11:42 <rjeffries> If Neo900 eventually sees teh light of day and can be ordered, there should be a reasonable niche market. This article [1, below] provides sobering information. Not saying Neo900 is total solution, but it's a start.

11:45 <rjeffries> [1] http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2437678 // The inmates are running the asylum. I fear our personal freedoms are forever gone. The USA now resembles what we once condemned as police state tactics in the former Soviet Union,GDR, Chine, North Korea the list goes on.

13:13 <whitequark> technical solutions to social problems, aka something that has not worked once in history

17:07 <wpwrak> whitequark: skynet thinks it's doing reasonably well :)

17:54 <viric> I agree

19:15 <pcercuei> larsc, so in which branch did you hide the devicetree commits?

19:15 <pcercuei> the jz-3.16 has a few dt-related patches, but nothing that adds dt support for the platform

19:25 <larsc> pcercuei: in my local jz-3.17 branch ;

19:26 <larsc> (that I did today)

19:26 <pcercuei> ok; does it work?

19:26 <larsc> maybe

19:26 <larsc> hadn't had the chance to test the dt stuff

19:28 <larsc> but the core changes are just http://pastebin.com/5WNKe1n8

19:46 <pcercuei> you could use "of_default_bus_match_table" instead of your of_ids struct

19:48 <larsc> ok

20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid rjeffries has a wrong idea about the Neo900 business model

20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> though Neo900 is targeted at such niche market as well, it will never be "ready to order" due to some very basic business and supply limitations. Either you preorder now or odds are you never will own one

20:56 <DocScrutinizer05> the mass market will get targeted by Neo900 successor, project name "Step2"

20:56 <DocScrutinizer05> well "mass"

21:06 <wpwrak> hmm, regarding rosetta: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2RMy1mIIAEU2Oi.jpg

21:06 <DocScrutinizer05> also "congress should deal with security vulnerabilities in contemporary cell networks, by means of laws" WTF??? as if those dudes had any clue

21:07 <DocScrutinizer05> congress men are those who print out the youtube video

21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> and then possibly come up with a law that outlaws youtube videos that cannot show moving pictures when printed on a sheet of paper

21:21 <wpwrak> that sounds very proactive. i think they wait until a problem is brought to their attention, then collect proposals for its solution, and finally choose that from the highest bidder.

21:25 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah prolly

21:42 <DocScrutinizer51> hah, just watching a guy here who obviosly has the right conclusion .) "wenn du obdachlosen geld gibts dann kauen sie sowieso nur billigen schnaps dafuer. Also gib ihnen lieber... gleich _guten_ schnaps"

21:43 <DocScrutinizer51> kaufen*

22:18 <wpwrak> where do i sign up for homelessness in .de ? :)

22:19 <wpwrak> but wait .. it still gets kinda cold there in winter, doesn't it ? well, with plenty of good schnapps it may be bearable ...

22:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141116_001.jpg

22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't wanna live like that

23:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and probably the fusel that the young guy is pouring in a cup for the old busted one isn't that great either

23:08 <wpwrak> hey, looks nice, soft, warm, sheltered from the elements

23:08 <wpwrak> maybe the interior design is a bit questionable, but with enough booze, one should be able to overlook such details

23:08 <wpwrak> besides, you promised _good_ schnapps, right ? :)

23:09 <wpwrak> actually, i should have started my comment with:

23:10 <wpwrak> ah, the classical posture of a roman nobleman laying down to enjoy the feast before the orgy ;-)

23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply "Burger King main railway station $anywhere-on-earth"

23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and meanwhile this guy and his friend are for sure not there anymore, since BC closes at 00:00 - in railway station of a 500k town, go figure!

23:17 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, BK, I always call it BC, can't help it

23:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL! zero-factor authentication: https://www.deutsche-bank.de/pfb/content/privatkunden/online-mobile-banking_phototan.html

23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E. there might be a private key on the phone app that decodes the PK-encrypted QR-code

23:22 <DocScrutinizer05> lose your phone and you're *completely* screwed

23:23 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Im Mobile-Banking (Smartphone und Tablet) brauchen Sie kein zweites Smartphone oder separates Lesegerät. Die „Meine Bank“-App und die „photoTAN“-App tauschen die erforderlichen Informationen direkt aus.<< amazing achievemrnt of modern IT engineering¡

23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E. all a thief needs is your phone

23:26 <DocScrutinizer05> quite convenient, no more hacking around with cover-keyboards or spycams on ATM and picking the CC. Just pick the smartphone

23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I just charged my phone prepaid by 30EUR, _that_ been a 12 digit "pin"

23:28 <DocScrutinizer05> for accessing your account with maybe 100k EUR on it, a thief needs just your phone and _maybe_ your account number and 5 digit pin

23:29 <DocScrutinizer05> or alternatively your CC and a 4 digit PIN

23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you see a pattern there? to me it seems PIN length is strongly depending on whether the assets protected by that PIN are property of the PIN issuer or property of the PIN issuer's customers

23:37 <whitequark> that's very typical

23:37 <whitequark> see also: debit and credit cards

23:51 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: i think you may have stumbled upon some profound truth about human nature. is there a nobel price in anthropology ? :)

23:51 <wpwrak> but "zero-factor" deserves some medals of its own :)

23:52 <wpwrak> one for brilliant marketing, one for idiotic marketing, and a third one for not understanding the least bit ;-)

23:53 <wpwrak> but i kinda wonder whether asking for the money would constitute at least a small fraction of a factor, or whether they would have to give it you without request to be truly zero-factor. truth in marketing is important :)