<anddam>
how does picolisp stand WRT the "interactive building" thing?
<anddam>
I would not know since I have not put in the time to actually tinker with it
<Regenaxer>
Hi anddam!
<Regenaxer>
In PicoLisp such things are trivial
<Regenaxer>
It is all s-expressions
<Regenaxer>
I have not read the above article though
<anddam>
nice reading, f or me at least
<anddam>
s/f or/for/
<Regenaxer>
ok :)
<Regenaxer>
But what exactly was your question about?
<Regenaxer>
interactive building
<beneroth>
anddam, PicoLisp classes don't store a reference to objects instanced from them by default. But as you can access all symbols in memory (and classes & objects in PicoLisp are based on the symbol data type), you could (filter) (all) to find all objects
<beneroth>
anddam, PicoLisp database objects have a method 'set> to change the class(es) of an object
<beneroth>
as PicoLisp is (on purpose) purely interpreted, it is always interactive and interactive building can be done at every moment to everything
<beneroth>
PicoLisp has 3 data types for values: number, symbol, list
<beneroth>
all other kinds of types are each based on one of these.
<beneroth>
functions are lists, objects are symbols.
<beneroth>
so you can edit a function like any other list
<beneroth>
anddam, answers this your question? there are no non-interactive parts in PicoLisp
<Regenaxer>
Good explanation beneroth :)
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, I understood his link was about common lisp having a feature that you can change the class of all objects of that class - meant for working interactively with the program vs. writing & rewriting code
<Regenaxer>
I read it as working like 'set' or 'set>', i.e. for a given object
<Regenaxer>
But I just took a short glance
<Regenaxer>
UPDATE-INSTANCE-FOR-REDEFINED-CLASS reinitializes an object when Lisp detects ...
<beneroth>
yeah same
<Regenaxer>
Function names like UPDATE-INSTANCE-FOR-REDEFINED-CLASS terrify me ;)
<Regenaxer>
If the point of the article is:
<Regenaxer>
The differentiating point is that the entire
<Regenaxer>
language and system is thoughtfully designed
<Regenaxer>
progress while it runs, and that you should be
<Regenaxer>
you're going to be changing your work in
<Regenaxer>
from the ground up with the assumption that
<Regenaxer>
able to change absolutely anything about it as
<Regenaxer>
it runs and have a reasonable expectation that
<Regenaxer>
it will continue to work while you do it.
<Regenaxer>
Then it all is the same in PicoLisp
<Regenaxer>
In PicoLisp it is true in addition that it also applies to the Database
<Regenaxer>
as it is integral part of the runtime system
<rick42>
it just dropped me, but i think it reconnected me too. this is all new to me. haha
<Regenaxer>
Hi Rick!
<rick42>
hi Regenaxer!
<rick42>
look like just me and beneroth in there. tried saying hello :)
<rick42>
i hope I can stay connected ...
<Regenaxer>
I'm preparing toi
<Regenaxer>
toi
<Regenaxer>
grr
<Regenaxer>
too
<rick42>
hehe
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<Regenaxer>
I start my screen share
<rick42>
beneroth: I heard you say "Hello everyone:" then you dropped
<beneroth>
yup
<beneroth>
clicked on leave >.<
<beneroth>
I'm back
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, (off *Sun)
<freemint>
Is someone having an ee on IRC, can't talk
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<freemint>
yes
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<freemint>
Regenaxer you app allows users to interact with a repl. Have considered at your infrastructer from an adversaries perspective/what can be done with an authenticated but stolen phone?
<freemint>
Regenaxer, if i am aware the server can only pool one DB at the time. How do you copy data between fifi and the server side replica of the user database?
<freemint>
Regenaxer is the UUOD an authentication token? If so how do you prevent guessing UUID, since the generation of UUID depend on time, which might make guessing it simpler
<freemint>
Do you run shared production/development environment? Has that caused problems?
<freemint>
beneroth, rick42 can one of you have an eye on the IRC chat from time to time? can't ask questions via voice rn.
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<Regenaxer>
freemint, ok?
<freemint>
yeah
<freemint>
Regenaxer Fireman coordination is critical infrastructure. It seems like you are mission critical and your role can't be replaced easily by another Picolisp programmer. What do you think about this reality?
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<freemint>
Are you able push an emergency update, if some bug was dicsovered and fixed during a mission without everyone having to wait for upto 2 hours?
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<freemint>
Regenaxer, will uninstalling the DB mean you need to redownload the database?
<freemint>
Oh, yes looks like it
<freemint>
Regenaxer, the user experience seems to have som rough edges (small dialogues, pictures shown way to big) Will you address those/have people with piir eyesight/little technology knowledge test them.
<freemint>
In mean in the app
<freemint>
Maybe even bigger than thatm you are wasing a lot of screen realestate
<freemint>
*wasting
<freemint>
No, i mean your buttons can be bigger
<freemint>
and not rounded, spanning the complete screen width in vertical mode. I iimagine when the app us used in the field bigger buttons are better.
<freemint>
I don't speak css ;-) It's just some feedback i have, not complaints
<Regenaxer>
Yes, good. Thanks!
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<freemint>
If we are in a post apocalyptic world i hope many phones have PilBox installed :-) It's so modable.
<freemint>
Do you have an offline picolisp documentation app?
<freemint>
I mean exactly that, do you a
<freemint>
Yeah but that's not an App. Looks very nerdy and unapproachable compared to reading it via browser
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<freemint>
I am quiet tied up with Julia.
<Regenaxer>
When will you marry?
<freemint>
(programming language)
<Regenaxer>
ah
<freemint>
For nummerical stuff
<freemint>
It's fine. It showed what pil can do
<freemint>
Basically a Lisp that hides under a MatLab like syntax and runs like Fortran.
<freemint>
Thanks
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<freemint>
The maling list is best.
<freemint>
Sorry
<freemint>
:-)
<freemint>
Regenaxer back in the old days you did weather simulation code, do i recall that correctly?
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<freemint>
Would you be interested in working on Open Source Climate code again?
<freemint>
ys climate
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<Regenaxer>
Hmm, in fact I'm getting a bit tired of that. Why make a PicoLisp conference if each time somebody takes over and won't stop advertising some other language?
<beneroth>
T
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<Nistur>
hmmm, am I misremembering, am I not able to pass an array of numbers (integers, specifically) to a native, or gcc'd function?
<Nistur>
eehhhh, I thought I'd already done this, but it looks like I've only ever passed strings
<beneroth>
afaik this is possible, but I'm not an native expert
<beneroth>
Nistur, look at the reference
<beneroth>
(N . 4) - array of longs
<Nistur>
yes, that's for returns
<beneroth>
so I guess (I . 4) - int[4]
<beneroth>
I see
<Nistur>
... it's always the C interop that trips me up. I don't set out to use C stuff... but I am looking to avoid rewriting every vaguely circular object to be a new form of wheel... I think with 5 small wrapper functions I have made most of the random software rendering lib work, and render to fbdev... it just doesn't load models. This is of course not ideal, as I then have nothing to render... so loading
<Nistur>
models, I need to give it large streams of numbers representing the vertices etc