastic
<TTilus> anyone actually know anybody jusing rubymine?
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<Ziioynx> i tried it but got into sublime text 2 rather quickly
<the_jeebster> I'm in the process of switching b/w textmate and sublime text 2
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<TTilus> last time i checked rubymine had some seriously cool static analysis and refactoring features, but im just so knee-deep emacs guy that an ide approach doesnt work for me
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<csmrfx> static analysis for a dynamic language?
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<lupine> hmm. So i've got a Ruby C extension that wraps libvncclient, and has a char* pointer to a 3MB (or so) framebuffer. I've also got a QtRuby Qt::Image class that can, in theory, take a uchar* pointer to wrap an existing buffer
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<lupine> question: what's the sanest way to glue these things together? I'm not even sure the uchar* constructor makes it through the smoke bindings
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<lupine> sharing the pointer between the two extensions, in the same process, should be doable - just messy. I have visions of creating an FFI::NativePointer from the vnc C extension, exposing it and then somehow passing it down to the QtRuby constructor
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<_br_> csmrfx: ruby2ruby/parsetree/sourcify ftw maybe?
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<csmrfx> yeah its quite possible
<asteve> this is the worst error known to man: undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
<csmrfx> but if I want to type around, I write ocaml
<csmrfx> asteve: so, you got nil, not an array or hash (or string)
<asteve> right, but I have no idea as to why
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<csmrfx> read the line of code
<asteve> the line of code is this: instances = config['hosts'] if config['hosts'] && !config['hosts'].empty? which works when initializing the system; the error happens when tests begin to run
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<csmrfx> imo the problem is glaringly blindingly obvious
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<lupine> config is probably nil
<pewter_tao> when I hit a tgz file, I get "invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII" due to trying to open it in my recursive function.
<asteve> lupine: it is not
<lupine> you're not testing thqt it isn't
<canton7> asteve, p it. I bet it is :)
<pewter_tao> I'm recursing through a lot of files, and this is the only one which gives me problems
<csmrfx> lupine: config probably dont got [] method
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<lupine> we know whatever is raising is NilClass
<lupine> if what is raising is config, then config is nilk
<asteve> hmm
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<csmrfx> lupine is probably right
<asteve> that damn environment is probably the problem
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<lupine> solutions to my char* problem in return are welcome ^^
<csmrfx> open the damn, probably
<csmrfx> lupine: whats this, C?
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<csmrfx> *##C
<pewter_tao> can I make it only open the file if it's ascii?
<lupine> I@m writing a ruby C extension to do vnc
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<lupine> it's a ruby question, not a C one ^^
<csmrfx> lupine: so you dont have a example to copycat from?
<asteve> canton7: you were right, and I believed you but couldn't rationalize why until I realized the system was running with two environments, dev to initialize and then test to run the tests
<asteve> thanks for the help
<lupine> it's not a problem I've seen people trying to solve before
<bricker> who wants to play ruby golf with me
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<bricker> pieces = self.codename.split("_"); pieces.shift; key = pieces.join("_")
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<csmrfx> I've never written one
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<csmrfx> and I've never seen ruby with pointers
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<lupine> it's a matter of trying to avoid the conversion of the contents of the char* into a ruby string to merely become a char* for the other extension
<lupine> csmrfx, not evenb FFI::NativePointer?
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<foucist> variables are pointers aren't they? :P
<csmrfx> reference
<csmrfx> pointer
<csmrfx> cats, dogs
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<lupine> obviously, I could pass the pointer into ruby as an int, and then convert it back into a pointer when it's passed down again, but that strikes me as Even More Evil
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<csmrfx> Something about your questions didn't seem quite right
<csmrfx> anyway, ime there is no need to be a code-medium
<lupine> ?
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<rajkosto> FUCK YOU PRETENTIOUS FAGGOTS
<csmrfx> just find some code that does what you wanted
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<csmrfx> robotmay: WELL THANKS, RAGGOT
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<Alaude> Anyone knows is there a new syntax for lambda?
<[OES]> Hi Folks, Does anyone use rbenv for setting their local ruby environment?
<robotmay> csmrfx: What did I do? :O
<csmrfx> Alaude: define new
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<csmrfx> robotmay: your mistake was to bite the bullet from tab-autocomplete as the target dived out of the chan
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<robotmay> csmrfx: Hehe. People normally think I'm a bot and try commands on me, so it makes a change at least
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<csmrfx> robotmay: was directed at rajkosto
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<foucist> pewter_tao: you can check to make sure it's a text file by using the file command `file <file>`.match(/text/)
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<csmrfx> `file #{fn}`[/text/]
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<csmrfx> (assuming fn is filename string)
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<csmrfx> pewter_tao: didn't you see my paste last night
<csmrfx> already wrote all this
<pewter_tao> .match(open(f).readlines[0] << I've this, so I make it this? >> .match(/text/)(open(f).readlines[0]
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<pewter_tao> csmrfx: the paste that never worked?
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<pewter_tao> maybe you pasted something after I had gone offline... :(
<csmrfx> the paste You were supposed to complete as it was Your problem...
<csmrfx> ...but the final paste works fine
<pewter_tao> I would have tried to complete it if I saw it, sorry.
<csmrfx> np np
<csmrfx> to each their own 8)
<foucist> pewter_tao: you can't just add a match(/text/) that's just based on the output of the file command
<csmrfx> the world is full of noise
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<foucist> erm, i don't know what you have tho nm
<pewter_tao> foucist: yeah, not sure where to add it
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<csmrfx> not quite sure but this looks most recent http://pastie.org/5509057#3
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<pewter_tao> nice, didn't see that csmrfx
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<JohnTeddy> https://gist.github.com/4261717 ... why doesn't my ruby code pass rspec when I do rake? It is telling me the wrong amount of arguments.. I'm not sure why though.
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<csmrfx> I was trying to cram all that in a oneliner but couldn't make it work without an if
<canton7> JohnTeddy, you're passing a block to reverser, not an argument
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<canton7> try reverser("hello").should == 'olleh'
<pewter_tao> I get an EOF error with taht csmrfx
<canton7> I bet you forget to take out an end
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<pewter_tao> maybe because I changed dir * to dir **/*
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<canton7> oops, getting my nicks mixed up
<csmrfx> pewter_tao: yep, it doesn't include a test to see if the first readline actually isn't possible due to no line endings
<csmrfx> pewter_tao: thats the next step
<csmrfx> you might have a 2 meg photo and readline attempts a go at it and gets mad when no linefeed
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<csmrfx> "Mah EOF!!"
<csmrfx> (I think)
<pewter_tao> shouldn
<csmrfx> guess one would need to test for file size or line feeds
<pewter_tao> 't there always be line endings if we check for ascii first
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<JohnTeddy> canton7: I'm not supposed to change the rspec file. I'm only supposed to change the code I think.
<canton7> JohnBat26, then you need to learn what a block is and how to use one
<banisterfiend> JohnTeddy: at once*
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<banisterfiend> learn about it.........at once!
<JohnTeddy> canton7: I'm doing this exercise: https://github.com/alexch/learn_ruby/tree/master/05_silly_blocks
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<JohnTeddy> Search for 'ruby block'?
<canton7> ok, so you definitely need to learn about blocks
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<canton7> I don't know whether he gives you the information you need -- I haven't seen that tut before
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<csmrfx> well a minified js file for example could be 70kB of code on one line
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<JohnTeddy> Thanks havenn
<JohnTeddy> I'm going to read this page about ruby blocks.
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<csmrfx> pewter_tao: perhaps best would be ensure minimum length for the file, then taking up to longest possible rubypath's worth of chars or newline
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<pewter_tao> This didn't happen with my last script, though I'm not sure why
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<csmrfx> you didn't happen to have difficult files
<csmrfx> there are probably couple of other funny cases too
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<pewter_tao> well the other one would fail on certain non-ascii files (only tgz so far)
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<csmrfx> binary
<csmrfx> hence the test excluding binary
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<brendan`> hey all, im trying to uninstall passenger on a ubuntu 12.04 server, but when i do a gem uninstall i get a not found. when i do a gem -v passenger i get a version reply, and when i do gem list -d its not listed either. any idea where it could be hiding & how i could remove it?
<brendan`> doesn't appear to be under /root/.gem or /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1 for the installation dir
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<pewter_tao> Dir['**/*'].select {|fname| !File.directory? fname}.select { |f| /^#!\/.*\/ruby/.match(open(f).readlines[0]) || File.extname(f) == '.rb'}.select{ |f| puts `ruby -c #{f}`} >>> csmrfx, this doesn't give EOF errors, like yours, but I'm not sure why
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<havenn> brendan`: What do you get for?: echo $GEM_HOME
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<csmrfx> pewter_tao: probably because readlines[0] limits but readline[/match/] doesnt
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<csmrfx> lazing, guessing doing !!f.readline(0)[...] would work
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<csmrfx> hm, indeed it does
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<brendan`> havenn: its blank
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<csmrfx> such pain, had to read ri StringIO.readline
* csmrfx convulses paraxysmically
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<havenn> brendan`: How bout?: echo $GEM_ROOT
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<brendan`> negative
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<havenn> brendan`: I use chruby to set those: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby
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<brendan`> hang on
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<brendan`> havenn: isn't gem -v <gem_name> support to output the version of that specific gem?
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<havenn> brendan`: Maybe you mean?: gem list <gem_name> -d
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<havenn> brendan`: But no, gem -v checks RubyGems version number.
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<brendan`> yeah im finding that out
<brendan`> :/
<brendan`> no wonder i kept getting 1.8.24
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<brendan`> ty havenn
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<catphish> is there a better way to achieve this: loop {sleep SOME_LARGE_NUMBER}
<epwhorl> scheduling?
<apeiros_> where "this" is what?
<JohnTeddy> This https://gist.github.com/4261717 returns "LocalJumpError: no block given (yield)" ... I don't really understand why.
<apeiros_> sleep() maybe - but since you didn't really say what you want…
<catphish> sorry, that wasn't very clear, i simply want a thread to do nothing indefinitely
<apeiros_> sleep() indeed then.
<catphish> ideal, thanks :)
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<catphish> what were you expecting yield to do?
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<csmrfx> you are missing a block argument
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<cmceldowney> 1.8.7. vs. 1.9.3 ruby array printing question: I want to print an array in 1.8.7 the way that 1.9.3 does it... e.g. instead of just doing a no-space join of the array elements, I want to output it as a formatted string, just as you'd set the variable, like 1.9.3 does it. any advice on quickest way to handle this?
<lupine> you could Array#inspect ?
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<lupine> I'm not familiar offhand with 1.9.3's output
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<_nitti_> i'm sure there's some method on Array in 1.8.8 that'll do that
<_nitti_> 1.8.7 rather
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<cmceldowney> lupine: ["test","value"].to_s => "[\"test\", \"value\"]" in 1.9.3, vs. ["test","value"].to_s => "testvalue" in 1.8.7
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<cmceldowney> lupine: yes, inspect appears to do the trick! thanks muc!
<_nitti> yeah looks to me like Array#inspect is what you want
<_nitti> BLAST
<cmceldowney> lupine: and words consistently between the two versions. perfect solution!
<_nitti> I want you to know that I specifically installed 1.9.3 to figure this out for you.
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<heftig> cmceldowney: do you want to eval that string to get the array back?
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<cmceldowney> heftig: no, just looking to print it out in erubis template. Creating a client.rb for chef run and needed to print actual Ruby-readable variables, so inspect worked perfectly for my purposes.
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<lupine> #inspect is not a serialisation format ^^
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<catphish> if you use inspect for anything but debugging you're doing it wrong
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<catphish> consider json for everyone's sanity
<lupine> an array of strings wouldn't even look too different
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<igabreu> :smile:
<lupine> but when you start throwing time values in, for instance, sanity remains
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<the_jeebster> sinatra. is. awesome.
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<csmrfx> the_jeebster: why?
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<the_jeebster> csmrfx: just a barebones, no-frills web server
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<the_jeebster> so quick and easy to spinup for demos
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<catphish> it's not actually a web server, it's a framework
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<catphish> i believe it will run on any rack server
<catphish> and provides a quick way to build a simple app
<lupine> compared to what we used to use in place of sinatra, it's pretty damn featureful
<bean> also really quick and easy REST
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<lupine> (basically, mongrel with added crack)
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<csmrfx> the_jeebster: I thought sinatra was a app server framework or similar
<csmrfx> does sinatra work with ngingx
<csmrfx> that might be worth a pop
<lupine> it certainly can
<csmrfx> reverse proxied app?
* lupine reverse proxies, but there's no reason wny you can't hit up sinatra from passenger
<the_jeebster> csmrfx: yeah it is, just uses webrick in the background
<the_jeebster> but much lighter than rails
<lupine> ...
<csmrfx> *cough* webrick
<the_jeebster> hehe
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<the_jeebster> you can change that easily enough
<the_jeebster> just defaults in dev environment to webrick
<lupine> not.. exactly
<catphish> you can run it under passenger, unicorn, whatever
<csmrfx> I would probably have a ruby 'server' that manipulates filesystem which nginx serves
<csmrfx> as the 'simple' system
<lupine> ah, webdav?
<csmrfx> heh
<havenn> Sinatra is a Rack-based app, do put it behind a load balancer (nginx or apache usually) then a Rack web server (unicorn, puma, thin, rainbows!, or whatever) like any other Rack app.
<csmrfx> not really webdav
<JDubs> can anyone explain to me why this snippet is giving me an error: (100..999).map{ |range| (num*range).to_s == num*range.to_s.reverse}
<JDubs> String can't be coerced into Fixnum (TypeError)
* lupine has one sinatra app running as a servlet on jetty without a reverse proxyt in the way
<lupine> that's kind of fun
<csmrfx> JDubs: num*range
<csmrfx> what are those?
<JDubs> sorry forgot first line, (100..999).each do |num|
<the_jeebster> you're probably multiplying different objects
<havenn> I like unicorn with mri or puma with rbx. :)
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<csmrfx> lupine: does that mean jruby?
<lupine> aye
<lupine> you can run rack apps on most java http servers nowadays
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<the_jeebster> JDubs: post your code on pastie plz
<lupine> in theory, it'll run in thin+mri/yarv/rbx, but the tests don't all pass for various reasons
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<lupine> it's a multi-threaded beast of a thing
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<JDubs> Fixed the error :)
<csmrfx> kewl
<csmrfx> lupine: is it open source
<the_jeebster> http://mobiruby.org/
<the_jeebster> the power of mruby
<lupine> csmrfx, not really, no
<csmrfx> ok, yet another ios ruby
<lupine> it might be at some point, but we say that about a lot of stuff
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<the_jeebster> it's just an example
<the_jeebster> it's the fact that it's so lightweight, that it can be run in any environment
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<csmrfx> is the language implementation different from mri?
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<JDubs> What command would I want to use to multiply a number times an entire array and get an array of the products back?
<JDubs> inject?
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<lupine> collect probably
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<the_jeebster> csmrfx: don't think so, I think there are way less libraries included
<lupine> shame
<csmrfx> ah
<bean> JDubs: map
<csmrfx> the_jeebster: of course, it is just the core?
<bean> JDubs: ary = [12, 2, 3]; ary.map {|num| num * 2};
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<JDubs> Yay I did it with collect!!!
<JDubs> Enumerables are freaking AWESOME
<JDubs> I can't wait to have them in my memory better!
<JDubs> xD
<lupine> (collect/map are ther same thing)
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* bean just remembered that lupine
<JDubs> i just wrote a really short program to find palindromes from ranges!
<JDubs> xD
<JDubs> ruby is the best language xD
<the_jeebster> csmrfx: believe so. I haven't played it around with it too much, just saw that session at rubyconf
<bean> a lot of people where I work work in Scala / other FP stuff, so map / flatmap / apply / things like that are more in my head than "collect"
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<havenn> JDubs: Paste a Gist of your palindrome finder??
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<bean> thats nice and fast, JDubs
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<JDubs> bean: thanks!! I'm really having fun with Ruby!
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<bean> Good, it's a fun language, don't automatically assume that it's the best for all problems though ;)
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<JDubs> xD
<havenn> bean: Best for *most* problems. :O
<bean> haha
<JDubs> havenn: heck yeah
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<lupine> well, soime
<lupine> some*
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<csmrfx> nice tool for solving problems
<csmrfx> once solved, may need to rewrite elsewhere
<the_jeebster> JDubs: cool. now add support for word strings :)
<JDubs> the_jeebster: I'm on to my next eueler problem ;)
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<GlenK> hi. I tried as a normal user to do "gem install rails" but it told me I don't have permissions to write to /usr something or other. Do I need to install gems as root? or is there some way to do it to my regular home directory?
<bean> Project Euler is easily my favorite way to get back into ruby
<GlenK> bean: ruby koans is kinda cool
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<the_jeebster> never heard of this project euler
<JDubs> GlenK: just use sudo
<havenn> <3 Ruby Koans
<bean> GlenK: you can change your $GEM_HOME and gem_home (in ~/.gemrc)
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<the_jeebster> looks cool
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<lupine> or, you know, rbenv/rvm
<GlenK> thanks
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<havenn> GlenK: Or you can use a Ruby version switcher like Chruby to point all the ENVs at your system install: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby
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<JDubs> bean: project 5 is going to be hard I think :/
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<bean> JDubs: #5? I have that done in a few lines ;P
<catphish> people need to not complain about free software
<JDubs> what's the enumerable that returns true/false for the block?
<JDubs> instead of returning value
<catphish> any?
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<JDubs> ?
<lupine> also all?
<JDubs> what?
<lupine> #Enumerable#all?
<catphish> JDubs: maybe you didnt explain your question clearly enough
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<catphish> an enumerable itself doesn't have a block
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<JDubs> lets say something like this [1,2,3].whatever{ |num| num > 1} would return [false, true, true]
<catphish> and if it did, your block could return whatever you put in it
<bean> JDubs: actually, i have that one done in 1 line
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<JDubs> bean: i hate you
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<Divinite> 5seconds later...
<catphish> [1,2,3].whatever{ |num| num > 1} DOES return [false, true, true]
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<JDubs> catphish??
<csmrfx> iterator, JDubs
<catphish> sorry, each
<catphish> gah ignore me
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<catphish> you want map!
<catphish> map will simply produce a new array containing the output from each iteration of the block
<csmrfx> or perhaps method
<catphish> if your block returns true/false, map will put that in the array
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<csmrfx> yep
<JDubs> bean: can you really do it in one line???
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<JDubs> bean: can you share please?
<catphish> array.map{ |num| num > 1}
<bean> I mean, I feel bad sharing my answer, but if you really want it, sure.
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<JDubs> bean: The only idea I have for that one would be like 20 lines :(
<bean> (1..20).inject(1) {|result,n| result.lcm(n)}
<catphish> where's the challenge?
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<JDubs> what is lcm?
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<catphish> lowest common multiple
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<bean> JDubs: Returns the least common multiple (always positive). 0.lcm(x) and x.lcm(0) return zero
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<catphish> so it finds the lowest common multiple of all the numbers
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<catphish> by testing each one against the result of the previous comparison
<JDubs> hmmm
<bean> its a "clever" solution i'd say.
<JDubs> i think im going to need to study this for a few days to understand it :/
<JDubs> lol
<bean> Once i solve them I tend to play code golf
<JDubs> let me go look up inject...
<gbchaosmaster> JDubs: #inject is an alias for #reduce.
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<JDubs> i don't really know reduce very well...except that i can use it to add a whole array lol
<JDubs> reduce(:+) is the only usage i know so far
<catphish> inject passes the previous result into the next iteration
<gbchaosmaster> JDubs: Folds from the left with the block/method that you feed it.
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<bean> JDubs: i do recommend pulling out commonly used ideas into an "integer.rb" file. that monkey patches Integer
<csmrfx> how long to open a 100mb text file?
<bean> that way you can still do stuff like .factorial
<lupine> depends on your discs
<bean> or .sum_digits
<lupine> I'd suggest mmaping or each_line'ing it
<lupine> you don't really want the whole thing in memory at once, most of the time
<csmrfx> just a question of comparison between programming languages
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<lupine> I could draw you the graph without doing it
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<csmrfx> doing what?
<csmrfx> I can hardly go a day without doing it
* csmrfx rofl
<lupine> the test
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