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<thusStyles>
Hi, anyone know if these two types are isomorphic, I think they're not but im unsure - bool -> bool and bool * bool
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<thusStyles>
anyone?
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<jbzza>
I understand that this is probably not the right place to ask this question, but how can I allocate more stack memory to a program?
<jbzza>
I tried changing the default Unix stack frame allocation, but it had not effect
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<jbzza>
Or is the actual stack being overflowed?
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<trap_exit>
is there any way to get a type signature that promises me "this function is pure and does not do any IO" ?
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<Bluddy>
trap_exit: no. ocaml always allows for side effects
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<trap_exit>
is there, by any chance, some superior language which would allow me to do this? :-)
<c74d>
trap_exit: I suppose Haskell, Idris, and… Eff? would be superior for that purpose.
<c74d>
Of those, I believe Eff is the closest to OCaml.
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<pharpend_>
Hi guys
<pharpend_>
In utop, is there an analog to ghci's :l and :r?
<pharpend_>
basically, load the functions in a file into the repl
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<hugomg>
pharpend_: might be #load "filename.ml" or #use "filename.ml"
<pharpend_>
okay
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<pharpend_>
my laptop is at 9% battery, so imma exit
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<whitequark>
jpdeplaix: once at the end
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<jpdeplaix>
whitequark: ok, good. Thanks
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<troydm>
anyone here responsible for llvm bindings for Ocaml ?
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<whitequark>
me
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<troydm>
whitequark: llvm_target.mli DataLayout module add_to_pass_manager function's comment says following: "[add_to_pass_manager dl pm] adds the target data [dl] to the pass manager [pm]."
<troydm>
whitequark: however the actual function signature takes passmanager as first argument and not the second as I've expected and as most pass related functions do
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<whitequark>
fixed in r220377, thanks
<troydm>
whitequark: I'm confused about this as I was following Kaleidoscope LLVM tutorial for OCaml and in Chapter 4 there is a line that adds data layout pass to pass manager which was not compiling so I started looking through code and found that function changed and Kaleidoscope tutorial was probably out of sync with actual code
<whitequark>
yes, the tutorial is out of sync.
<troydm>
whitequark: ohh, it was a bug, okey, cool, nice to know that I've contributed a slight bit to LLVM bindings for OCaml
<troydm>
whitequark: thx alot
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<whitequark>
oh god, fucking camomile also requires camlp4
<whitequark>
I *hoped* that I could develop in peace, but noooooo
<flux>
how dare they use the standard ocaml metaprogramming tool!
<whitequark>
more like, how dare they use a deprecated metaprogramming tool!
<whitequark>
it actually impairs my ability to do things right now, it's not just a philosophical obstacle
<Drup>
It will not be deprecated as long as debian is still with something <= 4.02.0
<flux>
which is still very new, doesn't really have a conversion path and has less features
<whitequark>
Drup: it *is* deprecated, or at least it works like it is deprecated
<whitequark>
it barely works on 4.02, no one cared to update it to use new syntax, and it doesn't work at all on 4.03
<companion_cube>
what does camomile use camlp4 for?
<whitequark>
I have no idea
<whitequark>
I hadn't even thought that it could use camlp4 for anything before I tried to install it just now
<nicoo>
whitequark: Actually, I know at least one intern who worked on Camomille 2-3 months ago
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<whitequark>
nicoo: well, the maintainer explicitly said that there will be no more releases
<whitequark>
this is not encouraging
<nicoo>
That's sad, the intern fixed bugs in Camomille :(
<Drup>
nicoo: are you sure he was not working on the other utf8 lib by the same author ?
<nicoo>
Sorry, brain fart : I confused Camomille and Coccinelle ><'
<nicoo>
Ignore everything I just said :þ
<Drup>
camomille is not going to be developed more because the main author decided to walk away from the monolithic approach followed by camomille, and decided to develop a set of small independent libraries. see https://github.com/yoriyuki/ucorelib
<Leonidas>
still dumping the responsibility of patching it on downstream maintainers kinda sucks.
<whitequark>
Drup: and decided to reinvent every library that dbuenzli wrote so far
<Drup>
whitequark: tbf, collaborating with dbuenzli is not easy, but yes
<whitequark>
I don't think he even tried.
<Drup>
I don't know.
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<troydm>
whitequark: quick question, where can I get latest source code for LLVM bindings for OCaml?
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<whitequark>
lol
<whitequark>
if a CSource: required in _oasis has a syntax error, the error is silently ignored
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<troydm>
Drup: ahh, ic, thx
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<hcarty>
opam 1.2rc4 wants to remove lots of packages and downgrade lots of others to update Lwt from 2.4.5 to 2.4.6. opam 1.1.1 on the same installation didn't have an issue with the upgrade. Any pointers on how to track down why this is happening?
<hcarty>
In the opam 1.2 case: === 1 to install | 40 to reinstall | 1 to upgrade | 19 to downgrade | 4 to remove ===
<hcarty>
Not quite what I was hoping for
<Drup>
hcarty: do you have aspcud ?
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<hcarty>
Drup: No. This is a CentOS 6 system so it's not pre-packaged that I know of. I haven't attempted to build from source yet.
<whitequark>
the key part is: [ERROR] ppx_tools does not define the variable enable.
<whitequark>
this is a problem with opam 1.1, basically
<whitequark>
instead of putting --disable-ppx, it just swallows it entirely, and the option defaults to --enable... so it breaks on 4.01.
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<jpdeplaix>
whitequark: so how should I fix it ?
<whitequark>
jpdeplaix: use opam 1.2
<whitequark>
alternatively, use lwt 2.4.5
<whitequark>
(I would prefer the former, it will be released to... really soon anyway)
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<jpdeplaix>
…
<jpdeplaix>
ok
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<Guest91783>
hello there
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<Guest91783>
I am trying hard to use the ctypes library (great work, I found it really intuitive!)
<Guest91783>
still I am having some problems: do you know how to call the stat syscall using ctypes?
<jerith>
I had a half-typed explanation about why ctypes is bad and you should use cffi instead, and then I noticed this is #ocaml and not #python. :-P
<Guest91783>
yeah XD
<jerith>
(I haven't used OCaml's ctypes, but it looks quite nice.)
<Guest91783>
I am actually using this to access the stat:
<Guest91783>
let stat = Foreign.foreign "stat" ~check_errno:true
<adrien>
I think glibc doesn't have a symbol "stat'"
<adrien>
try "__stat
<adrien>
try "__stat"
<adrien>
or use the stubs feature
<adrien>
(hint, it's going to be faster)
<none`>
you're a genius!
<adrien>
heh :)
<none`>
it was unix_stat
<adrien>
but use the stubs
<adrien>
I don't think "__stat" is going to be portable
<none`>
can you explain me the difference??
<adrien>
simple
<adrien>
from the glibc sources
<adrien>
/* This definition is only used if inlining fails for this function; see the last page of <sys/stat.h>. The real work is done by the `x' function which is passed a version number argument. We arrange in the
<adrien>
[...]
<adrien>
the code:
<adrien>
int
<adrien>
attribute_hidden
<adrien>
{ return __xstat (_STAT_VER, file, buf);
<adrien>
__stat (const char *file, struct stat *buf)
<adrien>
}
<adrien>
and in sys/stat.h
<adrien>
__extern_inline int
<adrien>
__NTH (stat (const char *__path, struct stat *__statbuf))
<adrien>
hmm, I don't know how the bindings would look like
<none`>
whitequark: thanks a lot!
<def`>
adrien: it's quite weird to rely on the stub just because stat is not provided as a function/symbol
<none`>
You all are saving time of my life: thanks!
<adrien>
def`: it's a syscall, you never know how it's provided
<adrien>
cf. "man vdso"
<def`>
adrien: c'est bien ce que je dis
<def`>
autant faire un vrai objet C à la main que d'espérer que ctypes n'y voit que du feu parce qu'il passe par des stubs
<adrien>
well, my point was that by using stubs, no matter who or what makes them, the libc headers would be used and would do their work
<adrien>
none`: also, you might want to look at otherlibs/unix/stat.c in the compiler sources
<adrien>
unfortunately you can't simply call the stat_aux() function defined in it (you need a copy in your code)
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<def`>
oops, I switched to french… I said that hoping that c-types will work as a side-effect of the compilation process is really fragile. If stat is not provided as a function, then should write a proper wrapper in C
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<ggole>
Sigh, short circuiting is a weak point of strict functional programming
<adrien>
exceptions?
<ggole>
They're useful, but not really very nice.
<adrien>
there's a bug report on making them better for this usecase
<adrien>
I don't know the current state however
<adrien>
(poke def` probably)
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<ggole>
I usually end up using a nested function as a loop
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<ggole>
In this case I'm looking to see if a particular element is there, carrying that through to the end: if its there once, I do something with it, if its there twice, something else (that's the short circuiting part)
<ggole>
So it's either two nested loops or a ref None which is set to Some x when I find the element, and then assert false in the impossible case at the end of the loop
<ggole>
Ugly as hell either way.
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<adrien>
fold + exception to exit early?
* adrien
should really write his release announcement
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<ggole>
Yeah, maybe
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<def`>
fold+exception yes
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<def`>
not elegant.... nothing better at the moment :o
<natrium1970>
I’m trying to play with some things in the Num library in the toplevel. I open Num, but when I try to do anything, I get “Reference to undefined global `Num`.
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<whitequark>
#require "num";;
<natrium1970>
Is that needed only in the toplevel or in compiled programs, too?
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<whitequark>
in compiled programs you'd use ocamlfind ocamlc -package num
<whitequark>
or package(num) in _tags if you're using ocamlbuild
<natrium1970>
Oh, okay.
<natrium1970>
Thanks.
<natrium1970>
#require “num”;; does not work.
<natrium1970>
Error: Unbound value require
<whitequark>
# is a part of the command in this case
<whitequark>
not an indication of prompt
<natrium1970>
Yeah, I try with and without.
<natrium1970>
In fact, none of the directives work!
<whitequark>
huh?
<natrium1970>
Even things like #list;; fail with “Unknown directory `list’
<natrium1970>
directive, thatis.
<whitequark>
did you invoke #use "topfind";;
<whitequark>
?
<natrium1970>
No.
<whitequark>
you should put it into ~/.ocamlfind
<whitequark>
and really, if you want the toplevel to be usable, install utop
<natrium1970>
I havebn’t had to deal with loading things like that before.
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<Drup>
you didn't used external libraries, then
<natrium1970>
No, we weren’t. We were just using the basics.
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<rand000>
Will reading of stdin always lead to the next printed string beginning on a new line? .. seems that way from the tests I've made
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.. fx 'print_string "foo"; flush stdout; IO.read stdin |> ignore; print_string "bar" ' will print 'foo' and 'bar' on separate lines