01:45 <whitequark> kyak: I have recently learned that cars run entertainment and control systems on the same CPU because some shitbag can save a few dollars

01:45 <whitequark> I have also learned today that planes run these on the same network

01:46 <whitequark> I do not belive your claims that automotive has its shit together anymore

01:47 <wpwrak> maybe it's the less vital control systems. wiper temperature control and such :)

01:48 <whitequark> nah, ECU and everything

01:48 <whitequark> direct quote from a proud industry paper

01:48 <whitequark> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEUge2EUMAAOGZP.png

01:50 <wpwrak> "System resources for braking action required. Please terminate your turn in ''Angry Birds''."

02:22 <whitequark> (note: the plane thing still might turn out to be shit, though it is already clear it's not a low-effort hoax)

06:49 <kyak> whitequark: modern cars have 40+ ECUs, and many times engine/powertrain/entertainment systems are developed by completed different providers and integrated by OEM. Partitioning (both hardware and software) is a vital part of ISO 26262 and DO-178. You are probably right anyway that saving money becomes more important for some manufacturers

06:49 <kyak> some asshat may come up with a crazy idea to save some money

06:50 <kyak> what is that car you are talking about?

06:50 <kyak> i bet it has bumpers made of paper

10:59 <whitequark> hm

10:59 <whitequark> this is the OEM that does it: http://www.redbend.com/en

11:35 <kyak> how do you know they do it?

11:48 <whitequark> that's a quote from their paper

12:03 <kyak> interesting.. can you give a link?

12:05 <whitequark> http://embedded-computing.com/articles/virtualizations-impact-mobile-devices-the-iot/

12:05 <whitequark> that was the first thing I found googling "automotove virtualization", there are easily more

12:06 <whitequark> I'm told this is a new trend

12:08 <whitequark> I would honestly dismiss that as a particularly inane conspiracy theory if that wasn't written in an industry whitepaper

12:29 <kyak> i see.. it looks more like a "glance into the future"

12:31 <kyak> there is still a long way to go before it becomes possible (and permitted) in practice

12:32 <whitequark> they seem to imply it is already being shipped...

12:32 <whitequark> I mean, yes, that thought did cross my mind

12:32 <kyak> as far as i know, multicore processors are slowly making their way in automotive industry.. Processors are getting more powerful in general. The idea "why not to run more on the same embedded device" is therefore unavoidable

12:35 <kyak> embedded operating systems also need to catch up.. so it's a long way to go

12:36 <whitequark> you can't go further than 1999 or so because of emission controls

12:36 <whitequark> (I think?)

12:43 <larsc> another trend is putting the car diagnostics into the cloud

12:45 <kyak> whitequark: if your car is already in Russia, it can be whatever you like - even Euro-0 :) emission regulations apply to newly manufactured and imported cars

12:58 <viric> here two insurance companies offer discounts if you allow them to download all recorded digital data from your car

12:59 <viric> once a year I think

12:59 <viric> that includes the speed you used at highways, etc.

13:00 <viric> that's available for high-end cars

13:07 <kyak> also re-routes you took to your mistress :)

13:59 <viric> kyak: exactly

17:55 <whitequark> kyak: yeah I know that

17:55 <whitequark> but it would be boring to remain inside RU all the time

18:42 <kyak> if you mean that you won't be allowed into europe on such a vehicle, then my advice is not to bother about travelling to europe in your car anyway. Car rental is a better choice; most of the cost is not from rental, but from petrol

18:43 <whitequark> that defeats the point of having a car that doesn't have half of its brain in some cloud

18:43 <whitequark> but otherwise, yeah

18:44 <kyak> i went from berlin to munster one weekend, and i paid majority of money for petrol, not for rental =\

18:44 <whitequark> I don't /travel/ on a car, that's silly. planes and trains ftw

18:44 <whitequark> I do want one for work though

18:45 <kyak> do you mean, going to work?

18:45 <whitequark> no, using it for work. I have spent the last few months, and few weeks especially, manufacturing a vacuum chamber

18:45 <whitequark> and all contractors are invariably located in some industrial zone in the outskirts of Moscow

18:46 <whitequark> I have probably spent more in traffic jams on MKAD than all my previous life combined

18:46 <kyak> yeah, that can be bad

18:47 <kyak> what's you current car?

18:51 <whitequark> I don't have one

18:51 <whitequark> not even a license

18:51 <kyak> did you take taxi (you said MKAD)?

18:53 <kyak> anyway, don't bother about any of the modern middle-range cars being in cloud :) they are not yet

18:54 <whitequark> kyak: I did, but mostly it was in маршрутка

18:54 <whitequark> if you want to get from a metro station to a suburb, it invariably involves a few km over MKAD

18:55 <whitequark> the inner-city ones don't do that, of course, but I've been taking the suburban ones

18:55 <whitequark> like to Балашиха or something

18:58 <whitequark> right now in Балашиха, in fact, in the machine shop that does tumbling

18:59 <whitequark> Saturday, 22:00, the director of this shop is here, natch, doing some odd fuckery to a stuck bearing or something

19:00 <whitequark> it used to be a company that distributes machine equipment such as tumblers or hydraulic presses or something, but then sanctions came and he converted the machinery he had for demos to pay for itself instead

19:40 <kyak> Балашиха.. my home town for the last two years :)

19:42 <whitequark> ah huh. I'm at Лесной городок bus stop, or rather near it

19:45 <kyak> damn you should be going home :)

19:45 <whitequark> pffff not done here yet

19:47 <kyak> reading back, what's "tumbling"? and "tumbler"

19:47 <whitequark> a method of polishing by vibrating your workpiece in a large box of tumbling media

19:47 <whitequark> usually alumina or zinconia balls

19:48 <whitequark> well, more like... a method of surface finishing

19:48 <kyak> i kind of understand.. what's it in russian?

19:48 <kyak> полировка?

19:48 <whitequark> галтовка

19:48 <whitequark> doesn't help, does it

19:49 <kyak> sure does not. .that strange feeling when i don't know the word in russian as well :)

19:49 <whitequark> i did not know the russian term but the chief engineer slash executive of this shop knew the english one

19:50 <kyak> do you have all you need to do you want, anyway?

19:50 <whitequark> what do you mean?

19:51 <kyak> al you needed for the vacumm chamber

19:51 <whitequark> I have... most parts

19:51 <whitequark> I'm redesing one right now because the person I have contracted to weld it says the weld will fail after cycling

19:53 <kyak> you are doing some crazy shit.. i'm proud of you.. just saying :)

19:57 <kyak> whitequark: what's your plan for that vacuum chamber?

19:57 <kyak> what does it do? what can it do?

20:36 <whitequark> it's a universal kinda thing, not done for a particular process

20:36 <whitequark> I will do RIE and magnetron sputtering in it

20:37 <whitequark> also a vacuum induction oven

20:37 <whitequark> to melt metals you can't melt at atmospheric pressure

20:52 <whitequark> we,,ll, more like with atmospheric oxygen