#pypy on 2017-08-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2017-07-05 11:38 cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/pypy/ ) | use cffi for calling C | "the modern world where network packets and compiler optimizations are effectively hostile"

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01:13 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-armhf-raspbian/builds/1392

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01:40 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-macosx-x86-64/builds/3233 [py3.5]

01:40 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/build-pypy-c-jit-linux-armel/builds/1885

02:04 <njs> heh, no need to go blaming python-dev in general for module __class__ assignment, that was my idea and patch :-). It is indeed ridiculous but all the alternatives are worse.

02:07 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/4857 [py3.5]

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02:10 <njs> (well, I guess you can blame python-dev for how special-case-y it is -- my original patch just removed the weird "heap type" restriction and made __class__ assignment work generally. But then someone noticed that this let you produce very weird results by setting (1).__class__ = ..., and there was a weird thread with people yelling that I was introducing security holes and stuff, Guido had to step in... this was the compromise.)

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02:12 <njs> mattip: I reviewed the numpy PR! sorry for being so slow.

02:15 <njs> btw, any idea what the schedule for pypy3 5.9 is looking like? I'm wondering how much of an issue it would be to drop 5.8 support...

02:29 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-32/builds/4157 [py3.5]

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03:07 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/5397 [py3.5]

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03:28 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/build-pypy-c-jit-linux-armhf-raspbian/builds/1641

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05:28 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-s390x/builds/645 [default]

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05:39 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-s390x/builds/680 [default]

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05:56 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/1511 [default]

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08:35 <fijal> mattip: woot about pandas!

08:35 <fijal> mattip: what's scipy and scikit learn status?

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08:38 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-32/builds/3101

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08:49 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 7655999bf67f /pypy/: Backed out changeset 3e38274ddd35 (fijal)

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09:12 <fijal> what a mess...

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09:44 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 367afaf4ad3a /: hg merge default Manual merges may go wrong

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09:56 <kenaan> cfbolz regalloc-playground 0600554dc7ef /: oops

09:57 <kenaan> cfbolz regalloc-playground 2e31b6e3f902 /rpython/jit/backend/llsupport/: improve allocation choice for coalesced variables

09:57 <kenaan> cfbolz regalloc-playground f19f3e988faf /rpython/jit/backend/llsupport/: cleanups

09:57 <kenaan> cfbolz regalloc-playground 7a0afd3f4cdd /rpython/jit/backend/llsupport/regalloc.py: rename argument

09:57 <kenaan> cfbolz regalloc-playground 52e02755ad6a /rpython/jit/backend/llsupport/test/test_regalloc.py: move tests for force_result_in_regs to their own class, since there are so many cases (and I am about ...

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12:40 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 bf0d9ddd4a6e /rpython/rlib/: (arigo, fijal climbing) Clean up rutf8.py

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12:50 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/2309

12:50 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 c9a84142d1e3 /pypy/: (fijal, arigo) Fix the gateway logic: we can now pass 'utf8' to get just a utf-8-encoded string

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12:55 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 86b689eb4f9f /: Fix

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13:03 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 d602bc94d49f /pypy/: Tweaks tweaks, test_unicodeobject starts to pass again

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13:14 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 2a8ae058f62e /pypy/objspace/std/unicodeobject.py: Tweak unicode.splitlines()

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13:20 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 07a16357501d /pypy/module/_codecs/interp_codecs.py: Fixes

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13:32 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/3326 [default]

13:32 <bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/3327 [py3.5]

13:36 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/3327 [py3.5]

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14:32 <arigato> wsat

14:34 <arigato> ok CPython 3.x does nonsense for unicode.split()

14:34 <arigato> sorry

14:34 <arigato> unicode.strip()

14:34 <gsnedders> does it do something like strip random control characters and all of GC Zs?

14:34 <arigato> x.strip(y) makes a bloom mask for y, but it doesn't help performance at all

14:36 <arigato> it's a bloom mask containing the chars in y

14:36 <arigato> so the possible answers are "probably yes" and "definitely no"

14:37 <arigato> but the algo must do "find the first char that is definitely not in y"

14:37 <arigato> so it cannot help

14:38 <arigato> because as long as the bloom filter says "probably yes", you need to check the slow way *anyway* to know if it's "definitely yes" or "actually no"

14:38 <cfbolz> arigato: but performance!

14:38 <arigato> meh

14:39 <arigato> you gain at most once if the bloom filter says "definitely no", and you had to spend time to build the bloom filter in the first place, so I say that relative performance is always worse

14:41 <arigato> you'd need an "anti-" bloom filter instead, in theory

14:42 <cfbolz> arigato: yep

14:43 <exarkun> you're missing the point though

14:44 <exarkun> someone had fun writing it.

14:44 <arigato> yup, even found in the logs that at least two persons had fun writing it and then fixing it.

14:45 <fijal> ... so the performance optimization that does not improve anything had bugs that need to be fixed

14:45 <fijal> wuhu!

14:47 <fijal> mattip: ping

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14:53 * gsnedders wonders what the best way of doing it is; probably beyond a certain number of characters in y you want something like a balanced binary tree to check

15:01 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 d4bde635e3a9 /: (fijal, arigo) General progress

15:01 <arigato> gsnedders: I think an anti-bloom filter would be good

15:05 <arigato> >>>> u'\x00'.translate({0: 50})

15:05 <arigato> Traceback (most recent call last):

15:05 <arigato> TypeError: character mapping must be in range(0x2b)

15:05 <arigato> File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>

15:05 <arigato> how? simple: first write "sys.maxunicode = 42"

15:06 <gsnedders> sys.maxunicode being writable is so much fun

15:06 <arigato> that's nonsense in unicode.translate, though

15:12 <arigato> next bug-to-bug compatibility with CPython 2.7:

15:12 <arigato> u'A'.translate({65: 66}) -> u'B'

15:12 <arigato> u'A'.translate({65: 66L}) -> TypeError

15:13 * exarkun cries a little

15:16 <arigato> ah meh

15:16 <arigato> CPython's error message:

15:16 <arigato> TypeError: character mapping must be in range(0x%lx)

15:16 <fijal> we were trying to find out what %lx is :)

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15:22 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 8e029544ca2f /pypy/objspace/std/unicodeobject.py: (fijal, arigo) Fix unicode.translate()

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15:25 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 bc374de6e273 /pypy/objspace/std/unicodeobject.py: (fijal, arigo) Tweaks

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15:38 <kenaan> arigo unicode-utf8 2cc3cf290fbf /pypy/: (fijal, arigo) Hack hack hack

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15:42 <idnar> arigato: yeah that error message occurs in several places, and in one of them somebody forgot to interpolate anything into it

15:42 <idnar> :(

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16:35 <nimaje> does somebody depend on that unicode.translate TypeError nonsense?

16:35 <mattip> fijal: hi

16:36 <mattip> fijal: about scipy, no idea, it seems much larger and diverse than just pandas/numpy/cython

16:40 <fijal> nimaje: I hope not

16:40 <fijal> mattip: ok

16:40 <kenaan> fijal unicode-utf8 d2735187e72f /rpython/rlib/: (arigo, fijal) implement fast skipping technique in RPython

16:40 <fijal> we seem to run parts of it and most of matplotlib right?

16:41 <mattip> matplot lib works without the gui backends, tk/tcl definitely is not supported

16:42 <mattip> last time I tried scipy it all seemed to run without crashing

16:42 <mattip> so it should be even better now

16:51 <nimaje> then why do you want to be bug-to-bug compatibility in that case? does the test suite test for that TypeError?

16:55 <arigato> nimaje: I'm just saying that, by accident, we reproduce the same TypeError than CPYthon

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16:56 <Puggy> Where are binaries (PyPy3) for Windows ?

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17:06 <arigato> Puggy: PyPy3 is not officially supported for Windows yet

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17:21 <Puggy> arigato: ggwp

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17:45 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-armhf-v7/builds/1255

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18:29 <mattip> here's my next incompatibility

18:29 <mattip> (slice(None, None, None) != slice(None, None), slice(None, None, None) != slice(None, None))

18:29 <mattip> on PyPy - (True, True)

18:30 <mattip> (slice(None, None, None) != slice(None, None), slice(None, None, None) == slice(None, None))

18:30 <mattip> still on PyPy - (True, True)

18:31 <mattip> on CPYthon (False, True)

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18:34 <LarstiQ> more cached "singletons"?

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19:06 <mattip> at least it is pure python, no cpyext needed

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19:39 <mattip> it seems like an unfortunate combination of

19:41 <mattip> - lack of __ne__ in W_SliceObject so comparison_impl() (in objspace/descroperation.py) delegates to _cmp()

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19:42 <mattip> - space.is_w(s1, s2) fails for the slices so _cmp uses the addresses in memory, which returns "yes they are different"

19:44 <mattip> hence slice(1,1,1) != slice(1,1,1) is True

19:47 <mattip> it seems both those should be fixed, slice should have a __ne__ and space.is_w(s1, s2) should return True

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19:56 <mattip> no, only the __ne__ is missing, "slice(1,1,1) is slice(1,1,1)" is correctly False

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20:04 <mattip> strange that no-one caught this before

20:08 <kenaan> mattip default 5a7118bbfee9 /pypy/objspace/std/: test, fix for missing __ne__ on slices

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21:53 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-armhf-raspbian/builds/1393

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22:23 <mattip> down to 19 failures with pandas, now discovering the deep incompatibilities

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22:24 <mattip> stuff like a = float('nan'); b = float('nan'); should a is b be true or false?

22:25 <mattip> or trying to use gc.collect() to break weakref cycles in determining whether a value is a copy or just a weakref

22:25 <mattip> and of course exception messages

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23:34 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6167 [default]

23:39 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/4858 [default]

23:50 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/5398 [default]

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