01:25 <arossdotme> how to make a wireless stereo pair of active speakers? i know how to do the amp and pwr supply but i dont know how to link the audio between the two speakers? bluetooh? i belive the blueshift company used bluetooth to for there pair of linked up portable super capacitor powered speakers but i dont know how? cus isnt there latency so the left/right channel would be out of sync of the master speaker that receives the audio input.

01:26 <arossdotme> ?

06:13 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: ((needs a bit of planning)) NFC about "web programming" but can't you use a generic function you call on hovering and on clicking, and simply define in that function what to do?

06:21 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-06-08 Wed 04:43:43] <pydsigner> Is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 16.04 to Devuan?

06:21 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-06-08 Wed 04:44:06] <furrywolf> unlikely. I'd suggest a full installation.

06:21 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-06-08 Wed 04:48:09] * pydsigner is so tired of systemd ruining life

10:49 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: that's the overall idea, yes. however, as so often, the devil is in the details :)

10:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and OT: did I already mention it in here today? **FSCK GMAIL!**

10:50 <wpwrak> like: what exactly should we hover over (and what not) ? what exactly should happen ? how do we solve corner cases and conflicts ? what about things that don't quite work as planned ? and so on

10:50 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/13002

10:50 <wpwrak> what my scripts do is address all these questions, and turn relatively human-friendly input into the corresponding web bureaucracy

10:52 <DocScrutinizer05> even gregkh@linuxfoundation.org

10:52 <DocScrutinizer05> :-O

10:53 <wpwrak> what did you try to send them ? information about your new penis enhancement herbs ? ;-)

10:53 <DocScrutinizer05> TZZ ;-P

10:56 <wpwrak> whoa ! 4.4 C outdoors. i think that's a record for this year

10:57 <pcercuei> sounds cold :x

10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> LKML

10:58 <DocScrutinizer05> USB

10:59 <wpwrak> yeah, winter is early and chilly this year. already may was unusually cold. 4 C at sunrise is about 5 C below the average minimum

10:59 <pcercuei> where are you located?

11:04 <wpwrak> i'm in buenos aires

11:04 <pcercuei> oh yeah

11:04 <pcercuei> you're the Lilo guy

11:04 <wpwrak> indeed :)

11:05 <DocScrutinizer05> how is LiLo linked to BUE now?

11:06 <pcercuei> DocScrutinizer05, all the remaining users of Lilo are living in Buenos Aires

11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> lol

11:06 <wpwrak> hey !

11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't know there were any at all

11:07 <DocScrutinizer05> which is sort of a pity

11:07 <wpwrak> there are always a few systems that just won't boot with grub

11:08 <DocScrutinizer05> even though wpwrak will deny

11:08 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, LiLo is/was a tad clumsy but pretty straight and reliable

11:09 <wpwrak> yup, worked pretty well for what it was designed for. did its job for well over 20 years, without requiring major changes

11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed

11:10 <wpwrak> now things are getting more difficult with uefi and such

11:10 <DocScrutinizer05> BLAERGH! UEFI

11:10 <wpwrak> and of course the fact that a lot is written in assembler isn't so great

11:11 <DocScrutinizer05> UEFI plus systemd: great way to *really* brick your hardware. irrecoverably

11:12 <DocScrutinizer05> of course - as usual - Poettering rejects all responsibility and denies this is any sort of a problem or flaw

11:13 <wpwrak> yes, sounds like a fun combination :)

11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui systemd always mounts the config/flash area of UEFI as a rw volume

11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> just because it *can*

11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody really knows why and by whom that's needed, exscept to nuke your "BIOS"

11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody knows why a sysop who *really* wants to access that stuff couldn't manually mount the volume before using any tools that mess with it

11:17 <wpwrak> is it exposed through systemd's cloud interface, too ? :)

11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm really not interested in investigating that detail

11:32 <kyak> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/43ls7j/no_post_after_rm_rf_systemd_uefi/

11:33 <kyak> what the hell.. DocScrutinizer05 - i thought you were kidding at first

11:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm never kidding about systemd-cancer

11:36 <wpwrak> no POST today, your UEFI's gone away ...

11:38 <DocScrutinizer05> those bonobos *really* implemented an easy self destruct method into systemd

11:39 <wpwrak> poor monkeys. now you're calling them evil.

11:39 <DocScrutinizer05> you could argue it's largely a terrible implementation flaw of UEFI itself, yet I think Poettering deserves to pay for every victim's new mainboard

11:45 <kyak> i suggest we mount every firmware as rw, not just UEFI. Good bye network card and graphics card :)

11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and the sysfs control nodes for Vcore to /tmp/havefun/*

11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> since it's fun to overclock, isn't it?

11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> DAMN! I hope Poettering never will read that

11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> any hint where to access LKML archives?

11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I get >>XSLT error or server overload; admin notified. The system should heal itself, please try again in a few minutes<<

11:52 <wpwrak> kyak: and don't forget to add cloud interface. with password-based login. add a hard 8 characters limit and store unsalted MD5 hashes. leak the account database from time to time. that should have all the bases covered ;-)

11:53 <wpwrak> (leak) after all, it's safe since you're only storing hashes. protected by good old and reliable MD5.

11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> aah https://www.mail-archive.com/

11:54 <wpwrak> is this where you can retrieve the backups the NSA made of your correspondence ? ;-)

11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ((new penis enhancement herbs)) https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg1162282.html

11:57 <wpwrak> definitely sounds like some geek porn. and i better don't ask what you guys are doing with the poor hens. at least no goats.

11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe

11:59 <kyak> wpwrak: by the way, here is Anelok killer :)

11:59 <kyak> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgeektimes.ru%2Fpost%2F276900%2F&edit-text=

11:59 <kyak> original is in Russian, sorry

12:00 <kyak> 5 buttons for 5 preset passwords. Acts as USB HID device

12:00 <kyak> most suggestions in comments is about adding LCD

12:01 <kyak> and some kind of joystick

12:01 <kyak> so you are on the right way

12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ARRRGH

12:14 <wpwrak> ah yes, this one is still missing in anelok: http://netdna.walyou.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2-2600_usb_classic_joystick.jpg

12:16 <wpwrak> "Forknul this code, drank it, ran to his board ... It worked!" always have a vodka before running your code ? ;-)

12:16 <wpwrak> and "forknul" so needs to become a real word

12:18 <wpwrak> the idea of building some yubikey-like device is pretty common. there've also been projects of this sort on hackaday. always the same concept: something usb-attached with a few buttons that will "type" some stored password.

12:19 <wpwrak> that's of course just as far as you can get before things get a bit more complicated. e.g., independent power supply.

12:19 <kyak> "forknul" is a real word! it means "forked"

12:20 <wpwrak> heh :)

12:22 <kyak> did you know that "zakommitil" is "commited"?

12:22 <kyak> russian language is easy

12:24 <kyak> "ya forknul cod i zakommitil v git repu" - doesn't even need translation :)

12:24 <wpwrak> and it's even more compact than the original :)

12:29 <kyak> i'm pretty sure there will be only one (practically used) language on Earth 150 years from now

12:30 <kyak> our chinese friends could disagree, but i was smart enough to make unverifiable statement :)

12:32 <wpwrak> hmm, not sure. i guess it depends how stratification develops. the "upper class" always had a common language (which changed over time, latin, french, english), so if everyone becomes "upper class", then yes. else, fragmentation may prove to be fairly persistent. plus, you now even get new separatist movements that seek to establish new divisions

12:53 <kyak> noone will even notice

12:54 <kyak> they will come to realize one day that they speak the same language

12:56 <wpwrak> whee, 4.4 C at 10 am. good that there's plenty of sunlight to warm everything but the air.

12:57 <kyak> 4.4, that's quite precise :)

12:57 <wpwrak> that's what a news site says :)

12:58 <kyak> and the wind is how many centimeters per second? :)

12:59 <wpwrak> meh. too lazy to look that up. though there's a great site for all the details, windguru.cz

13:00 <wpwrak> the fun bit there is, the better the rating they give for the weather, the nastier it typically is

13:03 <kyak> it's amazing how most of your links are to websites with design from 90s :)

13:08 <wpwrak> ;-))

13:43 <DocScrutinizer05> could somebody please help me out with rsync? I know I can pass parameters to rsync-ssh by e.g. "-e 'ssh -p 2234'" but how would I simulate a "sudo su -" after ssh login, so the remote sshd actually has root permissions for file access?

13:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess a -e 'ssh -p 2234 sudo su -' won't do?

13:44 <DocScrutinizer05> or a ssh -p 2234 sudo su - ssh, whatever

13:49 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: rsync -e "neo900 --ssh" :-)

13:50 <wpwrak> ah, sudo ... that's more then

13:50 <DocScrutinizer05> err what is neo900 here?

13:50 <DocScrutinizer05> IP?

13:51 <wpwrak> that script i use for ssh/scp. but after reading your complete question i see that this isn't the answer you're looking for, sorry.

13:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems the easiest is to temporarily allow root login by providing a pubkey on remote machine

13:51 <wpwrak> yup

13:51 <DocScrutinizer05> very annoying

13:52 <DocScrutinizer05> feels so noobish

13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm http://superuser.com/questions/430994/rsync-as-another-user-www-data/431009#431009

13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> >>sudo: sorry, you must have a tty to run sudo<<

14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> very encouraging: >>The road to mail-server-setup is paved with carcasses of system administrators; one hand still clinging to their keyboards and the other reaching out to the light at the end of this gloomy path.<<

14:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.shisaa.jp/postset/mailserver-1.html

15:14 <kyak> what are you trying to achieve in the first place?