<Regenaxer>
Sweden does not impose any limitations to social contacts yet?
<mtsd>
Not yet.. The only limit is public gatherings. No more than 500 people allowed
<Regenaxer>
Wow, 500. Here the max is 2 ;)
<mtsd>
I am working from home, due to recommendations from authorities. But nu strict limits as such. Schools still open too..
<Regenaxer>
Quite dangerous I think
<mtsd>
I don't know why, but the authorities here don't impose restrictions. It is as if they are still not taking it seriously..
<Regenaxer>
The problem is that nobody really knows how many people are infected
<mtsd>
They are also not testing people any longer. Only the ones admitted to hospital. So no way of knowing how many are getting sick
<Regenaxer>
T
<Regenaxer>
A big part even does not get sick, but still spreads
<mtsd>
I think the situation here is really dangerous. Things could go very bad very quickly this way.
<Regenaxer>
Sadly, yes
<mtsd>
I hope we will make it through this..
<aw->
hi Regenaxer mtsd
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-!
<mtsd>
Hi aw-!
<Regenaxer>
mtsd, we all hope
<mtsd>
I just wish the necessary restrictions would be enforced here.
<aw->
mtsd: just don't worry about govnt orders, just make sure you keep yourself safe and away from others for a little while
<Regenaxer>
aw-, the problem is not individual health
<Regenaxer>
the risk is low
<mtsd>
Well, we do what we can. Still legally obliged to send my oldest son to school, even in this situation..
<Regenaxer>
the problem is the health system
<mtsd>
Avoiding social contact is not so much of a problem for me. Typical introvert.. ;)
<Regenaxer>
me too :)
<Regenaxer>
But kids are very potential spreaders
<Regenaxer>
So this is really dangerous
<Regenaxer>
Most kids don't get sick, so nobody notices they are infected
<mtsd>
Yes, that seems to be the case
<mtsd>
And they still keep the schools open here..
<Regenaxer>
:(
<Regenaxer>
and *force* you to have them attend
<Regenaxer>
strange indeed
<mtsd>
Yes, that is the system here. Kids are obliged to go to school..
<mtsd>
If parents refuse, you get a fine..
<mtsd>
No option for home schooling
<Regenaxer>
You have to tell your son to be careful
<Regenaxer>
keep distance, wash hands etc at least
<mtsd>
I do. All the time..It feels like I am nagging about such things constantly
<Regenaxer>
:(
<beneroth>
hi
<Regenaxer>
Salami aleikum beneroth!
<beneroth>
xD
<beneroth>
Salami Regenaxer
<Regenaxer>
:)
<mtsd>
Hi beneroth!
<beneroth>
gov want to build herd immunity, so they hope most get infected without issues, and then back to normal more quickly. paying with some 10- or 100-thousands of deaths.
<beneroth>
problem is, the theory is most likely bullshit
<beneroth>
all they get is multiple virues from giving it enough spread and time to mutate
<beneroth>
the correct handling would have been heavy lockdown as early as possible, then test & isolate, then weaken the lockdown except for borders
<beneroth>
we will go there now, having the bad stuff of both worlds...
<beneroth>
western people just don't realize that China looked at that stuff for about 1-2 months, and decided it is the CHEAPEST way to go full heavy lockdown
<beneroth>
if there would be a cheaper way, China would certainly have taken it...
<beneroth>
western nations will pay a have price for their arrogance and ignorance. they became lazy and stupid.
<mtsd>
T
<Regenaxer>
right
<beneroth>
positive aspects:
<beneroth>
1) it can be demonstrated that heavy measures have an influence on pollution and clima, so maybe we will finally do a bit more about this after this crisis
<beneroth>
2) the crisis nicely shows which professions are really necessary (infrastructure), and which are bullshit (most of banking). maybe recognition of this will hold a bit (well lets hope)
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<beneroth>
3) as we are clever and hopefully not to unlucky, we can make PicoLisp standard programming language after the crisis, only language to get all the necessary stuff done with low dev resources ;-)
<beneroth>
(joke)
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<beneroth>
wb aw-
<Regenaxer>
Yess!! And the other really good thing is that CO2 output massively went down worldwide
<beneroth>
germany will probably hit its clima goals for 2022
<mtsd>
Jokes aside, beneroth, I think point 3 is very interesting
<mtsd>
Financial crisis could open things up for a thing like Pil.Low dev resources, and machine resources to get lots done
<mtsd>
Stable, expressive, complete.
<beneroth>
:)
<mtsd>
In my experience, the users are fine as long as they get things done. The hardest sell are mostly other programmers, and various IT- people.. :(
<beneroth>
aye
<beneroth>
and stupid managers deciding on hearsay & only to protect their arses
<mtsd>
Yes, very much so!
<mtsd>
I have been in so many, mind-numbing, discussions with that category..
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<m_mans>
Hi all!
<mtsd>
Hello m_mans!
<Regenaxer>
Di m_mans! How are you?
<m_mans>
Regenaxer: fine, thanks! I hope you too? :)
<Regenaxer>
yes, all right
<m_mans>
I'm at the office as usual
<m_mans>
Regenaxer: how pil21 is going?
<Regenaxer>
Proceeding well, but is a lot of work
<m_mans>
good
<Regenaxer>
I hope to finish bin/picolisp till summer or so
<m_mans>
wow
<Regenaxer>
without much testing though
<Regenaxer>
just to get it working
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<Nistur>
Hello all!
<Regenaxer>
Hi Nistur!
<Nistur>
Hello! Long time since I've been on here! Turns out #picolisp isn't in my irssi autojoin, so a server restart disconnected me and I haven't had time to do any lisping in ages
<Nistur>
how is everyone coping with the apocalypse?
<Regenaxer>
All still ok :)
<Nistur>
:)
<Regenaxer>
Are you still in UK?
<Nistur>
yup
<Nistur>
The reason I remembered to come on here was that I have a project I want to use Picolisp for :D Finally a real use case that makes sense, at least to me. A number of my game projects would benefit from a persistent online service, something like that which is provided by the likes of GameSparks, but, while it's free in development, I don't REALLY want to pay $299 per month if I actually release a game
<Nistur>
(as I'd expect the game to make roughly $0.50 probably) so I thought about rolling my own, more limited service... and as I would prefer to avoid JS, I immediately thought of Picolisp :P I've been re-learning what I forgot in the intervening year(s?) since I last lisped in anger, and looking at the web tutorials etc. I am probably missing something somewhere, and am prepared to get told to RTFM, but, I
<Nistur>
cannot figure out how I can read a file (PUT? I think?) (probably a json in case I want to make this friendly for other people to use) to make a REST interface. I saw aw has a REST project on github, but I didn't see any examples of this. IT's mentioned in the application development guide under charts, but only that it will be mentioned later
<Nistur>
I'm probably doing something stupid, and I will accept that :) But in my defense I have an 8 month old baby, and very little sleep :D
<aw->
Nistur: i have a REST API out in production for the last ~4 years now
<aw->
written in PicoLisp, open source
<aw->
but it's designed for a specific use-case, not sure how easy it is to customize for your own needs
<Nistur>
aw-: is that the one on github? Umm...aw/picolisp-api
<aw->
well that code is very similar to the jidoteki-admin-api code
<aw->
but picolisp-api is incomplete
<Nistur>
no worries, I'm meant to be working :P This picolisp stuff is for my personal project, which I can only really work on in the evening when MiniNisturette is asleep :P But I figured I'd ask so I'm prepared for tonight
<Nistur>
so yeah, no pressure :)
<aw->
i'm going to delete that repo to avoid confusing others
<beneroth>
o/ Nistur
<aw->
clone it now if you want
<Nistur>
sec then :P
<Nistur>
grabbed :P
<Nistur>
o/ beneroth
<Nistur>
Hmmmm, you seem to be using POST rather than PUT. To be quite honest, I have very little understanding about this bit at all. I just looked up the GameSparks docs and they were mostly using PUT.
<aw->
yes POST
<aw->
picolisp HTTP server doesn't implement PUT
<beneroth>
technically it makes no difference
<beneroth>
you can adapt for PUT if you need to
<aw->
yes you can try to modify http.l
<Regenaxer>
right
<aw->
or rewrite the request with Nginx or HAProxy
<beneroth>
only tricky part is really just file uploads / MIME format
<beneroth>
and DOS protection maybe, but just run it behind an nginx or so, and you should be good.
<aw->
oh yeah i made my own http.l but I didn't release it publicly yet
<aw->
was going to release at PilCon 2020
<beneroth>
same. I need to make a better version first :)
<beneroth>
the standard http.l from Regenaxer is good though
<Nistur>
I don't really mind what I use :P Right now I just want a proof of concept, so things like DOS protection are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line
<Nistur>
allI really want now is to be able to send and receive json :P