10:17 <edrex> i would have to experiment and think some more to come up with constructive complaints, but those are the two that come to mind after a few days back in sway

10:17 <edrex> but maybe that's just because I've gotten used to i3's way. I can't remember how awesome and xmonad were in that regard.

10:17 <edrex> it seems weird to me that tags and outputs are completely orthogonal - i'm used to being able to send a tag to an output.

10:19 <edrex> just read recent backlog, seems related conversation was happening Wednesday

10:20 <edrex> maybe I should have a play with awesomewm to remember how it works. i probably have my XMonad.hs around somewhere too...

10:31 <ifreund> edrex: feedback on how to make the multiple output experience in river smoother would be most welcome, if you have specific suggestions feel free to open an issue to discuss them :)

10:32 <ifreund> looks like the matrix bridge crapped out and dropped some of your messages by the way, some of them I only received on IRC and some only on matrix :/

10:34 <ifreund> yeah you can make a passthrough mode in sway too: https://github.com/ifreund/dotfiles/blob/22907ed9e85b2a512060003513615a69e73b1324/config/sway/config#L198-L201

10:36 <ifreund> and emersion's recent wlroots work is mostly making the wlroots architecture/abstractions better so that we can have vulkan (and pixman) renderers

10:37 <ifreund> it also makes me very glad I decided to use wlroots so I don't have to do this work myself and get all the benefits :)

14:07 <florianjr> Hey guys, just a simple question I can't answer after some searching. How can I specify the order of my multiple monitors? They're working fine and I can move the windows etc. but I want the Order from left to right. Is there any possibility to achieve that?

14:08 <ifreund> florianjr: you may use a wlr-output-management client such as kanshi, wdisplays, wlr-randr, etc to configure the layout among other things

14:10 <ifreund> setting custom modes is blocked on the next wlroots release though

14:10 <florianjr> Thanks for your quick response! I'll try it :)

18:58 <leon-p> Hmm, I think it should be possible to set the xdg toplevel title of a nested river session using riverctl. I just used that wayland-over-the-network thing to "stream" my laptops river onto another computer running kwin. With that feature I could get rid of the status bar and place all that info into the titlebar.

19:21 <ifreund> leon-p: that would require wlroots support. Not sure if the feature would really be that useful either tbh

19:22 <ifreund> though it certainly sounds like a cool setup :D

19:33 <leon-p> there actually is wlroots support for that. I remember using that when I had my own compositor experiments about half a year ago. It was wl_{wl,x11}_output_set_title(output, "title"), AFAIK

19:33 <ifreund> oh you're right

19:36 <ifreund> I suppose we could expose an option to set this, but I don't see the feature getting much use unless remote wayland sessions become much more common

19:36 <ifreund> (also lots of other higher priority things to work on for me, but we already have opacity animations somehow so...)

19:37 <leon-p> yeah, we do indeed have animations :P

19:38 <leon-p> I might have a look at it later, although I am not sure how to best expose the option to the user.

19:38 <ifreund> just a river-options string per-output no?

19:45 <leon-p> yeah probably

21:14 <edrex> wow, i didn't know there was work on a pixman backend. That would be a SW only renderer right?

21:14 <ifreund> yes, but way faster than mesa's fallback software renderer